How Do We Feel About Andrew Wiggins?

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How Do We Feel About Andrew Wiggins?

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He had a solid rookie year where he improved remarkably. I don't see him not becoming at least a repeat allstar, but how much do you think he can improve this year?

I had doubts about his ability fluidity/applicable athleticism, but his handle looks drastically improved from the workout video he posted this time last year.

If he can get to paul george ballhandling level ... LOOK OUT because his first step and explosiveness will be too much to handle.

I expect 21 ppg on 45% FG 34% 3p FG and 5 rebounds and 2 steals this year.


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Off topic, people put too

Off topic, people put too much emphasis on ball handling for wings, he or any wing needs to get from point A(arc) to point B(basket), this requires 1-3 dribbles MAX. Do not get me wrong handles are necessary ofcourse he needs it for different circumstances, but his shot creation and scoring ability depends on 1-3dribbles MAX to make a solid move and score off bounce. Its different for a player like Westbrooke or Harden.

This is just my opinion.

As for andrew wiggins he has a very bright future . its up to his mental make up wat he makes with his God given abilites.

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It's not really a matter of

It's not really a matter of total number of dribbles required to get to the basket that makes ball-handling an important skill for scorers. It's comfort level with the ball, ability to change directions, ability to be deceptive enough to bait a defender into going one direction in order to go the other direction, etc. Side-to-side agility is directly related to ball-handling and is necessary to separate from defenders and create space. Also, good ball-handlers know when to pick up their dribble when jump-stopping, they have a better sense of timing and rhythm on drives, and they turn the ball over less.

Watching NBA players who are mediocre ball-handlers is painful because there are so many situations in which their flaw is impossible to hide and it makes them so much less versatile.

That being said, I think Wiggins will be fine.

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I understand where you're coming from

However, I believe that the ability to handle the ball very well is what seperates the "really good" from the truly elite.

What made Kobe and TMac so damn good was their ability to create their own shot at will by using the dribble. Wiggins has their first step and even more leaping ability and length, so if he can improve his handle to a big below theirs, he can be a 25 ppg 7 rpg superstar two way player.

I think he definitely has the mental makeup, but his ability to utilize his athleticism more effectively and knock down the jumper at around 41% will make him a definite all nba player

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I'm interested in watching

I'm interested in watching Kelly Oubre's career in relation to Andrew Wiggins. Because talent-wise, it's a lot closer than people want to admit.

Oubre is the kind of super star who can just sit way behind the 3 point line and just knock them down over shorter SGs.

And tons of graceful glides to the bucket in transition.

Wiggins is a better ball handler, but he needs it more because of his shaky shot.

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Oubre ain't ever going to

Oubre ain't ever going to start over Porter or Beal, Wiggins is going to be an all-starter in the west one day...

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Okay I disagree

As someone who watched EVERY kansas game of Wiggins and Oubre's career. The fact that you guys are upvoting this comment to me is rediculous. This is such a premature assumption its insane.

He said Oubre "aint ever" going to start over Porter. How can you assume that? Oubre has a MUCH higher ceiling than Porter, are you already going to confidently assume that this 20 year old kid doesn't have it in him to become a better NBA player than Porter?

And referring to the comment before that, he was not as far off as you guys think. Was he wrong, yes but you guys took it too harshly.

Oubre without a doubt has all-star potential, could even be more than that. His length is more impressive than Wiggins, his three point shot is probably better than Wiggins was for his age. Their ball handling abilities were near the same skill level in college.

That being said, Wiggins is a cant miss prospect compared to Oubre who was drafted more as a high risk, high reward player.

This is because, Wiggins has top notch elite athletisim compared to Oubre's "good" athleticism. And the other is Wiggins has a better head on his sholders. Better basketball IQ, and more than likely a better work ethic and will to be great.

Do I think Oubre will be an All-star? Probably not, I dont know if he has the mental make up to push himself to put the work in. However if he can it would not surprise me at all if Oubre became a top 30 player in this league, there are not 30 players in this league with higher ceilings.

In summary: Way way too early to write Oubre off

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Obviously you are a KU fan,

Obviously you are a KU fan, but Oubre does not have a "high" ceiling. Oubre is a stiff, Porter was playing 30+ mpg on a team if wall didn't get injured, would have been in the East conference finals. SL doesn't mean jack either, Rice jr. had an even better SL last year than Oubre. Oubre is going to be a bust, and was one of the most frustrating players to watch in college basketball last season, don't know what you were watching last season.

