[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

Okay it is still very early in the entire draft process, we’re just getting into the 2nd round of the playoffs as I type this, the Draft Lottery isnt for a few weeks and we have no idea what’s going to happen before or after that night…

We can however make wild speculations and try our best to envision our team’s potential draft position, lets see what kind of trades could take place on Draft Day…Its always fun to play GM and get a conversation started before the official Lottery/Combine/Draft…a

So I’ll start, what do you guys think about the 76ers trading down from 3(Russell or Mudiay) for the Kings 6th pick(Hezonja) and another asset(Ben Mclemore or Nik Stauskas or a 1st rounder in 2016???)

I think the Kings would be upgrading either PG or SG with this move, whoever they feel is a better fit around Cousins between Russell or Mudiay, they would likely have to trade Mclemore or Stauskas if they take Russell, they could take Mudiay and keep their SG’s if they are willing to include their 2016 1st round pick(likely in the 10-18 range???)

For Philadelphia they take a better fit with Noel/Embiid/Saric in Mario Hezonja, Hezonja may be one of the most skilled prospects in the draft and at worst spreads the floor for our PF and C to operate, I believe he can play Sg and Sf for the 76ers and that we can find a good to great PG later down the road(plenty of picks from this year and next year’s Draft)

So my hypothetical trade has Philly trade the Kings D.Russell or E.Mudiay for M.Hezonja and an asset(Mclemore, Staukas or 1st rounder in 2016)

Kings add a potential star G to pair up with DMC, 76ers add a versatile G/F to spread the floor for Noel/Embiid/Saric…

Thoughts on my Trade idea…And please leave one of you’re own as well…

[arambone2]

 I think Cousins is more likely to be traded.

 

 

[arambone2]

 I think Cousins is more likely to be traded.

 

 

[cheetosjalapeno17Participant]

 who would you peg as the starting  point guard for the sixers next season given that trade? 

[cheetosjalapeno17Participant]

 who would you peg as the starting  point guard for the sixers next season given that trade? 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

OR…

They could use several of their 2nd round picks to move up for a prospect like Jerian Grant or Delon Wright(both seem NBA ready-ish)…Maybe move up for Tyus Jones if they believe he can eventually become a starting PG(I have some doubts myself about Jones)

There is also the possibility they Trade a few players and/or picks for a Starting Pg, someone like Ty Lawson could be dealt away, younger PG’s that are currently backing up a good PG like Schroeder or McCollum could be pried away from the Hawks/Blazers for the right price(we own alot of picks in 2015 & 2016 and could part with a few if we add a good PG)

Then there is always Free Agency, a young G like Brandon Knight could be stolen away from the cheapskate Sun’s GM, I think a scoring Guard like Knight is a worth 10-14 million for a Team like the 76ers to take on, we have been operating on the cheap and have a ton of CAP Space and flexibility, plug Brandon Knight in at PG with Mclemore at SG and Hezonja at SF and I think that’s a good start, especially with Noel, Embiid and Saric playing PF/C, Wroten , Covington and Robinson are great role players too. Tony the slasher/scorer off the bench, Robert Covington the shooter/defender and T.Rob is the gritty rebounder/hustle guy…

So that’s my idea to find a PG

Plan A. Sign a guy like Brandon Knight

Plan B. Trade for a player like Ty Lawson, Dennis Schroeder or CJ McCollum using future picks

Plan C. Trade up for a prospect like Grant, Wright or Rozier in the 1st round, try him out for a few seasons and keep PG as a top priority going forward in FA or 2016 Draft

Plan D. Start a healthy Tony Wroten or find some other young PG in the D-League/Un-drafted talent pool…

I’m confident we can find a guy somewhere in between to fill the void, Russell isn’t a PG and I’m starting to like Hezonja more for the team at this point, I’m also not sold on Mudiay yet and wouldn’t put it past any of the other PG prospects to outplay him throughout their careers…I like the idea of moving back a few spots for Hezonja and McLemore, and adding a PG later on(Plan A-D)

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

OR…

They could use several of their 2nd round picks to move up for a prospect like Jerian Grant or Delon Wright(both seem NBA ready-ish)…Maybe move up for Tyus Jones if they believe he can eventually become a starting PG(I have some doubts myself about Jones)

