[don042488Participant]

If  I was Otis Smith, GM of the Orlando Magic, I would package Dwight Howard, and the hefty contracts of Quentin Richardson and Chris Duhon, along with the rights to rookie guard, DeAndre Liggins, to the Golden State Warriors, for Monta Ellis, David Lee, Andris Biedris, Ekpe Udoh, their 2012 first round pick, and cash considerations…To me, that deal is better than any offer that came up during the rumor mill which proposed the Los Angeles Lakers would supposedly offer the pair of Bynum & Odom, or Gasol & Odom, for the 3- time Defensive Player of the Year…The New Jersey Nets was rumored to offer starting big men, Brook Lopez and restricted free agent Kris Humphries, along with Travis Outlaw, for Orlando’s big fella…Neither teams, can offer as much as the Warriors can offer…The Warriors’s history may not be as prestigious as the Lakers, the Bay Area may not be as glamorous as LA, and the Oracle Arena may not be as star studded like the fans in the Staples Center, but the support of the fans is there, as seats are always filled, The Oracle Arena is one of the loudest arenas in the league, basketball genius Jerry West is guiding the team, new management is said to be willing to spend the money to bring the Warriors’s their 2nd title, and stud Stephen Curry will emerge in an All-Star one day, especially with the open looks he’ll get with Howard manning the paint..I hope this deal could get done…Even if Howard doesn’t agree to an extension with the Warriors, before the trade, I would still take the chance, ala The Nets with Deron Williams…The Bay Area is still a popular place, and after all it’s in California, a place for big stars, like Dwight Howard,

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

We are all incredibly glad you are not Otis Smith. Or any other GM for that matter. 

[JayhawkFan23Participant]

Its still early, but this could be one of the most infamous posts in nbadraft.net history.

[don042488Participant]

Do u have anything better smart mouth? Since u know it all young buck

[TyroberParticipant]

 So you want to keep your two worst contracts in Hedo and Arenas? No team is renting Dwight Howard for half a season either. 

[JayhawkFan23Participant]

Keep the Magic the way it is.

[don042488Participant]

Why? When Howard is planning to leave

[don042488Participant]

If anybody could get Howard to stay in the Bay Area, it’s Jerry West

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Not trading him for the Warriors already less than successful core minus Stephen Curry seems like a start. Don, you come around once in a while, it is fun to see a blast from the past I suppose. But, Donald Faison, I think there are MANY better options for Dwight Howard. Not to mention, the Orlando Magic, the team that you are trying to represent as Otis Smith.

Also, remember this?:

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/why-dont-top-prospects-do-what-larry-legend-did#comment-339079

Still, you mention how it would help the Warriors, with NO mention of how it helps Orlando. Also, I think what the Lakers have to offer would make a lot more sense. Not only are they accomplished front court players from a winning environment, but they are not under long term contracts. Also, Oklahoma City could possibly offer up a deal around Russell Westbrook, among other teams (The Bulls or Celtics, possibly). It is not limited to just New Jersey and LA. They are just the teams being talked about. Regardless, Dwight would have very little reason to believe he would win in Golden State. Throw in that Duhon and Richardson contracts are not hefty (3.4 and 2.5 respectively). I am not a know it all, but I put thoughts into what I post. Do your research.

[don042488Participant]

I don’t have to explain anything, it’s self explanatory and common sense chump…The Magic acquires a 25 ppg scorer, in Monta Ellis, David Lee is a double double machine and could score anywhere from 18 to 20 points a game, Udoh is a shot blocking machine, Biedris is a good young defensive center, with experience…Plus a first round pick and cash…What more can Orlando ask for? Umm, know it all, Howard doesn’t want to go to a smaller market than Orlando, such as OKC…The Bay Area is a popular place…And Westbrook is still on his rookie deal, his salary wouldn’t match with Howard’s, The Thunder would have to trade Perkins and alot of their team for him, which they would not do…Research some more brotha

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

So you want Gilbert Arenas & Monta Ellis in the same backcourt? I love both guys, but that’s a disaster waiting to happen.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Wow, got me. So, your idea is:

