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  • #25085
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    cuseflynn10
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    Knight                  Irving

    17.3 Points           17.1 Points

    3.8 Assists            5.1 Assists

    3.8 Rebounds       3.8 Rebounds

    41% From 3         45% From 3

    3.2 Turnovers       2.8 Turnovers

    45% FG               52% FG

    76% FT               90% FT

    19 Games            8 Games

    Very similar numbers to Kyrie Irving before he went down and yet he isn’t in the 2011 mock draft. Why is this? Kyrie is 1 assist, .5 a turnover and slightly more consistent shooter (FT’s by 14 though). Kyrie did this in 8 games and is projected 2nd off of 8 games. His numbers could have gone down for all we know if he played 11 more games like Knight. I’m not saying Knight is better, I’m just wondering why he’s not a top 10 pick at this point in what appears to be a weak draft at the top (no clear #1).

    PS I’m not even a big fan of Kentucky.

     

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  • #477740
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    chunkymonkey
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     Its more than just stats.  I mean, there’s a reason scouts actually go to the game.  If you watch them both play, there’s really no contest between ability levels.  I might be a little biased, saw Irving play a bunch of times in hs, but Irving was the best player on the best team in the nation.  Knight looks like just another guy who plays for Kentucky.

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  • #477745
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    Kid Kyrie is one of my favorite players and I think he has Cp3 like potential but I think he’s going to have a tough time adjusting to the pro game, Brandon has range and has been a scorer his whole life, he’ll have a great pro career, scouts make mistakes and them doubting Knight as a player is a big mistake….

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  • #477753
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    StF616
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     Honestly, i just dont see it in Kyrie Irving, the ability to be chris paul. I just dont see it. Hes a very good point guard, but i dont know, i dont know i just dont see it in him. I hope he proves me wrong though

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  • #477756
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    ilike.panochas
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    So basically everyone is labeling Kyrie as a “can’t miss prospect”? He’s already showing durability issues so I don’t know why everyone is so certain that he will be as good as CP3 or even close to being like him. 8 good college games for Kyrie and he has already secured himself as a top 2-3 pick. Give me a break. Knight has just as much upside as Kyrie does.

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  • #477757
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    Johnny Kilroy
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    Does Knight make the players around him better? I say no- I do think Kyrie makes everyone around him better and the Plumlees’s sure wish he wouldn’t have got hurt!

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  • #477763
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    chunkymonkey
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     Wait, one injury and Kyrie has durability issues.  So then, I guess MJ was injury prone and Wade cant stay on the court because of all those games he missed in 06 and 07.  Upside is a hard thing to quantify, why would u give the edge in it to Knight? Also, your pic kind of annoys me.  I read your post and felt like Eva Longoria was lecturing me on college basketball. 

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  • #477765
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    ShekiruBoom
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    thats eva mendez boy anyways I agree. At one point Kyrie Irving was the best player on the best and the most talented team that counts for a lot more than what Brandon Knight has done as the 2nd best player on a team clearly not on the same stage as Duke. I don’t really know if this makes sense since I’m kinda buzzed

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  • #477767
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    The Scare Crow Returns
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    And Kyrie is not a can’t miss pick, he can very well be a bust…I actually think he’s a boom or bust type prospect, Knight could go either way too…Im not at all on board with this point guard bias and now that Knight is a slightly better scorer than play maker he’s falling out of favor with scouts…I find it funny and I’ll bet my hard earned money Brandon Knight has a equal or greater career than Irving…I feel like as much as Kyrie has talent , there are a lot of people overhyping him and it spells for a bad result…

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  • #477771
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    He just got benched for being the most selfish player in college basketball…read Cal’s lips…he calls him a selfish son of a fish…then proceeds to curse him out the entire time out…Knight and Lamb are the best players for KU…Brandon is in the shadows of Rose, Evans and Wall but he hasn’t at all tried over stepping his boundaries and doing to much, in fact he’s going to be giving the chance to do a lot more…Terrence Jones may be the bigger prospect but he’s way behind Brandon in the basketball iq department…Brandon has embraced the role Cal as given him while Jones has gone outside the role of post player and playmaker Calipari asked him to play…

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  • #477785
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    Johnny Kilroy
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    Jones is the guy that got Kentucky back in that game – Coach Cal might have yelled at him and called him out- but Jones is the reason UK had a chance at the end!

    Also without Jones, Kentucky would have a hard time making the NCAA tournament. Jones isn’t a prototype 4, but plays down low because Kentucky has no one else. Harrelson is okay and Elroy is straight up crap- If Jones was playing alongside Patterson, I think he would benefit more.

     

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  • #477788
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    andxxx
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     I’m sorry, but have any of you guys saying knight is on the same level seen both of them play?  Kyrie Irving scored 30+ on a nationally televised game against Michigan State.  He was clearly the better player in highschool and more of a point guard.  Brandon knight is a great college player and shooter, but as far as NBA prospecting barring injury Irving is better and like I said if you’ve watched both of them it’s not even close.

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  • #477794
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    mwalling2117
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    Whenever I see Knight play he never strikes me as a "I want this guy to run my team" type of player.  Knight doesn’t stand out as a great point guard, and he doesnt have the size to play a differant position.  his assist and turnover numbers clearly show that he doesnt have the passing/ playmaking ability to be a point guard at the next level.  Best-case senario I see him as a Jason Terry or Stephon Marbury type of player, and thats best case.

