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- Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:49am #25801
stealsgaloreParticipantJordan Taylor’s playing out of his mind right now, two huge pull up three’s, the last one in Aaron Kraft’s face.
Does anyone see him getting drafted at any point in his career?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:54am #488974
DanEboyParticipantHe has been the best PG in the Big 10 this season. I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be drafted with another solid season next year.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:54am #489031
DanEboyParticipantHe has been the best PG in the Big 10 this season. I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t be drafted with another solid season next year.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:56am #488977
JNixonParticipantHe won’t get drafted, definitely not until he shows the ability to be a true PG. He has some shot-making skills at the college level, but he’s a 5’11 guy who really would struggle to get off good shots in the NBA. I don’t like him very much as a prospect, but he is a good college player.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 10:56am #489033
JNixonParticipantHe won’t get drafted, definitely not until he shows the ability to be a true PG. He has some shot-making skills at the college level, but he’s a 5’11 guy who really would struggle to get off good shots in the NBA. I don’t like him very much as a prospect, but he is a good college player.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:09am #488982
DanEboyParticipantHe is listed at 6’1 and his Ast/TO ratio is 4/1….he has PG skills
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:09am #489039
DanEboyParticipantHe is listed at 6’1 and his Ast/TO ratio is 4/1….he has PG skills
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:12am #488986
stealsgaloreParticipantWhat about Brusewitz, kid was clutch today…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:12am #489043
stealsgaloreParticipantWhat about Brusewitz, kid was clutch today…
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:26am #488994
TRC1991Participantthe only nba player on wisconsin is Jon Leuer
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:26am #489050
TRC1991Participantthe only nba player on wisconsin is Jon Leuer
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:49am #488996
BlueLacesParticipantTaylor plays the exact same way was past Wisconsin point guards Kamron Taylor and Trevon Hughes, neither were NBA prospects and I don’t think Taylor is either.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 11:49am #489052
BlueLacesParticipantTaylor plays the exact same way was past Wisconsin point guards Kamron Taylor and Trevon Hughes, neither were NBA prospects and I don’t think Taylor is either.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:02pm #489016
JNixonParticipant^Yeah exactly. All he is is a shorter version of Trevon Hughes. Who was a combo guard. And just watching him on TV shows that Taylor isn’t 6’1 at all. He’s also not a true PG, and he’d struggle running an NBA offense. His A/TO numbers are nice, but he’s not a natural PG.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:02pm #489072
JNixonParticipant^Yeah exactly. All he is is a shorter version of Trevon Hughes. Who was a combo guard. And just watching him on TV shows that Taylor isn’t 6’1 at all. He’s also not a true PG, and he’d struggle running an NBA offense. His A/TO numbers are nice, but he’s not a natural PG.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:11pm #489026
BlueLacesParticipantHis A/TO numbers are a result of Bo Ryan’s swing offense. The Badgers as a whole simply don’t turn the ball over. And Nixon, you’re right, I would say he his around 5’10, not 6’1. A really good college player and a fun one to watch, but not an NBA prospect.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:11pm #489082
BlueLacesParticipantHis A/TO numbers are a result of Bo Ryan’s swing offense. The Badgers as a whole simply don’t turn the ball over. And Nixon, you’re right, I would say he his around 5’10, not 6’1. A really good college player and a fun one to watch, but not an NBA prospect.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:56pm #489077
tigers04Participanti dont see why he wouldnt get drafted..kids a stud, you could always learn how to run a team look at nate after he went to boston..just bc at wisconsin he scores more doesnt mean down the road he cant learn how to run a team..i mean in lamens turn you take less shots study ur offense as well as other teams defense know where ur teammates are and your a pass first point guard..thats a thing that always annoys me
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 12:56pm #489132
tigers04Participanti dont see why he wouldnt get drafted..kids a stud, you could always learn how to run a team look at nate after he went to boston..just bc at wisconsin he scores more doesnt mean down the road he cant learn how to run a team..i mean in lamens turn you take less shots study ur offense as well as other teams defense know where ur teammates are and your a pass first point guard..thats a thing that always annoys me
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:09pm #489091
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant“Taylor plays the exact same way was past Wisconsin point guards Kamron Taylor and Trevon Hughes, neither were NBA prospects and I don’t think Taylor is either.”
