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- Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 3:31pm #52920
SpartanGloryParticipantMcDermott is a good college player, but going 10 overall in a stacked draft?? I’d take Payne (MSU), Saric (Croatia), or Gordon (Arizona) over him any day. I mean common, even the site compares him to Korver, who was the last pick in his draft! McDermott will be a good spot up shooter in the league but has very little potential to be good at anything else. A good shooter, leader, and future NBA player he is; lottery bound, he is not.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 3:50pm #854139
BlazermannParticipantHe’s a lot more then a spot up shooter , he cuts , posts up , pick and pop and korver not a good comparison
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 3:50pm #854243
BlazermannParticipantHe’s a lot more then a spot up shooter , he cuts , posts up , pick and pop and korver not a good comparison
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 3:54pm #854141
SpartanGloryParticipantYa, he does all that in college. Remember when Creighton played the more athletic UNC in the tournament last year? McDermott couldn’t get a good shot off inside all game. He’ll be a jump shooter in the NBA, and probably a good one, but he’s not posting up anybody next year.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 6:48am #854334
HobbyOGParticipantI agree with you, he’s a great college player and will be lucky to go in the first half of the draft. We heard the same hype about Adam Morrison and Jimmer, both good shooters who played in weak confrences. Where are they now?
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 6:48am #854232
HobbyOGParticipantI agree with you, he’s a great college player and will be lucky to go in the first half of the draft. We heard the same hype about Adam Morrison and Jimmer, both good shooters who played in weak confrences. Where are they now?
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- Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 3:54pm #854245
SpartanGloryParticipantYa, he does all that in college. Remember when Creighton played the more athletic UNC in the tournament last year? McDermott couldn’t get a good shot off inside all game. He’ll be a jump shooter in the NBA, and probably a good one, but he’s not posting up anybody next year.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 3:55pm #854143
Chilbert arenasParticipantWho is McDermott going to be able to defend at the next level? He’s better suited falling to a winning team where he doesn’t have as much pressure to contribute out the gate.
Also I want to bring up the fact the Willey Cauley-Stein went from top 10 in 2014 to 23rd in 2015 after one of his best games as a Wildcat, how does that make sense? Especially for athletic 7 footers with a motor.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 3:55pm #854247
Chilbert arenasParticipantWho is McDermott going to be able to defend at the next level? He’s better suited falling to a winning team where he doesn’t have as much pressure to contribute out the gate.
Also I want to bring up the fact the Willey Cauley-Stein went from top 10 in 2014 to 23rd in 2015 after one of his best games as a Wildcat, how does that make sense? Especially for athletic 7 footers with a motor.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 5:31pm #854149
RUDEBOY_ParticipantI’ve been a member of this Site since 2008 and i’ve learned that most of their rankings are based on how a player is currently performing…
No doubt McDermott has been tearing it up,but no way is he the 10th best prospect….I think there are at least 25 better prospects then him….I would take McGary ahead of him and Celeb Tarzewski,who is also in the new updated Mock…..Mitch has been dealing with back issues, while also trying to get use to a new backcourt…..But his energy,intangibles,size,work ethic and aggressiveness will land him somewhere in the 1st round,if he’s healthy…..
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 5:31pm #854253
RUDEBOY_ParticipantI’ve been a member of this Site since 2008 and i’ve learned that most of their rankings are based on how a player is currently performing…
No doubt McDermott has been tearing it up,but no way is he the 10th best prospect….I think there are at least 25 better prospects then him….I would take McGary ahead of him and Celeb Tarzewski,who is also in the new updated Mock…..Mitch has been dealing with back issues, while also trying to get use to a new backcourt…..But his energy,intangibles,size,work ethic and aggressiveness will land him somewhere in the 1st round,if he’s healthy…..
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 7:08pm #854167
ph90702Doug McDermott looks like Jim Bob Duggar.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 7:08pm #854271
ph90702Doug McDermott looks like Jim Bob Duggar.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 8:33pm #854280
ckelley015ParticipantSpartan glory: The comparison to Korver is how he will translate to the nba. Everybody knows they both have defensive deficiencies, but one thing they will be able to do is shoot…and at 6’7 the nba will always take shooters. Yes, korver was a late 2nd rd pick, but he is also one game away from breaking the NBA record for consecutive games with a 3 pointer and a career double digit scorer in his 10th year in the league. If the 2003 draft were redone I guarantee he is a top 20 pick, which is where I think doug should be. I also think his ability to get easy buckets by sealing, out working, and backdoor cuts will make him a better pro than korver.