There is also the possibility they Trade a few players and/or picks for a Starting Pg, someone like Ty Lawson could be dealt away, younger PG’s that are currently backing up a good PG like Schroeder or McCollum could be pried away from the Hawks/Blazers for the right price(we own alot of picks in 2015 & 2016 and could part with a few if we add a good PG)

Then there is always Free Agency, a young G like Brandon Knight could be stolen away from the cheapskate Sun’s GM, I think a scoring Guard like Knight is a worth 10-14 million for a Team like the 76ers to take on, we have been operating on the cheap and have a ton of CAP Space and flexibility, plug Brandon Knight in at PG with Mclemore at SG and Hezonja at SF and I think that’s a good start, especially with Noel, Embiid and Saric playing PF/C, Wroten , Covington and Robinson are great role players too. Tony the slasher/scorer off the bench, Robert Covington the shooter/defender and T.Rob is the gritty rebounder/hustle guy…

So that’s my idea to find a PG

Plan A. Sign a guy like Brandon Knight

Plan B. Trade for a player like Ty Lawson, Dennis Schroeder or CJ McCollum using future picks

Plan C. Trade up for a prospect like Grant, Wright or Rozier in the 1st round, try him out for a few seasons and keep PG as a top priority going forward in FA or 2016 Draft

Plan D. Start a healthy Tony Wroten or find some other young PG in the D-League/Un-drafted talent pool…

I’m confident we can find a guy somewhere in between to fill the void, Russell isn’t a PG and I’m starting to like Hezonja more for the team at this point, I’m also not sold on Mudiay yet and wouldn’t put it past any of the other PG prospects to outplay him throughout their careers…I like the idea of moving back a few spots for Hezonja and McLemore, and adding a PG later on(Plan A-D)

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

The sixers will draft who they think has the best chance to be a star player. Hezonja certainly has all-star potential, but can’t see them passing up on Mudiay or Russell.

As for my trade I think Sacramento will trade their pick for a point guard like Ty Lawson or Jru Holliday. 

  

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

The sixers will draft who they think has the best chance to be a star player. Hezonja certainly has all-star potential, but can’t see them passing up on Mudiay or Russell.

As for my trade I think Sacramento will trade their pick for a point guard like Ty Lawson or Jru Holliday. 

  

[mgreener_34Participant]

 My question to the forum would be, when was the last draft where their wasn’t a big draft day trade? Or trade that changed the course of franchises? 

2006: Bulls trade #2 LeMarcus Aldride for…#4 Tyrus Thomas (damn, Bulls). Suns later that draft trade #21 Rajon Rondo to Boston. 

2007: Ray Allen for the #5 pick, Jeff Green.

2008: Minny Swaped picks, trading OJ Mayo for Kevin Love. The Blazers also traded the #27 and #33 pick for #25 Nicolas Batum

2009: Minny traded the #18 pick, Ty Lawson to the Denver Nuggets

2010: Thunder trade up into the lottery (this was huge at the time, because Cole not panning out led to a bunch of other moves by the Thunder), and also traded the #18 Eric Bledsoe to the Clippers

2011: Pacers trade #15 Kawhii Leonard to the Spurs for George Hill (damn, Pacers). Kings traded all over the place, needed shooting, and ended up with Jimmer.

2012: Nothing to big, Wiz trade for Ariza I guess. 

2013: NOR trades #6 Nerlens Noel for Jrue Holiday (Damn, I know I’m not the only one who wanted to see a Noel/Davis future). Jazz trade for #27, Rudy Gobert. 

2014: Nuggets trade Fournier and #56 for Aaron Aflolo. Dallas traded for Tyson Chandler. Orlando and PHI swap, Magic get Payton, Sixers Saric and stash him for a year. Lakers send cash to the Wiz for #46 Jordan Clarkson

I guess the point I was trying to make with this post is that sometimes it’s not the big trades that really make a difference, and it’s the big trades that sometimes cripple your franchise or set it back (LA for TT, Leonard for Hill, OJ for Love, Noel for Jrue). Trades for later picks like Lawson, Rondo, Batum, and Gobert are the ones that don’t seem like it, but really payed off. As a Celtic fan this really gives me hope, because we don’t know how these guys will pan out, and later picks can still be worth gold if given time to perform.

