Jimmy Butler to Philly!

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Jimmy Butler to Philly!

I love this for both sides. Philly gets another absolute stud in their quest to conquer the east, which, I think is more feasible now than before.

Minnesota gets some relatively young and versatile pieces. They lost out on what they could have gotten for Butler, since his value was reduced at this point.

Thoughts on their starting line up? Bench depth? How they'll transition with Butler not exactly being a great 3 PT shooter but following the mold Philly needs to support Simmons' shooting deficiencies? The incredible defensive team they could become with him and Embiid on the same side of the floor? How he'll push Markelle Fultz?


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Philly

Good for Philly if Butler does sign long term, Butler, Simmons, and Embiid together will be competing for eastern conference titles and Nba titles for years to come. Feel like Houston is a loser here, they are struggling and could of had Butler and have Carmelo chucking for them and they are losing when their expectations were a championship. Minnesota gets a couple nice pieces for the future also.

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I'm surprised Minny got so

I'm surprised Minny got so much back at this point. Good for both teams.

I'm just thinking of what this means with the 4 spot and if they are going to play Ben there, pushing on with Ben and Markelle together.. they are all very close personally, which would be tough to break up, but they need to keep an eye on how it works on the floor.

I imagine it means Fultz Redick Butler Simmons and Embiid starting. Maybe a bigger role for Bolden? Two forwards gone, big changes. This will take a while for them to gel.

Minny did well. Rose/Teague Wiggins/Okogie Covington Saric/Gibson KAT. That's a well balanced rotation, no more locker room headache.

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4 spot

This was my concern after seeing those trade too. Ben can guard forwards, but I don't know if it's good for him to be battling down low with stronger players all game. Maybe they're hoping for more from Chandler as a small ball 4? I like Muscala but he's a bit slow at the 4 and is dealing with injuries.

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Scarecrow touched up on this

Scarecrow touched up on this a bit before. Saric has really struggled this year, he pointed out that they needed another scoring gaurd in the starting lineup and that Saric shouldve been coming off the bench. I think with this trade they lose some depth but now healthy Wilson Chandler should be able to assume a larger role. Muscala does nothing but shoot threes I think he can do more but thats what you guys have him doing this year.

No matter how you look at it they shouldnt have too much of a problem plugging in role players around a core of Simmons, Butler and Embiid. Both players can gaurd 4 positions on defense and play 3 positions on offense. Last year they got Ilyasova for a 2nd round pick and signed Belinelli after he cleared waivers.

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Fultz

Where does this leave Fultz? It'll be interesting to see how he meshes with Butler. Kind of seems like the odd man out.

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Of course he is the odd man

Of course he is the odd man out, that’s the point of this trade, have you seen him play this year? You can’t rely on someone at finals time with so many head noises

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Actually I think it's the

Actually I think it's the opposite. Ben in going to start at PF in place of Saric, Fultz full time at point. Simmons will be a ball dominate 4, sort of like LBJ when he play PF.

The last few games Simmons has been playing center in the half court offense and Embiid PF, Fultz at point (when all three are on the floor at the same time)

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What'd you do know, Simmons

What'd you do know, Simmons starts tonight at PF and Fultz at PG.

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And they got beat by Memphis

Obviously had no butler..... and they got beat by Memphis

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They only had 9 players and

They only had 9 players and Memphis still needed over tonight to best them at home.

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Good deal for the

Good deal for the Timberwolves. Even without a first round pick heading to them RoCo and Saric are worth this trade.

To be honest I think the Sixers got screwed here. While we don’t really need to talk about how good of a basketball player Butler really is, they either have to pay max money for a often injured player who has problems finding his role on the 2nd team in a row now and thinks what he has done recently was all about being honest OR they just traded two really good forwards for someone who will sign elsewhere next summer.

RoCo is all nba defensive material and Saric a very good all round player who should fit in nicely next to KAT and Gibson. If Butler won’t stay in Philly this team is one major injury of Embiid away from having left two franchise players without a jump shot.

While I usually respect the balls of teams going all in in deals like that I don’t really think this will work out for Philly since their frontcourt is very weak now but who knows.

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Embiid and Simmons can easily

Embiid and Simmons can easily guard any 4/5 combination in the league. Positionless basketball is the future.

As someone who watched over 200 of Covington's 300 career games I can say he has become one of the more overrated players in the league. He has very good hands defensively and can get hot from the outside...but he really doesn't bring much else to the table. He never drives to the bucket or gets fouled. Many Sixers fans aren't really upset to lose him despite his reputation as an all defensive team guy.

