[NardDog NationParticipant]

 …his back injuries are confirmed? In recent years, we’ve seen surefire lottery picks like Jared Sullinger and Perry Jones III drop to the fringes of the first round. I doubt that happens to Embiid but the impact could be profound all the same.

[Afactor4Participant]

 Even if the back injuries are serious, multiple teams have multiple first round picks, meaning therefore that teams with like a 10th and 20th pick may be inclined to take a risk on Embiids talent with their early pick.

[Afactor4Participant]

 Even if the back injuries are serious, multiple teams have multiple first round picks, meaning therefore that teams with like a 10th and 20th pick may be inclined to take a risk on Embiids talent with their early pick.

[Ebown5Participant]

 First off, I don’t believe the report right now. Other sources say he was cleared, but even if his back isn’t healthy I still think he is a top 5 pick.

He is at least three notches above Sullinger and Jones as a prospect.

[Ebown5Participant]

 First off, I don’t believe the report right now. Other sources say he was cleared, but even if his back isn’t healthy I still think he is a top 5 pick.

He is at least three notches above Sullinger and Jones as a prospect.

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

 No way past Boston at 6

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

 No way past Boston at 6

[FutureNBAGMParticipant]

I think Boston would throw a parade if he fell to them.

[FutureNBAGMParticipant]

I think Boston would throw a parade if he fell to them.

[Neggedpastor]

if he starts to fall I don’t see him falling pass 10th no prospect in the top 6 is falling past 10th because the sixers would have a player they want with the 3rd pick and can risk the 10th pick on player like embiid.

as I said in another thread If their are red flags how many teams do you think will touch him? He hasn’t giving medical records to many teams if any at all and I think he only worked out for the cavs so far.

not working out for teams and having a red flag is slip territory if he gets red flagged and passed by bucks and sixers I think he starts to slip if the top teams don’t draft him that sends a huge message out saying “Do not draft me PLEASE DONT TOUCH ME DONT BE DAVID KHAN.
He wouldn’t get pass sixers or magic though because they already would have got what they wanted the rest is icing on the cake having 2 lotto picks.

randle is on slip watch and if the top 3 pass on him embiid is on slip watch.

[Neggedpastor]

if he starts to fall I don’t see him falling pass 10th no prospect in the top 6 is falling past 10th because the sixers would have a player they want with the 3rd pick and can risk the 10th pick on player like embiid.

as I said in another thread If their are red flags how many teams do you think will touch him? He hasn’t giving medical records to many teams if any at all and I think he only worked out for the cavs so far.

not working out for teams and having a red flag is slip territory if he gets red flagged and passed by bucks and sixers I think he starts to slip if the top teams don’t draft him that sends a huge message out saying “Do not draft me PLEASE DONT TOUCH ME DONT BE DAVID KHAN.
He wouldn’t get pass sixers or magic though because they already would have got what they wanted the rest is icing on the cake having 2 lotto picks.

randle is on slip watch and if the top 3 pass on him embiid is on slip watch.

[HitsterParticipant]

 I think that Lebrons Hairline has called it correctly, also factor in that Nerlens Noel only fell to 6th last year despite being in early recovery from an ACL injury.

A lot will depend on just how bad the rumoured red flags on Embiid’s back are as teams will have Greg Oden on their mind and with other good talent outside of the top 3 can they afford a risk.

The teams will do thorough research and workouts on a player like Embiid and they also have the best medical resources and trainers so again it depends on what their long term prognosis is and if they feel his reputed back issues, will improve, can be managed etc.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 I think that Lebrons Hairline has called it correctly, also factor in that Nerlens Noel only fell to 6th last year despite being in early recovery from an ACL injury.

A lot will depend on just how bad the rumoured red flags on Embiid’s back are as teams will have Greg Oden on their mind and with other good talent outside of the top 3 can they afford a risk.

The teams will do thorough research and workouts on a player like Embiid and they also have the best medical resources and trainers so again it depends on what their long term prognosis is and if they feel his reputed back issues, will improve, can be managed etc.