• To trade roughly 35 Million from Golden State (with only Biedrins contract being less than 3 years) for 26 million dollars and a menial first round pick (Seeing that Golden State, if acquiring Dwight Howard, would more than likely make the play-offs). The cash considerations would be substantial, I am sure, but we see how well trade exceptions have worked.
• Keep the fantastic contracts of Arenas and Turkoglu
• Hope that Monta Ellis puts up 25 ppg and David Lee is a double double machine AND win basketball games. This has not happened.
• Fortunately enough, with these players, still remain almost in play-off contention, hence more than likely not drafting a potential replacement for Dwight Howard.

Sounds like a great deal to me! Dwight does not care about market, he cares about winning. If he can do that in OKC, I am sure he would be happy to do so. If they had to trade Russell Westbrook and Kendrick Perkins, so be it. Sure Otis would rather have that than the Warriors offer. Not to mention Atlanta, Dwight’s hometown, possibly putting together a deal that could involve Josh Smith and Al Horford. Either way, you either want to get someone you could win with or destroy and rebuild. Getting players with time on their contract and remaining mediocre is only cool if you care about someone being a scoring and double double machine and not being a competitive basketball team.

[meisi4Participant]

orlando wont make a trade until howard makes clear he wants to leave.

if he indeed wants to leave no trade is impossible. but i am sure orlando will ask the team that gets howard to also take on the contract of arenas or turkoglu. and maybe both…

and then the team that gets howard will make sure he signs an extension just like it was with melo.

 

those are the three things that need to happen in my opinion to get dwight out of orlando with a trade.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You gotta love Don… He disappears for like a whole year and then pops up with an outrageous trade idea lol.  Comedy.

[OllstarParticipant]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3ok6qgn

arenas howard for deng boozer noah. chi would have to part with a pick too.

boozer wants to play in florida. noah is a florida alum. howard can play alongside the MVP. ben gordon showed promise as a bull arenas might find a similar niche.

 

[McDunkin]

[OllstarParticipant]

not gonna lie when ever I do a season as Chi. I always do this trade. The downside at the time for the bulls is it gives them no depth up front. Taj is a good 4 for 30 mins a game. Arenas could be a great sixth man and provides something completely different then brewer.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

There’s no way Orlando would take on the contracts of Boozer and Deng. Together, they’re both owed over $100 MILLION.

Then add Noah’s remaining $60 million to that. That’s A LOT of money to be taking back.

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I don’t usually do trades and I haven’t checked to see if this would work salary wise, but here’s a trade:

LAC

2012 Unprotected 1st Round Pick via Minnesota

Chris Kaman’s expiring contract

Randy Foye’s expiring contract

Brian Cook (assuming he excercises his player option)

DeAndre Jordan, after he gets his contract extended

Al-Farouq Aminu

Eric Bledsoe

ORL

Dwight Howard

Hedo Turkoglu

Jameer Nelson

[I May Be WrongParticipant]

 @Indiana

My god with that trade! lol That’s almost an automatic 50 points 25 rebounds from Blake and Dwight. If they could flip Jameer for a pass first PG (like a Steve Nash) and he might get 15 assists a night just off alley-oops hahah

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I’m sure ORL would probably want Eric Gordon and try to get LAC to take on Arenas’ deal, but I think that’s a good deal above. ORL would get a top five pick in an amazing draft. They’d get immediate cap relief, a veteran center and a few young prospects.  

Taking on Arenas’ contract is just too much to ask. Taking on the contracts of Turk and Nelson would give them immediate cap relief. I think LAC would do it since the last year of Turk’s deal is unguaranteed (2013/2014) and Nelson’s is up after 2012/2013.