I think we will see some trades as a lot of the teams are looking to make a big splash, and others look to unload. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Nuggets make a trade to unload Lawson/Chandler/Galo, and could see a team like the Jazz/Celtics being interested. 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 My question to the forum would be, when was the last draft where their wasn’t a big draft day trade? Or trade that changed the course of franchises? 

2006: Bulls trade #2 LeMarcus Aldride for…#4 Tyrus Thomas (damn, Bulls). Suns later that draft trade #21 Rajon Rondo to Boston. 

2007: Ray Allen for the #5 pick, Jeff Green.

2008: Minny Swaped picks, trading OJ Mayo for Kevin Love. The Blazers also traded the #27 and #33 pick for #25 Nicolas Batum

2009: Minny traded the #18 pick, Ty Lawson to the Denver Nuggets

2010: Thunder trade up into the lottery (this was huge at the time, because Cole not panning out led to a bunch of other moves by the Thunder), and also traded the #18 Eric Bledsoe to the Clippers

2011: Pacers trade #15 Kawhii Leonard to the Spurs for George Hill (damn, Pacers). Kings traded all over the place, needed shooting, and ended up with Jimmer.

2012: Nothing to big, Wiz trade for Ariza I guess. 

2013: NOR trades #6 Nerlens Noel for Jrue Holiday (Damn, I know I’m not the only one who wanted to see a Noel/Davis future). Jazz trade for #27, Rudy Gobert. 

2014: Nuggets trade Fournier and #56 for Aaron Aflolo. Dallas traded for Tyson Chandler. Orlando and PHI swap, Magic get Payton, Sixers Saric and stash him for a year. Lakers send cash to the Wiz for #46 Jordan Clarkson

I guess the point I was trying to make with this post is that sometimes it’s not the big trades that really make a difference, and it’s the big trades that sometimes cripple your franchise or set it back (LA for TT, Leonard for Hill, OJ for Love, Noel for Jrue). Trades for later picks like Lawson, Rondo, Batum, and Gobert are the ones that don’t seem like it, but really payed off. As a Celtic fan this really gives me hope, because we don’t know how these guys will pan out, and later picks can still be worth gold if given time to perform.

I think we will see some trades as a lot of the teams are looking to make a big splash, and others look to unload. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Nuggets make a trade to unload Lawson/Chandler/Galo, and could see a team like the Jazz/Celtics being interested. 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Good recap by the Celtics fan above +1 for that. One he forgot was in 2007 Brandan Wright to GSW with 8th pick which sent J-Rich to the then Charlotte Hornets.

Fun to think how things might have worked out if trades hadn’t been made – LMA on the 2006 Bulls might have meant they didn’t get D-Rose in 2008 and Ray Allen and KD in tandem would have been fun to watch.

I think all trade scenarios in the lottery wait until we have the draft lottery and know who will be picking where. Sam Hinkie will likely look to consolidate some of his 2nd rounders and will probably get the most calls from fellow Front Offices. 

An interesting GM to watch might be Kevin Pritchard at the Pacers, he was Mr draft day deal at Portland and with the Pacers in the lottery we might see KP trying to make a few changes. Apart from Paul George I would feel most of that roster has a legit asking price.

Sam Presti likewise being back in the lottery might be looking to make a few subtle moves.

A lot will depend if he Lakers or Knicks decide to go win now and trade their picks, I think we can assume a lot of the other top teams will draft.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Good recap by the Celtics fan above +1 for that. One he forgot was in 2007 Brandan Wright to GSW with 8th pick which sent J-Rich to the then Charlotte Hornets.

Fun to think how things might have worked out if trades hadn’t been made – LMA on the 2006 Bulls might have meant they didn’t get D-Rose in 2008 and Ray Allen and KD in tandem would have been fun to watch.

I think all trade scenarios in the lottery wait until we have the draft lottery and know who will be picking where. Sam Hinkie will likely look to consolidate some of his 2nd rounders and will probably get the most calls from fellow Front Offices. 