also, the other reason he is at #10 is that when he and Marcus smart played at an open scrimmage for USA basketball, he not only fit in but stood out in the emvironment. Some in attendance thought he looked like a Ryan Anderson clone, and Andre Drummond was quoted as saying he "can shoot the SH|t out of the ball"
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 8:33pm #854177
ckelley015ParticipantSpartan glory: The comparison to Korver is how he will translate to the nba. Everybody knows they both have defensive deficiencies, but one thing they will be able to do is shoot…and at 6’7 the nba will always take shooters. Yes, korver was a late 2nd rd pick, but he is also one game away from breaking the NBA record for consecutive games with a 3 pointer and a career double digit scorer in his 10th year in the league. If the 2003 draft were redone I guarantee he is a top 20 pick, which is where I think doug should be. I also think his ability to get easy buckets by sealing, out working, and backdoor cuts will make him a better pro than korver.
also, the other reason he is at #10 is that when he and Marcus smart played at an open scrimmage for USA basketball, he not only fit in but stood out in the emvironment. Some in attendance thought he looked like a Ryan Anderson clone, and Andre Drummond was quoted as saying he "can shoot the SH|t out of the ball"
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:32am #854371
Darth DivacParticipantKorver is actually pretty decent defensively.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 10:32am #854268
Darth DivacParticipantKorver is actually pretty decent defensively.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 9:35pm #854370
King CaluchaParticipantI find it a bit racist when people label white players as soft or bad defenders.
I think Korver is pretty decent defensively too. Otherwise he wouldn’t been given starting minutes for a number of seasons.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 9:35pm #854474
King CaluchaParticipantI find it a bit racist when people label white players as soft or bad defenders.
I think Korver is pretty decent defensively too. Otherwise he wouldn’t been given starting minutes for a number of seasons.
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- Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 8:44pm #854282
ckelley015ParticipantForgot to mention, In my opinion he should be taken from 15-25, there’s too much talent in this draft to be at 10. But like chilbert said, the fit is huge with McDermott. Give him space with a good passing PG/point forward and he’ll out score his defensive problems
0 - Posted on: Tue, 12/03/2013 - 8:44pm #854180
ckelley015ParticipantForgot to mention, In my opinion he should be taken from 15-25, there’s too much talent in this draft to be at 10. But like chilbert said, the fit is huge with McDermott. Give him space with a good passing PG/point forward and he’ll out score his defensive problems
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 1:52am #854296
PlatypusParticipantI would compare him to more of an old school player like Kiki Vandeweghe
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 1:52am #854194
PlatypusParticipantI would compare him to more of an old school player like Kiki Vandeweghe
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 4:11am #854310
Jester87ParticipantKorver went 51 in 2003, not 60, but was definitely a steal. He is a legit starter in the Nba, has enjoyed a 10 year career and 3 point shot is getting more and more important in the Nba. That kind of shooter wouldn’t fall that much in the draft these days. Also before the injury he was playing the best basketball of his career in a decent team. Nonetheless, the comparison with Korver ends with both of them being great shooters and Creighton alumni and I think with the 10th pick he will be a reach. McDermott plays mostly as a 4 right now, and spends a lot of time close to the basket, playing in the low post, cutting. He gets a good part of his production from unorthodox close to the basket points. I hardly think this is going to translate, so while he’s more than just a shooter (he also has good moves facing the basket against PFs, he uses fakes really well, he has a good fade away etc etc), what he’s going to bring in the Nba it’s his jumper. Obviously if he’ll play SF he can post up smaller wings from time to time, but I don’t think it will make a big part of his game. Korver in college was already playing as a 3, and sometimes he also had to handle to ball quite a bit. Also Korver is better defender than given credit.
Right now the biggest concern for McDermott is that he’s basically never played as a 3 and he’s too small to play at 4. I don’t see the ball handling to be more than a spot up shooter as a 3 and unfortunately, while he might be as good as Korver in spot up situations and close to Korver in hand off situations, he hasn’t proven he’s that good coming out off screens. Korver is one of the best players in the Nba moving off the ball on the perimeter and working on screens. A large part of Hawks offense is made of sets in which they try to get Korver open running through screens. McDermott has to work a lot on his footwork and off the ball game to expand his game. If he’s able to become a good off the screen option and work on his defense awareness and team defense fundamentals (rotations timing, positioning, comunication etc etc), he has a chance to be a future starter and solid Nba-er. If he doesn’t, I still think he has a chance to be a Nba player, but his only niche will be as a spot up shooter and whoever picks him has to hide him on D.