 

 

[burgessfourParticipant]

if he falls to 6 or so the sixers may even trade up to get him. Could walk out of the draft with Exum & Embiid

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Oh yeah, and what do the 76ers have to entice Boston into trading the 6th pick? Let me guess, Thad Young and the 10th pick and a pick in the 30’s? SMH.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Oh yeah, and what do the 76ers have to entice Boston into trading the 6th pick? Let me guess, Thad Young and the 10th pick and a pick in the 30’s? SMH.

[Ebown5Participant]

 Not that I’m saying that Boston should accept it, but we could also take Gerald Wallace off their hands which is one of the worst contracts in the league.

You have to understand that teams make deals often times for reasons that aren’t as simple as the value of the pieces exchanged in the deal. For example, sometimes a team may have their eye on another deal or free agent signing, that makes the opportunity to dump salary an asset.

What if the Sixers traded 10 and 33 for 6, but also took back enough salary for the Celtics to sign Carmelo Anthony outright, or took every bad contract that they had? That kind of deal could work, so don’t act like there is nothing to talk about unless we include Noel or MCW.

[Ebown5Participant]

 Not that I’m saying that Boston should accept it, but we could also take Gerald Wallace off their hands which is one of the worst contracts in the league.

You have to understand that teams make deals often times for reasons that aren’t as simple as the value of the pieces exchanged in the deal. For example, sometimes a team may have their eye on another deal or free agent signing, that makes the opportunity to dump salary an asset.

What if the Sixers traded 10 and 33 for 6, but also took back enough salary for the Celtics to sign Carmelo Anthony outright, or took every bad contract that they had? That kind of deal could work, so don’t act like there is nothing to talk about unless we include Noel or MCW.

[SOI47Participant]

 Magic jordan.. I’m not sure why your shaking your head that’s not such a bad deal.  I think it’s ridiculous you think moving up 4 spots in this draft from 10 to 6 would require much more than that.  

 

Hypothetically the most the 76ers could offer would be #10, Next year’s first round pick, a late 1st, That Young (good player in his prime with expiring contract that you can either resign or let go), AND the 76ers can offer to take some junk contracts of Boston books to help clear cap space for Boston.

 

The above would be a kings ransom for that trade and I personally wouldn’t do it if I was the 76ers.  The funny thing is the most I’d be willing to give up is what you offered in your post initially and shook your head at.  I don’t think the difference between #6 and #10 in this draft is all that much I’m very sorry but j just don’t see the gap in talent to justify a high value trade difference.

 

[SOI47Participant]

 Magic jordan.. I’m not sure why your shaking your head that’s not such a bad deal.  I think it’s ridiculous you think moving up 4 spots in this draft from 10 to 6 would require much more than that.  

 

Hypothetically the most the 76ers could offer would be #10, Next year’s first round pick, a late 1st, That Young (good player in his prime with expiring contract that you can either resign or let go), AND the 76ers can offer to take some junk contracts of Boston books to help clear cap space for Boston.

 

The above would be a kings ransom for that trade and I personally wouldn’t do it if I was the 76ers.  The funny thing is the most I’d be willing to give up is what you offered in your post initially and shook your head at.  I don’t think the difference between #6 and #10 in this draft is all that much I’m very sorry but j just don’t see the gap in talent to justify a high value trade difference.

 

[burgessfourParticipant]

if he falls to 6 or so the sixers may even trade up to get him. Could walk out of the draft with Exum & Embiid

[AwrightAwrightAwrightParticipant]

 He’s fully healthy,  so this point is moot.  Cleveland ESPN’s Tony Rizzo’s report is a pure smokescreen for the Cavs. 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 I never really understood the thought process of a smokescreen for a team sitting at #1. Either you take the injury risk player or you don’t simple as that. In situations like this the team make themselves look like fools for creating a bullsh*t suspense storyline.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 I never really understood the thought process of a smokescreen for a team sitting at #1. Either you take the injury risk player or you don’t simple as that. In situations like this the team make themselves look like fools for creating a bullsh*t suspense storyline.