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Non of these players impress me

Wiggins in 35 min a game but up Chandler Parson's #'s - he doesn't rebound, can't dribble enough to run an offense - he's a solid scoring option 20+ a game on a Bad team but there was a reason Cleveland was going to take Embiid & STILL tried to trade down to # 3 to take him... Wiggins is Very passive & he's Rudy Gay at best... Even said though Wiggins is FAR superior than Oubre or Porter - I saw Porter play live against Phila & it was Crazy that he was drafted ahead of Noel -

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T-Rex...outside the box

T-Rex...outside the box thinking is one thing, but the difference between the two talent-wise is about where everybody thinks it is...large.

I think Wiggins has a chance to be a top-10 player in the league. He fits the mold of a prototype 2-way wing player. I don't see him being a dominant offensive player, who can put up 25-30 ppg consistently, but I think he can average in the 20-23 range in his prime.

I love the George comparison, though Wiggins isn't as 3-ball heavy. Considering where he's at in comparison by age, Wiggins is well on his way to getting to an elite level within the next two years.

Next step is to improve the shooting range, and individual defense along with doing more than scoring. He needs to average more than 4 rebounds and 1.5 assists.

I want to see 18-20 points, 5-6 rebounds, 3.5 assists and above 35% 3-point efficiency on a higher volume than last year, even just attempt 3.5 a game, if he threatens teams deep, he's going to be really difficult to stop for most guys.

He's gotta prove that his play can help translate to wins too. If the Wolves don't at least win 10-15 more games this year --barring ridiculous injuries which seem to plague them a lot-- people will accuse him of putting up empty numbers. At some point, he's gotta show he can make winning plays and lead a team to wins. Not asking for a playoff team yet, or even a playoff contender late into the year, just the ability to elevate a young team to some wins that they might not have gotten in previous years.

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You guys are

You guys are under-appreciating the natural shooting touch advantage that Oubre has over Wiggins and most other players.

I don't see a lot of guys here specifically predicting that Wiggins will turn into a good 3 point shooter.

Just a lot of vague declarations of his superiority.

Oubre's length, shooting touch, and leaping quickness is almost unmatched in the NBA. Kevin Durant, yeah.

Oubre's going to develop sick touch on all his unblockable floaters around the rim. All based off attacking close-outs. Which will abound, especially next to John Wall and Beal.

I don't think Washington is the best team for a guy with questionable work ethic, but I think he'll be just fine, and he clearly wants to be great. If only for the photo shoots, lol.

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2015-16: borderline all-star,

2015-16: borderline all-star, barely making the cut or barely not making it.

2016-17: all-star, all-NBA 3rd or 2nd team.

2017-25?: MVP candidate

He has always had all the talent in the world and ever since his first year at Kansas, he's been getting all the motivation in the world. LeBron basically saying I don't believe in you and trading him. a lot of people saying "jabari is going to be better". During draft workouts people were trying to claim Embiid as the #1 pick.

I hope to see the Jazz continue to improve, Pelicans get the right team around AD, and Timberwolves keep their young core. Wiggins trying to dunk on Gobert consistently was one of my favorite games all year.

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He can be whatever he wants

He can be whatever he wants to be. Hes as athletic as anyone who ever played in the NBA.

Hes the only guy who can take Lavines Dunk Title.

Hes going to score a lot too. 25+ ppg if Rubio's still the PG in 2 years.

So...if you cant see superstar...your glasses need to be unfogged.

I think Minny will overtake the clippers soon for the new Lob City.

THROW IT ANYWHERE UP THERE!

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Im shocked nobody thinks he

Im shocked nobody thinks he can be a legit mvp candidate in 2-3 years...the talent is obviously there and the rapid pace he is improving at is quite impressive...

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He has the talent no doubt..I

He has the talent no doubt..I know he's young but I've yet to see that "dog" mentality..

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You should have watched

You should have watched Wolves games past Christmas.... He quieted a lot of those perceptions.

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2nd half of season began to

2nd half of season began to change that thought. Him trying to dunk on everyone the last 2 months of the season cemented that change.

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I'd like to see him improve

I'd like to see him improve on the defensive end. He has all the physical tools to be one of the best defenders in the NBA over the next decade. It's just a matter of focus and commitment. His game was still very raw offensively last season and he relied a lot on pure athleticism rather than skill. Quite frankly, his stats were inflated due to the fact that he played on a terrible team. His outside shooting, ball-handling and decision making are all areas that need improvement. I'm not ready to predict he'll be an all-star this year, partly because I don't see Minnesota being good enough to warrant serious consideration in the west. However, his potential is through the roof and the sky is the limit as long as he puts the work in and avoids injuries.