Funny. He plays the exact same way except for the part where Taylor is averaging double the number of assists per game of Taylor and Hughes, neither of them were ever anywhere close to 4:1 in the assist-to-turnover category, and neither shot the ball nearly as well. It is almost as if they played in the same system, but were nowhere near as good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:09pm #489146
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant“Taylor plays the exact same way was past Wisconsin point guards Kamron Taylor and Trevon Hughes, neither were NBA prospects and I don’t think Taylor is either.”
Funny. He plays the exact same way except for the part where Taylor is averaging double the number of assists per game of Taylor and Hughes, neither of them were ever anywhere close to 4:1 in the assist-to-turnover category, and neither shot the ball nearly as well. It is almost as if they played in the same system, but were nowhere near as good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:16pm #489103
JNixonParticipant"i dont see why he wouldnt get drafted..kids a stud, you could always learn how to run a team look at nate after he went to boston..just bc at wisconsin he scores more doesnt mean down the road he cant learn how to run a team..i mean in lamens turn you take less shots study ur offense as well as other teams defense know where ur teammates are and your a pass first point guard..thats a thing that always annoys me"
Nate Robinson plays in a unique situation with 3 hall of fame players on his team. He could possibly be able to run a team in the long term, but how would you know? He’s making shots, but alot of his shots are tough, questionable in selection or tightly contested. At 5’11 or 6’0, how well does that translate? I think the situation he’s in at Wisconsin gives him some stability and allows him to take care of the ball and make shots, but I just don’t see what makes him a guy that makes you say something like "i dont see why he wouldn’t get drafted" when he’s really not that good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:16pm #489158
JNixonParticipant"i dont see why he wouldnt get drafted..kids a stud, you could always learn how to run a team look at nate after he went to boston..just bc at wisconsin he scores more doesnt mean down the road he cant learn how to run a team..i mean in lamens turn you take less shots study ur offense as well as other teams defense know where ur teammates are and your a pass first point guard..thats a thing that always annoys me"
Nate Robinson plays in a unique situation with 3 hall of fame players on his team. He could possibly be able to run a team in the long term, but how would you know? He’s making shots, but alot of his shots are tough, questionable in selection or tightly contested. At 5’11 or 6’0, how well does that translate? I think the situation he’s in at Wisconsin gives him some stability and allows him to take care of the ball and make shots, but I just don’t see what makes him a guy that makes you say something like "i dont see why he wouldn’t get drafted" when he’s really not that good.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:23pm #489111
BlueLacesParticipantBTPH
Funny. It’s almost as if you come on here with a smart ass comment and reply to every post with stats that you found on ESPN. How many times have you watched the Badgers play this year? It’s almost as if you tuned into the game today because they played the number one team in the country and were on national tv.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:23pm #489166
BlueLacesParticipantBTPH
Funny. It’s almost as if you come on here with a smart ass comment and reply to every post with stats that you found on ESPN. How many times have you watched the Badgers play this year? It’s almost as if you tuned into the game today because they played the number one team in the country and were on national tv.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:27pm #489119
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant"I just don’t see what makes him a guy that makes you say something like "i dont see why he wouldn’t get drafted" when he’s really not that good."
Something along the lines of him putting up the same kind of numbers and performances that Jimmer Fredette has while also never turning the ball over since Big Ten play began (20.8 PPG, 46 FG%, 43 3FG%, 62.5 TFG%, 55.2 EFG%, 4.9 APG, 4.5 RPG, and 4.2:1 A:T. This also while playing in one of the slowest and most conservative systems in college basketball that limits possessions and opportunities to amass numbers. Clearly that guy is no good. Aaron Craft has been wrecking havoc on Big Ten point guards all year with his defense, but not today. If Taylor isn’t good, then who is?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:27pm #489173
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant"I just don’t see what makes him a guy that makes you say something like "i dont see why he wouldn’t get drafted" when he’s really not that good."