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

This. Appears to be a smokescreen. They’re trying to convince Philly or Milwaukee that they’re going to select Wiggins or Parker in order to try and convince them to trade up so they can get something extra out of them and still get Embiid. 

All reports before this one have been saying Embiid’s back checked out fine and the Cavs are targeting Embiid at #1. Embiid will be looked at closely by Milwaukee and Philly and probably the other top 5 teams so we’ll see what their reports say. 

 

 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 That wouldn’t be enough for me as a GM. I would call their bluff if I’m either team sitting at #2 or #3 especially Milwaukee, because either way I see it Jabari Parker isn’t a terrible consolation prize if Cleveland does select Wiggins. As far as Philly taking the gamble of moving up, I don’t think it would be in their best interest to do so. After all Evan Turner was considered a sure thing after his NCAA season, and whomever decides to disagree with this statement are only fooling themseleves about how high his Draft stock was. 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 That wouldn’t be enough for me as a GM. I would call their bluff if I’m either team sitting at #2 or #3 especially Milwaukee, because either way I see it Jabari Parker isn’t a terrible consolation prize if Cleveland does select Wiggins. As far as Philly taking the gamble of moving up, I don’t think it would be in their best interest to do so. After all Evan Turner was considered a sure thing after his NCAA season, and whomever decides to disagree with this statement are only fooling themseleves about how high his Draft stock was. 

[SOI47Participant]

 Ok I’m sorry that’s ridiculous.  If Cleveland liked Embiid that much they would never do this and risk losing him especially with the bucks sitting at #2.  You have to realize.. 2 things.

 

 A. Embiid kept medical records private and hid them as long as possible and didn’t compete in the combine.  This is a no brainer.  The guy isn’t completely healthy.  This is just like the NFL wide receiver that competes at the combine for everything but the 40 yard dash.  Do you think he’s hiding something?  Obviously hiding that he’s a slow sprinter or else he would of competed.

 

B.  The 76ers and the Bucks will get to see the same medical information Cleveland does.  They will trust their doctors judgment not some rumor.  They will check for themselves.  If the 76ers love Embiid?  They will give Cleveland what they want and pretend to be going after Wiggins or Parker and draft Embiid anyway.  Guess what?  No Embiid for you cleveland.

 

Cleveland isn’t insane they wouldn’t take a chance like that.

[SOI47Participant]

 Ok I’m sorry that’s ridiculous.  If Cleveland liked Embiid that much they would never do this and risk losing him especially with the bucks sitting at #2.  You have to realize.. 2 things.

 

 A. Embiid kept medical records private and hid them as long as possible and didn’t compete in the combine.  This is a no brainer.  The guy isn’t completely healthy.  This is just like the NFL wide receiver that competes at the combine for everything but the 40 yard dash.  Do you think he’s hiding something?  Obviously hiding that he’s a slow sprinter or else he would of competed.

 

B.  The 76ers and the Bucks will get to see the same medical information Cleveland does.  They will trust their doctors judgment not some rumor.  They will check for themselves.  If the 76ers love Embiid?  They will give Cleveland what they want and pretend to be going after Wiggins or Parker and draft Embiid anyway.  Guess what?  No Embiid for you cleveland.

 

Cleveland isn’t insane they wouldn’t take a chance like that.

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

This. Appears to be a smokescreen. They’re trying to convince Philly or Milwaukee that they’re going to select Wiggins or Parker in order to try and convince them to trade up so they can get something extra out of them and still get Embiid. 

All reports before this one have been saying Embiid’s back checked out fine and the Cavs are targeting Embiid at #1. Embiid will be looked at closely by Milwaukee and Philly and probably the other top 5 teams so we’ll see what their reports say. 

 

 

[SOI47Participant]

 What’s the logic behind Cleveland setting off smoke screens they have the first pick it’s not like anyone can trade over them lol.  Use your common sense.

