[laarethekingsParticipant]

Both are sophomores, both play SG. Why is one a top 10 pick ( Harris ) and one isn’t even in the first round ( Adams )?

Adams is 17ppg, 5.5reb, 3stls, 2ast. 47% on 12 shots a game, 37% from 3 and 83% FT’s.

Harris is 18ppg, 4reb, 2stls, 2ast. 41% on 14 shots a game, 34% from 3 and 80% FT’s.

 

I just don’t understand how ones a lock, the other might not get drafted.

Adams can do two things very well snice coming to UCLA. Steal the ball. Avg 2 last year now 3 a game this year. And score, he’s right around that 1 1/2 point per shot that you look for. I’m not going to talk up Harris cause well he doesn’t need it. He’s looked at as a top 10 player. No reason in my mind why Adams shouldn’t go somewhere between 15 and 25.

[fundamentalsforfunParticipant]

 I see Adams as a steal if taken in the second round. I see him having a long career being a 3 and D on a good team and think afflalo of previous years (not this one) is his potential ceiling. 

[fundamentalsforfunParticipant]

 I see Adams as a steal if taken in the second round. I see him having a long career being a 3 and D on a good team and think afflalo of previous years (not this one) is his potential ceiling. 

[CodySLCParticipant]

 The knock on Adam’s is his athleticism, or lack their of. But i definitely think he’s got a career in the league. He kind of reminds me of Wes Mathews. 

[CodySLCParticipant]

 The knock on Adam’s is his athleticism, or lack their of. But i definitely think he’s got a career in the league. He kind of reminds me of Wes Mathews. 

[Anton123Participant]

 I don’t see what’s great about Gary Harris, he’s undersized, isn’t a good ball-handler or passer and isn’t a terrific defender. He’s also been inefficient all season, shooting barely over 40% on a team where he doesn’t have to really force a lot of shots.

I think he can become an okay starter (maybe a smaller Courtney Lee type), but I don’t see him becomming anything better. Maybe I’m wrong.

I think he can be an okay pick in the 15-20 range, but a reach in the top-10 (even more in the top-8)

[Anton123Participant]

 I don’t see what’s great about Gary Harris, he’s undersized, isn’t a good ball-handler or passer and isn’t a terrific defender. He’s also been inefficient all season, shooting barely over 40% on a team where he doesn’t have to really force a lot of shots.

I think he can become an okay starter (maybe a smaller Courtney Lee type), but I don’t see him becomming anything better. Maybe I’m wrong.

I think he can be an okay pick in the 15-20 range, but a reach in the top-10 (even more in the top-8)

[PhillytheKid]

Exactly, really don’t understand the Gary Harris hype.  I think people saw the Michigan State Kentucky game at the start of the year, where he was impressive, and havne’t fallen out of love with him.

 

If you watch his other games he doesn’t do anything spectacularly.  They alk about the Sixers drafting him with the Pels pick.  That would be a waste for a team tahts trying to win in 3 years, you take the guy with ridiculous potential in 3 years rather than the average potential.  You take Zach Lavine.  

 

Wes Matthews plays with a chip on his shoulder, he can shoot the lights out, and he has fast twitch muscles which I dont’ think Gary Harris has.  Wes Matthews is underrated, if Gary Harris somehow gets the athleticism and tenacity of Wes Matthews, I’d be very surprised.  He will be an average pro.

[PhillytheKid]

Exactly, really don’t understand the Gary Harris hype.  I think people saw the Michigan State Kentucky game at the start of the year, where he was impressive, and havne’t fallen out of love with him.

 

If you watch his other games he doesn’t do anything spectacularly.  They alk about the Sixers drafting him with the Pels pick.  That would be a waste for a team tahts trying to win in 3 years, you take the guy with ridiculous potential in 3 years rather than the average potential.  You take Zach Lavine.  

 

Wes Matthews plays with a chip on his shoulder, he can shoot the lights out, and he has fast twitch muscles which I dont’ think Gary Harris has.  Wes Matthews is underrated, if Gary Harris somehow gets the athleticism and tenacity of Wes Matthews, I’d be very surprised.  He will be an average pro.

[juves4783Participant]

philly’s goal is to win in 3 years?!?!?!  i doubt it…the eastern conference is so bad and philly has the cap room to make moves this offseason.  

what’s with the gary harris hype?  it’s pretty easy.  he’s consistent and does it against top competition.  he showed last year he can be at worst a spot up shooter.  this year, he expanded his offensive game.  scored double digit in every game but 2.  he already has the frame at 210lbs.  he can come in and play right away.  for philly, he plays right in with a penetrating pg with height like mcw.  this year lacks sg depth and sg free agents so that is partially why harris and lavine are so high.

with lavine, you get inconsistency.  his conference play is nowhere near what he was doing in non-conference.  it’s either consistency or durability issues.  could be because he’s a stick figure at 180 lbs.  reminds me of a smaller gerald green (who took how 9 years to start contributing).

as far as arguement between adams vs. harris, i think it’s a wash.  i could see adams being a late lottery-mid 1st rounder.  he’s a guaranteed scorer, whether off the bench or starting.