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I think he has a chance to be

I think he has a chance to be a pretty good, but just because he put up relatively good stats does not mean he will be a superstar in 2-3 years as suggested by the posts above. Wiggins had some of the poorest advanced stats in comparison to other ROY's, so it will be interesting to see if those improve this year. I personally think he has alot of work to do with his game and mentally before we can even discuss him becoming a superstar.

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I don't mind that poor

I don't mind those poor advanced stats numbers that he had throughout the season. The most notable study was with Neil Paine and FiveThirtyEight and how there is discontent on how to evaluate high-volume scorers. Although, when you look at the list of subsequent Rookie of the Year winners, it wasn't like if you scored poorly that you wouldn't end up a superstar. The lists that were given had guys who'd end up as Hall of Famers and superstars sort of all over the place once in the middle with Patrick Ewing, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose and Mitch Richmond, amongst other, consistently at the bottom. The closest actually being Durant.

Now, Paine pointed out that there might be a correlation between your surrounding teammates and how your advance stats will end up being, though he said that with the stats given that correlation typically is a small amount. However, Wiggins might have been in the group that was effected the most with the level of talent that he was surrounded by due to level of scoring workload. This where situations like Durant and Wiggins made me see similarities given that both were 19 year olds thrusted into high usagage situations on terrible teams. But even that made me scratch my head because guys at the bottom as well, like Michael Carter-Williams, Ernie Digregorio and Phil Ford were high usage players and bad teams too but that didn't seem to translate into stars, although Digregorio and Ford both suffered injuries early into their careers. So, I just took it all at a grain of salt basically.

What I saw of Andrew Wiggins, given his skillset, athleticism and size, makes me feel very confident that he'll be a top ten player in the next five years. Coming out of Kansas, I felt he'd be good, probably a top 15-20 player and whatever a taller and rangier Demar DeRozan would be but he actually went above and beyond that in his rookie season in my opinion, given that his ball-movement and decision making were quick even though his assist-to-turnover ratio wasn't that great and for much of the season he was an above-average shooter at 35% until he took a nose-dive in March and April and all package in that otherworldly athleticism and strong length. Nevertheless, he made me feel pretty confident in his path to superstardom.

The ball-handling is very important though. We aren't just talking about "Point A being the arc and Point B being the basket" dribble ability because he shouldn't just limit himself to attacking the basket all day. Midrange attempts will be needed and learning to create space and overall shot-creation from wherever is what'll separate him into a different stratosphere as Andrew1984 and Pro-21 eluded to.

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Wiggins could well get to

Wiggins could well get to 20ppg next season, if Rubio stays sound he'll have someone to create for him and as Wiggins ball handling improves he'll be able to create his own shot more too.

With KG on the roster he'll have someone to really drive him on and give tips on defence and those small things that make a good player an elite player.

I think next season may be a year too early for him to make the All Star game unless T-Wolves improve out of all recognition or Wiggins has a spectacular early season but I'd bet on him being on the 2017 All Star roster.

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I feel Wiggins is in a great

I feel Wiggins is in a great place. Minnesota needs a star to lead the team and Wiggins seems to have the talent and drive to be the star the Timberwolves need.

He's got a great motivational player in KG there, a floor general in Rubio who can effectively get him the ball, some good young talent on the roster who'll develop along with him....If Wiggins has the drive to be as good as he has the potential to be (which it appears he does), he's in the right place to make it happen imo.

As to how much he'll improve? I think he'll establish himself as the clear number 1 option on the team, showing improvements on both ends.

Won't take a punt on his stats, but needless to say a much improved Wiggins will hit the floor come season opener.

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The people on here are

The people on here are nit-picking flaws...but if you can't see a future All NBA first-teamer then you obviously cant identify talent.

The question isn't about if he will be a top 10 player in a few years...but where he will rank in the top 10.

I'm saying around 3 or 4... because I like Davis, Simmons more out of the younger crop.

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The skill that separates Wiggins

Post game, he did have the most amount of post ups for a non big. This separates him from the Derozan or Gerald Green comps. The most accurate is in the mold of Clyde Drexler. His defense is coming along, he stayed in front of his man and contested shots. There's a post I can link later from Vantage Sports that talks about stats like staying in front of their man.

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The Timberwolves should

The Timberwolves should around 25 games next year.

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