Something along the lines of him putting up the same kind of numbers and performances that Jimmer Fredette has while also never turning the ball over since Big Ten play began (20.8 PPG, 46 FG%, 43 3FG%, 62.5 TFG%, 55.2 EFG%, 4.9 APG, 4.5 RPG, and 4.2:1 A:T. This also while playing in one of the slowest and most conservative systems in college basketball that limits possessions and opportunities to amass numbers. Clearly that guy is no good. Aaron Craft has been wrecking havoc on Big Ten point guards all year with his defense, but not today. If Taylor isn’t good, then who is?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:30pm #489125
JNixonParticipantWho said he wasn’t good?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:30pm #489179
JNixonParticipantWho said he wasn’t good?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:33pm #489129
BlueLacesParticipantThis thread wasn’t about how good Jordan Taylor is playing right now, it was how good of an NBA prospect he is. Everyone on here gave him rightfully due credit that he is a great college player. We answered the question that we don’t think he is a great NBA prospect.
BTPH, now answer mine, how many times in the last 5 years have you watched the Badgers play?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:33pm #489183
BlueLacesParticipantThis thread wasn’t about how good Jordan Taylor is playing right now, it was how good of an NBA prospect he is. Everyone on here gave him rightfully due credit that he is a great college player. We answered the question that we don’t think he is a great NBA prospect.
BTPH, now answer mine, how many times in the last 5 years have you watched the Badgers play?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:35pm #489135
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantThat JNixon-Iggy9 guy who I quoted.
I understand that you give more weight to how a player is ranked coming out of high school than how a player actually performs in college but in this case you have been stubborn but getting your facts wrong about Taylor’s style of play, size, and understanding of the Wisconsin system.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 1:35pm #489189
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantThat JNixon-Iggy9 guy who I quoted.
I understand that you give more weight to how a player is ranked coming out of high school than how a player actually performs in college but in this case you have been stubborn but getting your facts wrong about Taylor’s style of play, size, and understanding of the Wisconsin system.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:28pm #489240
JNixonParticipantWhat about this quote: "but he is a good college player"? In nothing you quoted did I say he was a bad player. You can’t just change what I said because we have different opinions.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:28pm #489186
JNixonParticipantWhat about this quote: "but he is a good college player"? In nothing you quoted did I say he was a bad player. You can’t just change what I said because we have different opinions.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:30pm #489242
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantHe’s been insane this year, if it weren’t for Purdue’s Johnson and OSU’s Sullinger, Taylor would be the B10 player of the year. He could potentially be 2nd or 3rd team All American the way he’s been playing lately.
But as a pro, I think if he left right now, he’d be a late 2nd rounder. If he took another year, he’d prolly be an early second rounder, with potential to sneak into the very end of the first round. He’s small, but ridiculously strong for his size. He’s WAY better than Kammron Taylor and Trevon Hughes. I’m a UW student, I’ve seen them all play several times. All K-Taylor and Hughes did was jack up unnecessary 3’s, and neither were great passers. Taylor is a significantly better playmaker than both of them, and takes good care of the ball. That said, he’s by no means going to be an elite PG at the next level, but I think he’s capable of running a second unit.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:30pm #489188
GlenTaylorSucksParticipantHe’s been insane this year, if it weren’t for Purdue’s Johnson and OSU’s Sullinger, Taylor would be the B10 player of the year. He could potentially be 2nd or 3rd team All American the way he’s been playing lately.