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  • #477802
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    iguapops420
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     Kyrie played the 2 mostly in highschool, only recently is he actually converting. To see the guy play you would think he’d been floor general’n for years.

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  • #477805
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    Johnny Kilroy
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    Kyrie played the point the last 2 years at St.Patrick’s-  Dexter Strickland was suppose to run point guard his senior year, but didn’t when Kyrie arrived for his junior year. (not for sure, but I don’t Kyrie played at St.Pat’s his freshman and sophmore year)

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  • #477814
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    scoutguru
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    I’ve said before that, he’ll be a Jason Terry, Mo Williams type player. Just an absolute gunner who’s at his best when he only has to look for his shot. Def has the talent, just needs to gain experience and not just rely on jacking 3’s at time. He should be a good one, nice bench player, spark off a bench, maybe has slight potential as a starter if he’s besides a scorer who dominates the ball. Lotto area is where he’ll end up. This is a real weak draft… But there’s nothing elite about about him when you project to the league. He’s not incredibly fast, not gonna sky over guys and finish strong through contact in the paint. He’s a great HS player, and now an very good college player on a team that needs him to score, as they lack depth. But Kyrie seemed to be on another level as a PG, and still has a considerable amount of potential to grow. Idk bout being CP3, thats one of those things you gotta do it first before we put you in that class. But #s don’t mean everything, a clear eye test will show you Kyrie projects better as a PG.

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  • #477834
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    MrAllison88
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    Knight will be a jason terry type player is brought in to score, which isnt that bad how long has terry been in the league? quiet a long time. Lets just face it he’s not a pure point guard neaither is tyreke evans neither is steph curry.

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  • #477840
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    lalaila
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    you are saying you don’t want Knight to run your team..but we all need to understand he isn’t going to be 19yr old until month after ’11-’12 season stars..with that work ethic and great IQ Knight will learn the game i’m sure..except playmaking all his other skills are very good for the guy of HS senior’s age and his size is also looks great…if we are comparing him to Irving we see he is not in the same level yet, but the difference between them isn’t really 20picks..if Kyrie is a lock for top3 than Brandon should be at least lock for top10 in my eyes

     

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  • #477844
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    Brandon Knight should be a top 10 pick, He is a scorer who is being asked to run a team. If he doesnt score they dont win at UK plain and simple, so he will never be a "pure" point guard. He has a harder job than Irving, because the people has to make plays for have never been in this position before, just like his high school team. They are used to sitting on the bench. Miller, Liggins, Harrelson and Vargas arent the stars that are on Duke’s team. These guys barely touched the floor last year. Irving was put in a good situation and just like his HS team, which was top 5 last year, with stars like Gilchrist. Irving has talent, but he doesnt have that elite athleticism  that Knight keeps getting knocked for plus he is smaller, Knight shoots it better, rebounds better, and has a work ethic like no other. The kid wants to get better. Knight an absolute speed demon with the ball, I’ve seen him play in person. Put Irving on a team full of second string players and freshman and see how he does. Irving isnt being asked to score and Duke will still win without him (as we have seen), Take Knight away from UK, what do you get? A borderline NIT team. Irving is passing to 2 players in discussion for NPOY honors and team thats been widely viewed as the best. Irving never played in conference, teams scout you during conference play, so who knows how he wouldve done. Oh and the 31 pts he put up against Michigan State, everyone has done that so thats not really a big deal. They stink this year. They both are elite talents, I feel its just a little unfair to Knight that he is getting punished because of his situation. By the end of the year, he should be in the top 10.

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  • #477848
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    chunkymonkey
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     Yep, Irving played at MKA until his junior year I believe.  Was moved to point when Strickland went down with some kind of injury early that year.  He was a prospect before that, but it was really that high school season and the following summer circuit that made him nationally known. 

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  • #477950
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    finnegan
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    irving better player than knight in high school? come on, knight is 2 times HS player of the year not irving!

    do you believe on the scouts who says knight will drop to #20 picks? i don’t buy that. youngest player in college who average 18/4/4 to drop that low on weak draft? no way. some scouts also said that to tyreke evans before, tyreke cant play pg in nba and sg because he can’t shoot outside thats why he will drop on 20’s pick. jrue holiday doing good in nba right now, remember what scouts says on holiday when holiday declares to join the draft, they says that holiday was lucky to draft in 2nd round.

    holiday is also HS gatorade player of the year but his freshman year in college isn’t that great (only average 8 pts), look him now in the nba. brandon knight is 2 times HS gatorade player of the year, and his averaging 18/4/4 so far on his 1st year in college. I do believe that knight > holiday in the nba, if you watch holiday now in the nba, do you think most GM’s will let knight to drop on 20’s?

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  • #477953
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    The Scare Crow Returns
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    Every team looking for a pg, or combo guard for bench scorer has him high on their draft board…

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  • #477954
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    finnegan
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    as far as knight assist is concern, so far he average 3.7 asst, for a 1st year pg thats a decent assist number. rajon rondo who leads now in nba in assists only average 3.5 assists in college on his freshmen year, he increase to 4.9 on his sophomore year in college.

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  • #477967
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    iguapops420
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     Exactly, Knight will be high on the lists of teams looking for combo guards, (not points) that’s why he’ll fall out of lotto by the time the draft occurs.

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