 

 

 

[PhillytheKid]

Basketball IQ comes with experience right?  No way you put 3 first and 1 second year players out there with Thad Young and sign a free agent and think you can win in less than 3 years…they’ll be in the lottery again next year, even with a weak East.  I really hope they get Karl Towns.  Drummond would be overpaid I hope Hinkie doesn’t go that way, because althought he cna crash, you’d have 2 big men with little offensive game.  The guy playing next to Noel has to have a strong offensive game and crash boards (I hope Pels pick drops to 6 or 7 and they can grab Vonleh).

But DUDE, if you think Jordan Adams is as good potentially as Lavine, what games are you watching?  Jordan Adams is slow.  Lavine is dynamic.  Lavine has a SICK shot, Adams is really in Lavine’s way, and also holding back UCLA.

 

These college teams are all about fitting kids into a system.  No matter how tempting, you can’t just give the ball to Wiggins or Parker every play and watch them work.  They learn to play within a system.  Gary Harris is a good cog in Michigan State’s system, but he’s also a sophomore.  If Lavine was given the ball and told to go to work, I guarantee you he’d be averaging 20 points a game easy.  I wonder how those UCLA practices go, but I am pretty sure Jordan Adams gets the start because of seniority.  I’ll bet my right thumb that Lavine is a better pro than Jordan Adams.

 

Slow SGs aren’t that successful in the NBA, unless their body is still developing.  I saw James Harden play against Temple in the NCAA tourney and thought he was slow and lazy, but I was wrong about that.  He played lazy against Temple but he is obviously the man now.  I really don’t think Harris and Jordan Adams (lol), are on the same level as James Harden.  I’ll bet my thumb on that!

[juves4783Participant]

dude…philly has at least $23M in money to spend.  that could fill 3 roster spots with a mix of quality young and veteran free agents.  throw that in with 2 lottery picks and wroten, mcw, noel and young and you have a decent 9 man rotation.  besides, i would be a lot more worried if they were running with a rookie pg, but mcw proved himself.  if he stays healthy, they could definitely make the playoffs, especially in the east.  look at charlotte’s roster if you want to see how bad the eastern conference is.  

and seriously, how can you argue that adams plays just because he has seniority over lavine?  i guess steve alford doesn’t like to win?  he’s a coach.  his job is based on wins and losses.  you should be more worried that norman powell is getting the nod over lavine.  maybe he’s on the bench because he went 7-34 on a 6-game streak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Scott42444Participant]

 Chris Grant?  Is that you?  Didn’t you learn from your time in Cleveland that even with cap space, 2 #1 picks and 2 other Top 4 picks that even making the playoffs in the East is NOT a forgone conclusion?

Haven’t you also learned that cap space doesn’t mean that you will get ANY decent free agent to come to your team?  Especially when you have a mix of young guys who don’t know how to win?

 

[Scott42444Participant]

 Chris Grant?  Is that you?  Didn’t you learn from your time in Cleveland that even with cap space, 2 #1 picks and 2 other Top 4 picks that even making the playoffs in the East is NOT a forgone conclusion?

Haven’t you also learned that cap space doesn’t mean that you will get ANY decent free agent to come to your team?  Especially when you have a mix of young guys who don’t know how to win?

 

[juves4783Participant]

dude…philly has at least $23M in money to spend.  that could fill 3 roster spots with a mix of quality young and veteran free agents.  throw that in with 2 lottery picks and wroten, mcw, noel and young and you have a decent 9 man rotation.  besides, i would be a lot more worried if they were running with a rookie pg, but mcw proved himself.  if he stays healthy, they could definitely make the playoffs, especially in the east.  look at charlotte’s roster if you want to see how bad the eastern conference is.  

and seriously, how can you argue that adams plays just because he has seniority over lavine?  i guess steve alford doesn’t like to win?  he’s a coach.  his job is based on wins and losses.  you should be more worried that norman powell is getting the nod over lavine.  maybe he’s on the bench because he went 7-34 on a 6-game streak.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PhillytheKid]

Basketball IQ comes with experience right?  No way you put 3 first and 1 second year players out there with Thad Young and sign a free agent and think you can win in less than 3 years…they’ll be in the lottery again next year, even with a weak East.  I really hope they get Karl Towns.  Drummond would be overpaid I hope Hinkie doesn’t go that way, because althought he cna crash, you’d have 2 big men with little offensive game.  The guy playing next to Noel has to have a strong offensive game and crash boards (I hope Pels pick drops to 6 or 7 and they can grab Vonleh).