The frontcourt of Howard and Griffin would be the best since Robinson and Duncan. I know there’s the Donald Sterling factor in LAC, but I think Griffin could lure Howard. Howard hasn’t had the luxury of playing with another big man than can help him in the paint. I think LAC would become immediate contenders.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Indiana, that is the best trade I have seen thus far FOR Orlando (the Clippers still win, but Orlando would at least have hope for the future). They get a pretty much guaranteed lottery pick from Minnesota and probably are still relatively bad enough to be in the lottery as well. If I am Orlando and trading Dwight Howard, I want it to be all or nothing. I think getting Bledsoe, Aminu and Jordan would be huge, I would expect Kaman to probably walk. Plus, adding two more than likely lottery picks, now that seems like a great way to rebuild a team. The major difference between this trade and Don’s is the pick, not to mention the level of young talent. You go through a couple bad years, but you would be building a team from scratch, with a chance to grab major pieces.

They may say the Clippers give up a lot, and they do, but they get even more in having Dwight Howard along side Blake Griffin and Eric Gordon. You have to spend money to make money, this would be a gamble but it seems well worth it. I think both teams win big time in your projected deal. Of course BG and Dwight would still more than likely suck at the charity stripe, but that would be one incredible front line. They would still have Mo Williams, as well, who as a combo scoring guard off of the bench would more than likely be fantastic. Truly, I think the Clippers may indeed have the best package to offer Orlando. Them taking advantage of it is a whole different story.

[Andrew1984Participant]

I could see the Clippers landing Chris Paul before I could see them landing Howard. It’s hard to have your top two scorers as post players. Feeding the post is a very deliberate decision. It’s easier said than done. To manage the touches of two post players is just really hard.  It’d be very difficult for Gordon, Griffin, and Howard all to get their looks. We know CP wants to play with a contender. We know he’s a FA after the 2011-2012 season.

Eric Bledsoe, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Ryan Gomes for Chris Paul. This gives New Orleans a young PG, athleticism on the wing, and a probably lousy season and a chance to win the lottery and draft Andre Drummond or Anthony Davis.

As far as Howard, I still think he’ll re-sign with Orlando, but if Orlando does end up being forced to trade him, I could actually see him landing in Houston. They love bigs in Houston. Dream, Yao, Howard. They have a ton of young assets. D. Morey knows how to swing deals:

Orlando receives Kevin Martin, Luis Scola, and a first-round pick.

Houston receives: Dwight Howard

Orlando starts Nelson-Martin-Richardson-Scola-Anderson

Houston starts Lowry-Budinger-Marcus Morris-Patrick Patterson-Howard

[Andrew1984Participant]

Pardon me, I meant Kaman instead of Gomes in the Clippers-Hornets deal. Clippers need to create more minutes for Deandre Jordan and with Kaman’s salary, the deal works perfectly.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I Live in Orlando and the owner was on a radio show when someone asked him ,”what will they do if Howard ask for a trade? He said he hope it never comes to that becuz Dwight is 1 of only a handful of players that can go to any team and immediately make them a contender..But if it does comes to that..He wants a Top 10 player in return or 1 All Star caliber player, young players with upside and draft picks……..He said he believes Arenas can be a star again in this league if he can stay healthy….

 

[OllstarParticipant]

I forgot ORL didn’t like taking on huge contracts… Lewis, Arenas. And let’s not forget the reason Howard can bolt is because he’s not locked up. I think with these CHI players ORL would have some players that wanted to be there: Noah, Boozer, Deng(Duhon college teammate). Contracts long enough to build camaraderie and it’s not like the guys are old with long contracts they still are in the primes of their careers if not even there yet. ORL would become a very deep team. This team would be above mediocre and could battle for 4th seed in the east. I think the Clippers trade would be a fine deal if it worked out salary wise. If I’m ORL and know Howard is gone I’ll take 3 1st round picks(aminu, bledsoe, 2012) and a promising young big.

[TRC1991Participant]

I dont like the trade for LAC…they have a beautiful young core, why destroy it? even if it means adding d12, you can still win games with jordan, blesdoe and aminu in the future once they’ve developed

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

@Andrew1984

As much as Howard has improved offensively, I still don’t think he’s a go to player offensively. He’s still not a great passer either. Griffin may be young, but he’s a developing top option in my eyes. The thing I love the most about Griffin is he has great vision as a passer and is very unselfish. He can play in the low, mid or high post. He’s probably in the gym working on his mid-range jumpshot right now as I type this.