 

What good is it for Cleveland to smoke creep that embiid was hurt?  So they can hope to draft him?  If they want him they got him.  If anything it just hurts the value of their draft pick let’s be honest.  If they were trying to trade out then why crush one of the best prospects stock on the way to trying to negotiate a trade?

 

There’s no way they would be getting ballsy enough to try and get embiid at 3 if the six era trade up for wiggins.  The whole thing makes no sense.

 

My gut feeling is the reports are likely true that he is damaged goods.. why wouldn’t he release his medical reports?  If it was a bastion of shimmering light and depicted him as perfectly healthy you would of seen it released.  It wasnt.  He’s not totally healthy and there are obvious concerns about his back.

[SOI47Participant]

 What’s the logic behind Cleveland setting off smoke screens they have the first pick it’s not like anyone can trade over them lol.  Use your common sense.

 

What good is it for Cleveland to smoke creep that embiid was hurt?  So they can hope to draft him?  If they want him they got him.  If anything it just hurts the value of their draft pick let’s be honest.  If they were trying to trade out then why crush one of the best prospects stock on the way to trying to negotiate a trade?

 

There’s no way they would be getting ballsy enough to try and get embiid at 3 if the six era trade up for wiggins.  The whole thing makes no sense.

 

My gut feeling is the reports are likely true that he is damaged goods.. why wouldn’t he release his medical reports?  If it was a bastion of shimmering light and depicted him as perfectly healthy you would of seen it released.  It wasnt.  He’s not totally healthy and there are obvious concerns about his back.

[AwrightAwrightAwrightParticipant]

 He’s fully healthy,  so this point is moot.  Cleveland ESPN’s Tony Rizzo’s report is a pure smokescreen for the Cavs. 

[trelos6Participant]

 Embiid doesn’t fall past #1. It’s a lock

[Ebown5Participant]

 Ultimately, I agree. His spine would have to look like a question mark for him to fall past the Sixers at 3, and I don’t believe that there is anything wrong. If it were true that he failed his physical it would be all over the place because the last thing that the Cavs want is to explain why they passed on him.

Embiid’s actions will tell the story in the next week or so. If he starts working out with other teams then that would mean that he failed his physical because if he passed it he will be the first pick and will not need to work out anywhere else.

As a Sixers fan, I want Embiid twice as much as I want Wiggins or Parker, but I have crossed him off the list for us since he simply won’t fall to 3. If the Cavs pass on him, the Bucks won’t. I am now hoping that Wiggins falls to 3, which seems more and more likely, but still seems too good to be true for me to really believe it. Worst case scenario is that we take Parker and that is still an amazing result for this draft. 

 

[Ebown5Participant]

 Ultimately, I agree. His spine would have to look like a question mark for him to fall past the Sixers at 3, and I don’t believe that there is anything wrong. If it were true that he failed his physical it would be all over the place because the last thing that the Cavs want is to explain why they passed on him.

Embiid’s actions will tell the story in the next week or so. If he starts working out with other teams then that would mean that he failed his physical because if he passed it he will be the first pick and will not need to work out anywhere else.

As a Sixers fan, I want Embiid twice as much as I want Wiggins or Parker, but I have crossed him off the list for us since he simply won’t fall to 3. If the Cavs pass on him, the Bucks won’t. I am now hoping that Wiggins falls to 3, which seems more and more likely, but still seems too good to be true for me to really believe it. Worst case scenario is that we take Parker and that is still an amazing result for this draft. 

 

[AwrightAwrightAwrightParticipant]

There has yet to be any legitimate report that Embiid will be working out for any other teams. There are reports that the Cavs are slated to work out both Parker and Wiggins to cover all basis. Does this mean that Embiid has pretty much been told that he’s their guy. Things to make us go hmmm…..

[AwrightAwrightAwrightParticipant]

There has yet to be any legitimate report that Embiid will be working out for any other teams. There are reports that the Cavs are slated to work out both Parker and Wiggins to cover all basis. Does this mean that Embiid has pretty much been told that he’s their guy. Things to make us go hmmm…..