But DUDE, if you think Jordan Adams is as good potentially as Lavine, what games are you watching?  Jordan Adams is slow.  Lavine is dynamic.  Lavine has a SICK shot, Adams is really in Lavine’s way, and also holding back UCLA.

 

These college teams are all about fitting kids into a system.  No matter how tempting, you can’t just give the ball to Wiggins or Parker every play and watch them work.  They learn to play within a system.  Gary Harris is a good cog in Michigan State’s system, but he’s also a sophomore.  If Lavine was given the ball and told to go to work, I guarantee you he’d be averaging 20 points a game easy.  I wonder how those UCLA practices go, but I am pretty sure Jordan Adams gets the start because of seniority.  I’ll bet my right thumb that Lavine is a better pro than Jordan Adams.

 

Slow SGs aren’t that successful in the NBA, unless their body is still developing.  I saw James Harden play against Temple in the NCAA tourney and thought he was slow and lazy, but I was wrong about that.  He played lazy against Temple but he is obviously the man now.  I really don’t think Harris and Jordan Adams (lol), are on the same level as James Harden.  I’ll bet my thumb on that!

[juves4783Participant]

philly’s goal is to win in 3 years?!?!?!  i doubt it…the eastern conference is so bad and philly has the cap room to make moves this offseason.  

what’s with the gary harris hype?  it’s pretty easy.  he’s consistent and does it against top competition.  he showed last year he can be at worst a spot up shooter.  this year, he expanded his offensive game.  scored double digit in every game but 2.  he already has the frame at 210lbs.  he can come in and play right away.  for philly, he plays right in with a penetrating pg with height like mcw.  this year lacks sg depth and sg free agents so that is partially why harris and lavine are so high.

with lavine, you get inconsistency.  his conference play is nowhere near what he was doing in non-conference.  it’s either consistency or durability issues.  could be because he’s a stick figure at 180 lbs.  reminds me of a smaller gerald green (who took how 9 years to start contributing).

as far as arguement between adams vs. harris, i think it’s a wash.  i could see adams being a late lottery-mid 1st rounder.  he’s a guaranteed scorer, whether off the bench or starting.

 

 

 

[theprophetParticipant]

gary harris is smooth, he’s good with the ball or off ball. he can handle and shoot the rock. he’s more 6’4″ than what is listed, and as mentioned on here before has a similar game to beal. he’s crafty, but also deceivingly quick and has some overlooked hops by many. while adams is crafty, as also mentioned, he isn’t very quick defensively and he doesn’t jump out of the gym. both players are better of course playing along side a point guard that can keep a defense honest. only time will tell who will be the better player, but i would bet on harris and i would take him on my team now.

[theprophetParticipant]

gary harris is smooth, he’s good with the ball or off ball. he can handle and shoot the rock. he’s more 6’4″ than what is listed, and as mentioned on here before has a similar game to beal. he’s crafty, but also deceivingly quick and has some overlooked hops by many. while adams is crafty, as also mentioned, he isn’t very quick defensively and he doesn’t jump out of the gym. both players are better of course playing along side a point guard that can keep a defense honest. only time will tell who will be the better player, but i would bet on harris and i would take him on my team now.

[Scott42444Participant]

 I remember quite a few people say similar things about James Harden.  Heck, some of the NBA GM’s thought those same things about Harden.  I recently read about him possibly falling to #10 if the Thunder wouldn’t have taken him.  Sometimes scouts and GM’s see things that we don’t based on repeated watching of game film.

One guy who is 6’4" with a 34-inch vertical and 6’8" wingspan doesn’t play the same as another guy who is 6’4" with a 34-inch vertical and 6’8" wingspan.  Guys can’t always be boxed into their physical numbers.

 

[Scott42444Participant]

 I remember quite a few people say similar things about James Harden.  Heck, some of the NBA GM’s thought those same things about Harden.  I recently read about him possibly falling to #10 if the Thunder wouldn’t have taken him.  Sometimes scouts and GM’s see things that we don’t based on repeated watching of game film.

One guy who is 6’4" with a 34-inch vertical and 6’8" wingspan doesn’t play the same as another guy who is 6’4" with a 34-inch vertical and 6’8" wingspan.  Guys can’t always be boxed into their physical numbers.