An interesting GM to watch might be Kevin Pritchard at the Pacers, he was Mr draft day deal at Portland and with the Pacers in the lottery we might see KP trying to make a few changes. Apart from Paul George I would feel most of that roster has a legit asking price.

Sam Presti likewise being back in the lottery might be looking to make a few subtle moves.

A lot will depend if he Lakers or Knicks decide to go win now and trade their picks, I think we can assume a lot of the other top teams will draft.

 

 

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 Good call on the point about Pritchard. Pacers actually have a few (although not all that attractive without George) assets to work with.

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 Good call on the point about Pritchard. Pacers actually have a few (although not all that attractive without George) assets to work with.

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Pacers moves will depend on whether Hibbert and West opt in. I guess West takes guaranteed $12 million uness he gets noises of a longer term deal from a legit contender. David West is seen as a great locker room presence and contenders would look at him but maybe more around deadline day.

Roy Hibbert as a decent defensive big will always have suitors but his trade value will be lower now than it was a year ago. I think he’ll opt in take guaranteed $15.5 million and look to put himself in the shop window next summer.

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Pacers moves will depend on whether Hibbert and West opt in. I guess West takes guaranteed $12 million uness he gets noises of a longer term deal from a legit contender. David West is seen as a great locker room presence and contenders would look at him but maybe more around deadline day.

Roy Hibbert as a decent defensive big will always have suitors but his trade value will be lower now than it was a year ago. I think he’ll opt in take guaranteed $15.5 million and look to put himself in the shop window next summer.

 

 

 

 

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 The Pacers’ Hibbert/West situation you describe reminds me of a rich man’s version of Charlotte’s situation with Jefferson/Henderson. The Pacers best case scenario have them getting a draft pick in a trade with a team looking to make the playoffs and stop aquiring rookies (Sacramento for example), while we would have to settle with trading our expirings to a contender for their pick.

[TripleDoubleScoutParticipant]

 The Pacers’ Hibbert/West situation you describe reminds me of a rich man’s version of Charlotte’s situation with Jefferson/Henderson. The Pacers best case scenario have them getting a draft pick in a trade with a team looking to make the playoffs and stop aquiring rookies (Sacramento for example), while we would have to settle with trading our expirings to a contender for their pick.

[toady_buddhaParticipant]

 First the big caveat, Thibs doesn’t get dumped. Having said that, Chicago goes all in on defense and trades Noah to Indiana for Hibbert. Indiana advances the smaller more mobile line-up they are talking about. Chicago get the defensive thumper (in theory anyway) to pair with Gasol a la the early days of Bynum in LA. Then Philly trades Noel to Mil, Mil trades Giannis to Chicago, Chicago trades Mirotic to Philly. Chicago now has a 6′-11" SF/ 7′-0" PF/ 7′-2" C who all play average or better defense. Pair that with Rose and Butler and you have a very interesting and physically imposing roster. Maybe they can wear other teams down faster then Thibs can ride them into dust. Now that Mil gets Parker back, they can afford to "lose" Giannis’ offense and instead add an elite rim protector. With Ersan playing a stretch 4, could be the next step for their development. Philly gets a clutch, underrated defensively stretch 4 to pair with Embiid for a seemingly much better fit in the front court. 

[toady_buddhaParticipant]

 First the big caveat, Thibs doesn’t get dumped. Having said that, Chicago goes all in on defense and trades Noah to Indiana for Hibbert. Indiana advances the smaller more mobile line-up they are talking about. Chicago get the defensive thumper (in theory anyway) to pair with Gasol a la the early days of Bynum in LA. Then Philly trades Noel to Mil, Mil trades Giannis to Chicago, Chicago trades Mirotic to Philly. Chicago now has a 6′-11" SF/ 7′-0" PF/ 7′-2" C who all play average or better defense. Pair that with Rose and Butler and you have a very interesting and physically imposing roster. Maybe they can wear other teams down faster then Thibs can ride them into dust. Now that Mil gets Parker back, they can afford to "lose" Giannis’ offense and instead add an elite rim protector. With Ersan playing a stretch 4, could be the next step for their development. Philly gets a clutch, underrated defensively stretch 4 to pair with Embiid for a seemingly much better fit in the front court. 

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