[Ebown5Participant]

 If he doesn’t work out for anyone else I think it means that he expects to go number 1. In 1996 Iverson only worked out for the Sixers. There must be some communication to that point from someone within the Cavs.

[Ebown5Participant]

 If he doesn’t work out for anyone else I think it means that he expects to go number 1. In 1996 Iverson only worked out for the Sixers. There must be some communication to that point from someone within the Cavs.

[trelos6Participant]

 Embiid doesn’t fall past #1. It’s a lock

[BallinmvpParticipant]

 I don’t see him getting past ORL and at the VERY worst Utah.

[BallinmvpParticipant]

 I don’t see him getting past ORL and at the VERY worst Utah.

[Jester87Participant]

If his back he’s messed up he still doesn’t go any lower than 5-6-7 at worst. Those picks are not as valuable as a top 3 pick and it’s worth the risk if the reward might be a top 3 center (if not the best) for the foreseeable future. Also teams like Boston, Utah, Sacramento, the Lakers could really use him, so it’s hard to think they would pass on Embiid. Comparisons with Sullinger are way off, Sullinger was considered a lottery pick, a lock for the top 10 by many, but was never in contention for the top pick nor was a lock for the top 3.

[Jester87Participant]

If his back he’s messed up he still doesn’t go any lower than 5-6-7 at worst. Those picks are not as valuable as a top 3 pick and it’s worth the risk if the reward might be a top 3 center (if not the best) for the foreseeable future. Also teams like Boston, Utah, Sacramento, the Lakers could really use him, so it’s hard to think they would pass on Embiid. Comparisons with Sullinger are way off, Sullinger was considered a lottery pick, a lock for the top 10 by many, but was never in contention for the top pick nor was a lock for the top 3.

[HitsterParticipant]

 All the top 3 players in the draft surely need to work out for the top 3 teams as with the draft order not being set in stone according to the majority of the top mock draft sites.

I would not see the reckoning for the Cavs to throw out a smokescreen about Embiid’s back as the other teams would do their own medical due dilligence and it would reduce his value in any trade up trade down scenarios.

With Sam Hinkie having so many draft picks then is David Griffin at the Cavs still looking to do a 10 and 3 for 1 trade I wonder. I would assume that is the Cavs asking price for any Philly trade up.

Griffin don’t forget worked for the Suns for many years before joining the Cavs and with the Suns having the widely regarded best medical and training staff in the NBA, Griffin would surely have contacts with some of those former staff who helped revitalise the likes of Grant Hill. So he could get them to look at all the Embiid data if there were major concerns and see what they thought or what regimes they could suggest. Also with him now running the show at the Cavs, he may well recruit some of those guys to help strengthen the Cavs training team.

The Cavs also have Big Z as an adviser who overcame a lot of early career injuries to become an all star so he can give another expert view on Embiid.

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 All the top 3 players in the draft surely need to work out for the top 3 teams as with the draft order not being set in stone according to the majority of the top mock draft sites.

I would not see the reckoning for the Cavs to throw out a smokescreen about Embiid’s back as the other teams would do their own medical due dilligence and it would reduce his value in any trade up trade down scenarios.

With Sam Hinkie having so many draft picks then is David Griffin at the Cavs still looking to do a 10 and 3 for 1 trade I wonder. I would assume that is the Cavs asking price for any Philly trade up.

Griffin don’t forget worked for the Suns for many years before joining the Cavs and with the Suns having the widely regarded best medical and training staff in the NBA, Griffin would surely have contacts with some of those former staff who helped revitalise the likes of Grant Hill. So he could get them to look at all the Embiid data if there were major concerns and see what they thought or what regimes they could suggest. Also with him now running the show at the Cavs, he may well recruit some of those guys to help strengthen the Cavs training team.

The Cavs also have Big Z as an adviser who overcame a lot of early career injuries to become an all star so he can give another expert view on Embiid.

 

 

 

 

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