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Gary Harris in 16 games: 18.9 ppg, 44.6% FG, 36.4% 3PT

Jordan Adams in 13 games: 16.2 ppg, 43.3% FG, 33.3% 3PT

So, you have that. Than in conference:

Gary Harris in Big 10 Play: 17.8 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.5 spg, 42.2% FG, 37.8% 3PT (2.6 made pg), 77.5% FT

Jordan Adams in Pac-12 Play: 16.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.1 apg, 2.5 spg, 44.8% FG, 41% 3PT (1.7 made pg), 82.9% FT

When you adjust for pace, UCLA does indeed play faster, which helps Adams statistically more so than Harris. I did the RPI Top 100 ones myself, as I was just curious, so that is why I did not go into more detail (did it old school, not on Excel, lol, though guess I am either on or pretty close). One thing I know is that Jordan Adams rep is that he does not necessarily show up in the bigger games. Plus, I truly believe UCLA’s mostly awful non-conference schedule gave him a big statistical boost. Missouri is not even an RPI Top 50 team anymore and he didn’t shoot well in that one, plus he really struggled against Duke. Both losses for UCLA. Adams started off the season on a tear, which sort of came to a halt once he started playing better comp.

One other thing I found funny was the only thing rounded up for Gary Harris was his ppg, where Adams got a bit more of the benefit of the doubt. I am not a big Gary Harris supporter, though I do like him more than Adams. The big thing is on tape and how theyare seen as coming to the league. I feel Jordan Adams has played a lot more 3rd guard this season than SG, whereas Gary has played his position and shown some good things. One thing is for sure, they do not play the same schedule and I think Harris has played better in big games compared to Adams. Overall numbers are one thing, though I think these games matter a lot as well, as these teams tend to have quite a few players that they will going up against at the next level.

 

 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Gary Harris in 16 games: 18.9 ppg, 44.6% FG, 36.4% 3PT

Jordan Adams in 13 games: 16.2 ppg, 43.3% FG, 33.3% 3PT

So, you have that. Than in conference:

Gary Harris in Big 10 Play: 17.8 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 2.6 apg, 2.5 spg, 42.2% FG, 37.8% 3PT (2.6 made pg), 77.5% FT

Jordan Adams in Pac-12 Play: 16.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 2.1 apg, 2.5 spg, 44.8% FG, 41% 3PT (1.7 made pg), 82.9% FT

When you adjust for pace, UCLA does indeed play faster, which helps Adams statistically more so than Harris. I did the RPI Top 100 ones myself, as I was just curious, so that is why I did not go into more detail (did it old school, not on Excel, lol, though guess I am either on or pretty close). One thing I know is that Jordan Adams rep is that he does not necessarily show up in the bigger games. Plus, I truly believe UCLA’s mostly awful non-conference schedule gave him a big statistical boost. Missouri is not even an RPI Top 50 team anymore and he didn’t shoot well in that one, plus he really struggled against Duke. Both losses for UCLA. Adams started off the season on a tear, which sort of came to a halt once he started playing better comp.

One other thing I found funny was the only thing rounded up for Gary Harris was his ppg, where Adams got a bit more of the benefit of the doubt. I am not a big Gary Harris supporter, though I do like him more than Adams. The big thing is on tape and how theyare seen as coming to the league. I feel Jordan Adams has played a lot more 3rd guard this season than SG, whereas Gary has played his position and shown some good things. One thing is for sure, they do not play the same schedule and I think Harris has played better in big games compared to Adams. Overall numbers are one thing, though I think these games matter a lot as well, as these teams tend to have quite a few players that they will going up against at the next level.

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Harris is a solid player and worth a top 10 pick. He handles the ball pretty well and is a solid defender. His issue is that he isn’t very big but I could see him being a solid starter on a good team as long as he isn’t a primary scoring option.

I have wondered why Adams doesn’t get more love too. He can score the ball and is a solid shooter. Somebody mentioned Wes Matthews as a comparison which I really like. Same kind of size and athleticism. Matthews didn’t stand out athletically in college and he has sneaky athleticism in the NBA, which I could see Adams displaying as well.

I would take him between 15 and 20.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Harris is a solid player and worth a top 10 pick. He handles the ball pretty well and is a solid defender. His issue is that he isn’t very big but I could see him being a solid starter on a good team as long as he isn’t a primary scoring option.

I have wondered why Adams doesn’t get more love too. He can score the ball and is a solid shooter. Somebody mentioned Wes Matthews as a comparison which I really like. Same kind of size and athleticism. Matthews didn’t stand out athletically in college and he has sneaky athleticism in the NBA, which I could see Adams displaying as well.

I would take him between 15 and 20.

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