My point is that I think they would compliment each other in quite a few ways. There’s enough shots for the both of them and I know that Griffin wouldn’t care if he got 25 and 15 or 18 and 12.

And Eric Gordon? He’d be the most happy guy in the world with all of the open looks he’d get. He’s a team guy all of the way.

But I could definitely see LAC going for Paul as well. And not to start a debate about who’s better between Paul or Howard, but I think LAC would have to give up slightly less to get Paul.

@Ollstar

Just can’t see ORL taking back that much salary for a two very good role players (Noah and Deng) and a fading all-star who’s always injured and can’t defend in Boozer. ORL overpaid and reached for a few guys to surround Howard with good players, but I don’t think they’d do that if they knew they were going into rebuilding mode. Young and talented prospects, cap relief and draft picks is what they’d be looking for in my opinion… Unless they’re able to trade for another superstar straight up.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I wouldn’t even think twice about giving up Jordan (poor man’s Howard who’s even worse at the line), Bledsoe (athletic combo guard who looks for his own shot too much) and Aminu (has decent potential at the three, but a Luol Deng type at best) for Howard.

Howard is the most dominant center in a league with no great centers. Teams who can control the paint at both ends win titles and LAC would have the most dominant big man duo since Robinson and Duncan.

I know LAC is trying to follow the OKC blueprint, but I don’t think their young core is as good. IF you have a chance to get Howard, you do it in my opinion because he makes you an immediate contender.

[HitsterParticipant]

I like Indyball’s idea of sending Dwight to the Clippers, it works well for both teams and makes the Clippers a legit force. My only worry would be if Dwight might be prepared to go to what is consdered a slightly unglamourous team.

The Magic may have to decide fairly soon what to do with Dwight if the lockout was ended and they could offer him an extenson as like Melo when he signed his new deal, Dwight’s trade value is much higher if he’s committed to a team for another 3 or 4 years. If nothing happens then Orlando risk losing Dwight for nothing next summer and rebuild is put off by a year and any chance to perhaps move Turko or even Arenas disappears.

No other obvious deals seem there for Dwight to be traded that I can think of unless you start getting very creative or perhaps it becomes multi teams to take contracts back etc.

Teams with picks due from other teams such as Houston have been mentioned, Denver is in rebuild and does not have assets to send back really and Boston only has veteran expiring deals assuming they want to keep the younger core.  

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

Although ur trade makes basketball sense…the salaries arent even close to matching…

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

How much am I off? I didn’t research it, but I figured it could work depending on DeAndre Jordan’s upcoming contract extention.  

[JayhawkFan23Participant]

The Clippers would be taking in $37 mill. and the Magic would be taking in $23 mill. So yeah, its way off

[JayhawkFan23Participant]

If u gave the magic Craig Smith, than the cap would be ok on the trade according to the trade machine.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I thought about throwing in Ryan Gomes, but I think he has two years remaining on his contract instead of just one. I was trying to stick with players with expiring contracts. I think Gomes is only owed like $8 million though, so ORL would be willing to take him.

And Craig Smith is a free-agent.

[jamesofwhite21Participant]

TURRIBLE! TURRIBLE TRADE, TURRIBLE POST. SHUT UP KENNY.

[jamesofwhite21Participant]

that don in his picture or Rodney Carney ha

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

That Clippers trade could work out very well for ORL. Especially if that 1st rounder turns into Andre Drummond!

[aamir543Participant]

I am a Warriors fan, and even i don’t think he’s coming here, this thread was a waste of time.

[bdiddy5115Participant]

If I’m Daryl Morey, I’d be willing to unload pretty much anybody. We got more young assets than anybody. We have picks and guys like Scola/Martin who are high level players for their positions.

If Houston can retain to a few key pieces after acquiring D12, they should be able to entice a big name to come in FA.

 

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