Saric is solid but won't likely improve that much more as he commands more money. He started this season slow and is useless coming off the bench. The fact that they didn't include Fultz or a 1st round pick to get Butler who is a bonafide all star is a steal in my opinion.

Last year was the first time in Butler's career he played less than 65 games due to injury and he still played 59 so I wouldn't call him inury prone. His attitude in Minnesota seems to be the only negative but I feel like that all came from a place of wanting to win and not seeing the effort from his teammates. He will be a great Sixer.

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Simmons at 4 makes sense on

Simmons at 4 makes sense on paper but I kinda feel like he will do the same thing Paul George did and complain about playing PF.

It should be interesting to see how Covington plays when his coach doesnt tell him to just camp out and take 3's. Brown was using him as a floor spacer and getting him to jack as many 3's as possible similar to Trevor Ariza in Houston. I think hes got more to his game.

PG-Rose, Teague

SG-Wiggins

SF-Covington

PF-Saric

C-Towns

Thats a solid team with good young talent.

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Offensively Covington doesn't

Offensively Covington doesn't have much more than spot up shooting.

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got that right. turned down

got that right. turned down open threes because he is not in rythem and booting breakaway layups...BYE RoCo!

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The only way the 76ers get

The only way the 76ers get screwed on this deal is if Butler doesn't resign or gets seriously injured. I've watched the 76ers all throughout the process and it hurts to see Covington and Saric get dealt, but it's more over sentiment than ability. Covington is a great defender, but offensively he's a streak shooter who has marginal ball skills. Saric is gritty, a good rebounder, and a solid offensive player. He's a below average NBA player athletically and a marginal defender. Embiid covered up a lot of Saric's defensive liabilities and I doubt KAT can do that as well.

Anyone who has watched the 76ers this year would have to admit they're no better than 3rd best team in the East. They could have honestly been the 4th or 5th best team in the East. They needed to do something and if this turns out well the 76ers could be significantly better in the short and long term.

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Chemistry?

Jimmy Butller is undoubtedly a star caliber player. But we don't yet know how his insertion into the Philly lineup will hurt or help team chemistry.

Never understimate the importance of chemistry and how well players get along on and off the court. Over the years, I've seen many talented teams go nowhere because they lacked that all important quality.

Therefore, I'm not saying this trade is a positive or a negative for Philly until I see how well Butler fits into a team which did extremely well last year without hm.

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Absolutely. An example is

Absolutely. An example is when the Pacers traded Danny Granger for Evan Turner and signed Andrew Bynum.

Those moves destroyed team chemistry. Turner and Lance Stephenson ended up getting into a fight in practice (instigated by Bynum) and Roy Hibbert was never the same after the Pacers signed Bynum.

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Minnesota

Minnesota should be winning games now with Butler gone. They may not admit it but having him around cost them to lose focus mentally, but they will NEVER say that out loud. I'm surprised they got more than they bargained for in Saric. Those are good locker room dudes that shouldn't cause problems internally. I expect them to start winning games. No more excuses. Rose has been ballin'. They should take advantage of it.

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they got less than they

they got less than they bargained for...remember they were asking for Simmons....Didn't even get Fultz

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With all due respect

I remember that and no way they're giving up Simmons. At that time, Thibs' asking price is too darn steep it is impossible to make a deal. But with the situation continuing to worsen the longer Butler stays, they had to take what's at the table right now. Considering Butler's trade stock has gone down, I'm still surprised they got Saric in the deal. I thought it'd revolve around RoCo for most part but Saric is a pretty solid addition IMO

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I can gaurantee Thibs didnt

I can gaurantee Thibs didnt want Fultz.

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A lot of people agree with

A lot of people agree with you on that one.

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Theres a lot to digest here.

Theres a lot to digest here. For Minnesota, I love the move because they managed to rid themselves of butler and actually brought back decent value in return. Both Covington and saric are versatile players you can plug into pretty much any system and they can produce. This should keep them competitive in the short-term and sets them up well for the long-term. Thibs clearly didn’t want to make a deal centered around draft picks that would lead to them taking a step back this season. They were able to avoid that.

For philly, this is a sign that they are going all in on trying to compete for a title now. A trio of Simmons, butler and embiid definitely rivals any in the league. Is the rest of their roster good enough to put them in that elite category of teams? We will see. As far as butler being willing to sign long-term there are 2 ways to look at that? On one hand you get a guy whose one of the best 2 way players in the league committed to sign long-term. But will butler continue to play at the same level or close by the time he’s 33-34 and embiid/Simmons are reaching their primes. This significantly hampers their roster flexibility going forward. Also, you have to wonder how butler will adjust to this team. He’s a guy that doesn’t like to take a back seat to anyone. Will he come in and try to takeover like he did in Minnesota or will he be more willing to play a complimentary role for the sixers? It will definitely be interesting to see. This could work out great or could end up being a disaster.

