Kyrie Ivring's peak = prime Arenas?

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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 1:55am #45752

RonnyYz
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Does anyone else see Irving in the Gilbert Arenas mold? They are practically the same player. Quick, penetrating guards who can score in bunches and great in the clutch. Both are “point guards” who look to get theirs moreso than set up teammates. Not very good defensively.
The only difference is that Irving has higher bball IQ, better shot selection.
In ’05-’06, Arenas put up 30-6-4 on 45%. That seems like it would be a peak season for Kyrie (on higher fg%), no?
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 3:00am #739593

For_Never_Ever
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Kryie has way better handles too. Gilbert ball handling ability weren’t that great for a pg.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 3:30am #739597

goodsonthe
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You must only look at stats… Actually watch a Cavs game…. Kyrie makes GREAT passes often but MAN a lot of them have stone hands or don’t finish well. Zeller and Thompson especially. They might get their own miss and stick it back but I’m telling you that Kyrie makes plays. I’d be surprised if CP3 could average 9ast on that Cavs team honestly. Just watch a few Cavs games.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 3:56am #739599

For_Never_Ever
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Gilbert handles were solid, but not elite like CP3, Rondo, Rose, Nash, Kyrie and so on.
Gilbert Arenas had a physical advantage on the majority of the pg’s being near 6’5 with a very long wingspan. He was also a pretty good athlete with quickness. The shooting ability he had was deadly. So defenders had to play extremely tight giving him the drive because he wasn’t shy about taking a shot.
Kyrie shot seletion and passing skills are good. I just think his team really suks. So he has to take it upon himself to win because if he doesn’t the Cavs are going to lose every single game.
Gilbert on the other hand had a great team around him, but only cared about himself and loved having shoot outs. He didn’t like playing defense too. I remember Caron Butler/Daniels would guard the pg’s a lot for Gilbert to roam around and save his energy for offense.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 4:06am #739605

ballaj334
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Kyrie struggles with court vision in regards to him making “great passes” I’ve watched nearly every game of his career and passingis by no means a “great” trait of his
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- Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 4:15am #739608
  
  For_Never_Ever
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  You’re likely spot on right about that. I do believe he is a willing and good passer, but isn’t great.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 4:29am #739612

ballaj334
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No doubt kyrie is a willing passer just not great, arenas was neither great or a willing passer ha
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 4:45am #739617

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With the exception of shooting, isn’t Kyrie Irving just as good right now as Gilbert Arenas was in his prime?
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- Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 5:03am #739619
  
  For_Never_Ever
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  No, prime Arenas was pretty unstoppable regardless who was guarding him.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 5:52am #739622
    
    Wetalkinboutpractice
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    Facts. Enough said.
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  - Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 10:53am #739703
    
    220
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    2005-06 Season Gilbert Arenas averaged 29.3 ppg, 6.1 apg, 3.5 rpg, 2 spg, and 3.71 turnovers per game
    2012-13 season so far Kyrie Irving averaged 23.3 ppg, 5.6 apg, 3.6 rpg, 1.8 spg, and 3.7 turnovers per game
    The point I was trying to make is at least statistically they aren’t having very different years this season. Gilbert Arenas in my opinion could score on anyone because he had range from beyond the 3 point line. Having such range put defenders in a tough position, they could either defend the shot or the drive and Arenas exploited that splendidly. Also Arenas was on a much better team that year than Kyrie Irving has this year.
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    - Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 2:47pm #739752
      
      Mr. 19134
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      6 points per game is a pretty significant difference and Arenas did that on a better team surrounded by 2 other 20 point per game scorers.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 6:06am #739624

akhan786
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Kyrie was sick last night btw…he does moves I’ve never seen before. My favorites was that spin move and also the one where he breaks Lillard’s ankles.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 6:18am #739625

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you didnt miss by much…People need to realize that Irving will put double digit assits…He’s will be one of the best scoring pg’s in L.He could maybe put 29,8,5 season in his prime
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 6:27am #739630

Reeko
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to Kyrie who has the potential to be All NBA 1st team one day. As good and as unstoppable as Gil was in his “Hibachi” prime, he wasn’t on Irving’s level.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 7:09am #739650

For_Never_Ever
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It is not a slap to Kyrie. The question is right now. Kyrie is just starting his career and put up against Gilbert prime years. Agent Zero I’ve seen guarded by Artest, Kobe, Wade, Deron, he dropped 40 plus on all them.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 7:55am #739666

kingofbums
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hes more AI than Agent Zero to me…Not the AI in philly but the AI in denver who will become one of the top scorers in our league in a year or two (top 3) but as a better teammate than AI ever was lmao
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 8:24am #739675

IndianaBasketball
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I don’t really see the comparison.
On another note though, Kyrie Irving’s fans always seem to get a little sensitive when people question his “pure” point guard label. I’ve noticed that he’s not really a distributor. That’s not to say he can’t pass the ball. It’s just that he’s more closer to a Derrick Rose or Tony Parker mold than a Chris Paul or Rajon Rondo. Regardless, he’s headed towards being a superstar.
Back to the topic… I don’t see the comparison with Gilbert Arenas. Arenas was a big, strong and athletic combo guard. He didn’t have great handles, but he had very good handles and a quick first step. People seem to forget that Arenas was getting to the free-throw line 8-10 times per game during his prime.
Arenas had more range as a shooter, but I’d give Irving the edge as an overall shooter. Not to mention, he has better shot selection and is a more efficient player.
Irving has better instincts playing point guard. I think Irving is more equipped to still be a top end player even if he suffered a knee injury, while Arenas’ career went down the drain after his knee injury.
Overall, I don’t think the two players even compare. Two different players. Irving obviously isn’t better than a prime Arenas right now, but he will be very soon.
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 8:26am #739677

Bird_Years
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I really hope Dion Waiters pans out so that this team has a chance at becoming a contender. 82 games a year of Kyrie Irving isn’t enough
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- Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 1:30pm #739741
  
  olih9
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  Dion is one of my favourite rookies, he just need to get more consistent, i know he has the talent and hopefully he can improve because they can be deadly together
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Posted on: Thu, 01/17/2013 - 9:17am #739685

BigChamp12
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Kyrie Irving is a bonafide SUPERSTAR in the making. HE will be for a long long time. He has it all. Clutchness, Skillset, Attitude, and Big N*ts!
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