But as a pro, I think if he left right now, he’d be a late 2nd rounder. If he took another year, he’d prolly be an early second rounder, with potential to sneak into the very end of the first round. He’s small, but ridiculously strong for his size. He’s WAY better than Kammron Taylor and Trevon Hughes. I’m a UW student, I’ve seen them all play several times. All K-Taylor and Hughes did was jack up unnecessary 3’s, and neither were great passers. Taylor is a significantly better playmaker than both of them, and takes good care of the ball. That said, he’s by no means going to be an elite PG at the next level, but I think he’s capable of running a second unit.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:41pm #489250
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant“What about this quote: “but he is a good college player”? In nothing you quoted did I say he was a bad player. You can’t just change what I said because we have different opinions.”
This is what you wrote:“I think the situation he’s in at Wisconsin gives him some stability and allows him to take care of the ball and make shots, but I just don’t see what makes him a guy that makes you say something like “i dont see why he wouldn’t get drafted” when he’s really not that good.”
You said he wasn’t that good. My response was simply, if he wasn’t good then who is?
Earlier, you wrote and called him a shorter Trevon Hughes and claimed him to be a system player. None of that is the case. He is already a superior player to Trevon Hughes. He does not make mistakes, his shot has grown by leaps and bounds from last year, and he is very much a true point guard. Other than clinging to preconceived notions about a player from years ago, there is no accuracy to your beliefs about him. Like I said earlier, if he isn’t that good, then who is? Seeing as how there is a lack of college basketball players who have proven capable of playing at the level he has while being the best player on a top ten (Final Four caliber) team, I’d like to see that list.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:41pm #489196
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant“What about this quote: “but he is a good college player”? In nothing you quoted did I say he was a bad player. You can’t just change what I said because we have different opinions.”
This is what you wrote:“I think the situation he’s in at Wisconsin gives him some stability and allows him to take care of the ball and make shots, but I just don’t see what makes him a guy that makes you say something like “i dont see why he wouldn’t get drafted” when he’s really not that good.”
You said he wasn’t that good. My response was simply, if he wasn’t good then who is?
Earlier, you wrote and called him a shorter Trevon Hughes and claimed him to be a system player. None of that is the case. He is already a superior player to Trevon Hughes. He does not make mistakes, his shot has grown by leaps and bounds from last year, and he is very much a true point guard. Other than clinging to preconceived notions about a player from years ago, there is no accuracy to your beliefs about him. Like I said earlier, if he isn’t that good, then who is? Seeing as how there is a lack of college basketball players who have proven capable of playing at the level he has while being the best player on a top ten (Final Four caliber) team, I’d like to see that list.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:48pm #489255
JNixonParticipantWhen I said he wasn’t that good, I was talking about how someone said "I don’t see how he wouldn’t get drafted" like he is just some guaranteed draft pick. He’s good, but it’s not like a bunch of folks should be shocked if he doesn’t get picked.
I don’t see him being all that great a prospect. He’s playing good in college right now, yes, but haven’t I acknowledged that? There is a difference between being a good college player and a good NBA prospect.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:48pm #489202
JNixonParticipantWhen I said he wasn’t that good, I was talking about how someone said "I don’t see how he wouldn’t get drafted" like he is just some guaranteed draft pick. He’s good, but it’s not like a bunch of folks should be shocked if he doesn’t get picked.
I don’t see him being all that great a prospect. He’s playing good in college right now, yes, but haven’t I acknowledged that? There is a difference between being a good college player and a good NBA prospect.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:55pm #489259
Stanford hoops1Some scouts are pretty high on him. but i wasnt too high on him until this game. Showed he can hit some big shots and is a good shooter as well as a good passer( didn’t know he averages 5ast a game and 4 reb in a slow down offense like that)
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 2:55pm #489206
Stanford hoops1Some scouts are pretty high on him. but i wasnt too high on him until this game. Showed he can hit some big shots and is a good shooter as well as a good passer( didn’t know he averages 5ast a game and 4 reb in a slow down offense like that)
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 3:11pm #489218
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantThere is a difference between a good college player and a good NBA prospect. Being a primary option and putting up numbers does not make a player an NBA prospect. There are a lot of guys who just get fat numbers because of a system or beating up on inferior competition. The combination of production, efficiency, and winning in what is either the best or second toughest conferences in the country does mandate him being a prospect. I don’t think he is going to leave, but put his body of work against comparable competition up against anyone. I cannot see him going undrafted. Point guards who don’t make mistakes are incredibly valuable commodities. Tack on the fact that he can shoot makes him all the more intriguing. Put his resume up against Kemba, Jimmer, Taylor, McCamey, Lee, Thomas, Joseph, Wayns, Fisher, Cole, Delaney etc. If they are better players and prospects, then what is the reason he is outplaying them? It isn’t comparing him to Derrick Rose or Chris Paul as for whether he will be an elite point guard but rather graded relative to other prospects. He fares well against them. Kemba isn’t big or a true point guard, he also isn’t hitting shots. Is he a prospect? Has Demetri McCamey shown up to the arena in the past month? Is he a prospect?