The best comparison I can think of, right now, it’s Jared Dudley. I know it’s not perfect, but I find similarities: Dudley was mainly a post player in his early years in college, but he has developed his jumper and has been able to translate in the Nba as a shooter, though he’s not athletic and he’s not much of a threat off the dribble. McDermott has always had the jumper and he’s never been a true post player, so the transition could be easier for him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 4:11am #854208
Jester87ParticipantKorver went 51 in 2003, not 60, but was definitely a steal. He is a legit starter in the Nba, has enjoyed a 10 year career and 3 point shot is getting more and more important in the Nba. That kind of shooter wouldn’t fall that much in the draft these days. Also before the injury he was playing the best basketball of his career in a decent team. Nonetheless, the comparison with Korver ends with both of them being great shooters and Creighton alumni and I think with the 10th pick he will be a reach. McDermott plays mostly as a 4 right now, and spends a lot of time close to the basket, playing in the low post, cutting. He gets a good part of his production from unorthodox close to the basket points. I hardly think this is going to translate, so while he’s more than just a shooter (he also has good moves facing the basket against PFs, he uses fakes really well, he has a good fade away etc etc), what he’s going to bring in the Nba it’s his jumper. Obviously if he’ll play SF he can post up smaller wings from time to time, but I don’t think it will make a big part of his game. Korver in college was already playing as a 3, and sometimes he also had to handle to ball quite a bit. Also Korver is better defender than given credit.
Right now the biggest concern for McDermott is that he’s basically never played as a 3 and he’s too small to play at 4. I don’t see the ball handling to be more than a spot up shooter as a 3 and unfortunately, while he might be as good as Korver in spot up situations and close to Korver in hand off situations, he hasn’t proven he’s that good coming out off screens. Korver is one of the best players in the Nba moving off the ball on the perimeter and working on screens. A large part of Hawks offense is made of sets in which they try to get Korver open running through screens. McDermott has to work a lot on his footwork and off the ball game to expand his game. If he’s able to become a good off the screen option and work on his defense awareness and team defense fundamentals (rotations timing, positioning, comunication etc etc), he has a chance to be a future starter and solid Nba-er. If he doesn’t, I still think he has a chance to be a Nba player, but his only niche will be as a spot up shooter and whoever picks him has to hide him on D.
The best comparison I can think of, right now, it’s Jared Dudley. I know it’s not perfect, but I find similarities: Dudley was mainly a post player in his early years in college, but he has developed his jumper and has been able to translate in the Nba as a shooter, though he’s not athletic and he’s not much of a threat off the dribble. McDermott has always had the jumper and he’s never been a true post player, so the transition could be easier for him.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 5:48am #854316
Andrew1984ParticipantWe all know he’s not going No. 10. The best-case scenario is that he’ll be a shorter Ryan Anderson, the worst-case scenario is that he’ll be a Luke Harangody. Probably somewhere in between. I’d bet on him going somewhere between 16 and 24.
Kiki V. was thinner and more athletic. He had more of a Tom Chambers type of game. They could both put the ball on the floor a little bit. I don’t see McDermott attacking the basket in the NBA at all.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 5:48am #854214
Andrew1984ParticipantWe all know he’s not going No. 10. The best-case scenario is that he’ll be a shorter Ryan Anderson, the worst-case scenario is that he’ll be a Luke Harangody. Probably somewhere in between. I’d bet on him going somewhere between 16 and 24.
Kiki V. was thinner and more athletic. He had more of a Tom Chambers type of game. They could both put the ball on the floor a little bit. I don’t see McDermott attacking the basket in the NBA at all.
0- Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 6:19am #854330
Jester87ParticipantI’ve seen the Harangody comparison quite frequently, but honestly I don’t think it’s accurate at all, if not (as a worst case scenario) to mention a great scorer in college whose skills didn’t translate. But Harangody never had McDermott’s range and accuracy on his jump shot. McDermott has an elite level skill and this is something that usually helps finding a niche in the Nba. If he doesn’t turn out to be too much of a liability on D he will be at the very least a good shooting specialist off the bench.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 12/04/2013 - 6:19am #854228
Jester87ParticipantI’ve seen the Harangody comparison quite frequently, but honestly I don’t think it’s accurate at all, if not (as a worst case scenario) to mention a great scorer in college whose skills didn’t translate. But Harangody never had McDermott’s range and accuracy on his jump shot. McDermott has an elite level skill and this is something that usually helps finding a niche in the Nba. If he doesn’t turn out to be too much of a liability on D he will be at the very least a good shooting specialist off the bench.
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- Posted on: Tue, 02/18/2014 - 3:34pm #872805
runBruceParticipantyea #10 is high
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/18/2014 - 3:34pm #872911
runBruceParticipantyea #10 is high
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