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Trust the Process!!! Sam

Trust the Process!!! Sam Hinkie still Winning! Covington was signed out of the D League and he patiently waited 2 years for Saric .

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minny

i really like this trade for minny. they got back two guys who i think come right in with no chemistry issues.

philly taking a huge risk butler reups. if he doesnt this trade is gonna look really bad for philly.

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Korkmaz!

Furkan Korkmaz debuts tonight! Contrary to the conflict he's had in Philly, it seems as if he'll finally get an opportunity to shine, and in a role they need, a floor spacer. Perhaps he breaks out, as his summer league performance suggested? I'm intrigued to see how things unfold for the 76ers indeed.

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So, Butler for Saric and a

So, Butler for Saric and a cheesesteak. Butler really screwed them over on this one. Maybe if they pulled this it off quicker, they get a whole lot more.

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and some crab fries...I think

and some crab fries...I think they put Bayless in the deal

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This is an addition by subtraction trade

The T-wolves now get to move some pieces around: Dario to starting PF and Taj to the Bench,Robert C to the starting lineup..Giving them a deeper overall team.

This gives them floor spacing and reasonable defense without to much dropoff from butler.

The move also gives them some cap back as Butler was going for a max and Robert C(11-13 mill) and Dario(still on cheap deal).It also probably gives Thibs some more players he can actually trust to play to a reasonable level...

I would also say this move sort of mirrors the Hawks and Thunder trade a little.. We got rid of a perceived locker room distraction and upgraded our back up P.G giving Russ more breathers and us more depth. T-wolves got rid of theirs..

If the T-wolves had at least got a protected first rounder back this deal looks good for them. But the irony to this move is essentially this: They gave Dunn,Lauri and Zach up for Dario and Robert Covington...

The 76ers got their perceived 2/3rd option for this team will be interesting to see what they do this season do the play Butler at Pf or Simmons at PF? Will they have enough depth? Does this mean the Futlz starting experiment is over and he is now their 6th man? Or do they see how they go and hope for the best but really they are targeting F.A next offseason with Butler and shooters coming back in...

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Good deal for both teams, the

Good deal for both teams, the 76ers get an All Star guy who can be troublesome but if he will buy into their plans could be huge for them. They lose two starters but can rejig the line up to get Reddick or Amir back in.

The 76ers keep Fultz and Reddick. I could have seen Thibs liking Reddick and his deal was short term too. They haven't had to take Dieng either.

The T-Wolves get two good starters for Butler and add a fair amount of depth. Kat and Saric will be a nice long term frontcourt and Covington is another player Thibs would like.

Patton has never really played in the NBA so isn't a loss as such to T-Wolves but could be a bonus to Philly.

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It seems to be a good deal on paper for the Sixers but if Butler acts up like a diva again the way he did in Chicago and Minnesota, Philly's going to have a problem at hand. This guy seems to have an attitude.

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I don't really put any blame

I don't really put much blame on Butler for Chicago. A lot of stuff was going wrong and he seemed to take most of the blame. Now Minnesota was a messed up situation on his part, but I can understand why he started really acting out if he requested a trade at the start of the off-season and was ignored. I hope it works out for the Sixers, but they'd be fools to assume everything will go perfectly. Hopefully he gets along well with Embiid and Simmons and there are no serious issues or trade demands.

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The whole 4 picks from

The whole 4 picks from Houston and they took Dario and Roco instead outrage is cracking me up. Houston will probably right the ship and most of those picks will probably be in the high 20s if the Rockets got Butler. Seems like the Wolves made out much better with those two players instead of a bunch of late round picks that probably won't amount to anything too useful.

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report ---- After

report ----

After Butler plays 39 minutes in a loss to the Clippers that dropped the Wolves to 0-3 on the trip, the Wolves have conversations with the Heat about a possible trade. But the Heat inform the Wolves that Richardson is no longer on the table after his stellar start to the season, and the Wolves move on. Minnesota begins to engage seriously with Philadelphia, New Orleans and Houston. New Orleans’ package is headlined by Nikola Mirotic and an unprotected first-round draft pick and the Rockets’ proposal has Eric Gordon, Nene and two first-round picks, sources said. The 76ers come with their proposal around Robert Covington and Dario Saric, leaving the Timberwolves to deliberate.

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Wow!

Wow! If that's the case, I would've taken the Rockets deal. Those deals with the New Orleans and Houston are more enticing than Philly's but at least the Wolves get two no-nonsense guys who are willing to do anything to help that team.

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