0 - Posted on: Sat, 02/12/2011 - 3:11pm #489271
BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantThere is a difference between a good college player and a good NBA prospect. Being a primary option and putting up numbers does not make a player an NBA prospect. There are a lot of guys who just get fat numbers because of a system or beating up on inferior competition. The combination of production, efficiency, and winning in what is either the best or second toughest conferences in the country does mandate him being a prospect. I don’t think he is going to leave, but put his body of work against comparable competition up against anyone. I cannot see him going undrafted. Point guards who don’t make mistakes are incredibly valuable commodities. Tack on the fact that he can shoot makes him all the more intriguing. Put his resume up against Kemba, Jimmer, Taylor, McCamey, Lee, Thomas, Joseph, Wayns, Fisher, Cole, Delaney etc. If they are better players and prospects, then what is the reason he is outplaying them? It isn’t comparing him to Derrick Rose or Chris Paul as for whether he will be an elite point guard but rather graded relative to other prospects. He fares well against them. Kemba isn’t big or a true point guard, he also isn’t hitting shots. Is he a prospect? Has Demetri McCamey shown up to the arena in the past month? Is he a prospect?
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 9:42am #490895
UW-MU FanParticipantThere is absolutely no comparison between between Jordan Taylor, Tevon Hughes and Kam. I am/was a big fan of all three and Jordan stands out far above the other two. Actually, JT is playing the way I always hoped TH would but rarely did.
As to his NBA prospects, I see his upside as being comparable to Derek Fisher as he has a similar body type and skill set. The key is whether he is quick enough, which I am not sure. He has an NBA body and an NBA shot already. His decision making skills with the ball are superior – people always forget the liability of Bo’s offense is that too often the shot clock winds down forcing someone to make a play. With Hughes and Kam there were too many bad shots and turnovers. Not so with Taylor. His height is a liability but the difference between 6-1 and 5-11 is negligiable. At both heights either he has the quickness to compensate or he doesnt.
Nick Van Excel comes to mind also as upside but that seems like a reach. But on the low end, you cant tell me that Jacque Vaughn has/had better pro potential than Taylor and Jacque had a nice long career as a back up.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 02/15/2011 - 9:42am #490941
UW-MU FanParticipantThere is absolutely no comparison between between Jordan Taylor, Tevon Hughes and Kam. I am/was a big fan of all three and Jordan stands out far above the other two. Actually, JT is playing the way I always hoped TH would but rarely did.
As to his NBA prospects, I see his upside as being comparable to Derek Fisher as he has a similar body type and skill set. The key is whether he is quick enough, which I am not sure. He has an NBA body and an NBA shot already. His decision making skills with the ball are superior – people always forget the liability of Bo’s offense is that too often the shot clock winds down forcing someone to make a play. With Hughes and Kam there were too many bad shots and turnovers. Not so with Taylor. His height is a liability but the difference between 6-1 and 5-11 is negligiable. At both heights either he has the quickness to compensate or he doesnt.
Nick Van Excel comes to mind also as upside but that seems like a reach. But on the low end, you cant tell me that Jacque Vaughn has/had better pro potential than Taylor and Jacque had a nice long career as a back up.
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