How Do LeBron’s Teammates Not Hate Him?

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How Do LeBron’s Teammates Not Hate Him?

We all know basketball is a business and players get traded. But how often does one player get so much of a say as LeBron? I’m sure that was a deal Magic made with LeBron when he showed up: we’ll trade away and for whoever you want (if we can).

Okay, you get one player traded and maybe a few guys get upset. But LeBron just tried to ship out every guy on his team and the next day they have to go to work and look at his face. I’m sorry, I wouldn’t be too cool about that no matter who it was.

LeVar Ball has shut up all year, since LeBron showed up. I’m sure LeBron told him that he’ll get Lonzo traded if LeVar talks too much. Now that he helped try to get Lonzo shipped out, he’s lost that trust and LeVar’s back on the mic telling everyone that LeBron isn’t a leader because no one follows him.

So did LeBron just shoot himself in the foot and embarrass himself or is this a bump on the road?


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It’s Spelled Lavar. Show the

It’s Spelled Lavar. Show the Big Baller some respect!

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I will do no such thing.

I will do no such thing.

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Like him or not LeBron is one

Like him or not LeBron is one of the best players of all time...his teammates love him because his presence on the floor makes them look better than they actually are

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What?

Why so many negatives? I hate LeBron. I'm a Celtic fan, why wouldn't I? Yet come on now, he's going to take a lottery team to the playoffs. Look how they did when he went out. You can hate him, but you have to respect the player. Now LeBron the GM has really hurt him, might have cost him a few titles. Great player, but he has no clue how to build a team.

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I've never understood how

I've never understood how someone could tolerate being LeBron's teammate for the past 8ish years -- Yeah, winning the East would be fun, but as his teammate would be tough unless you're in his circle. I would not be able to be his teammate assuming I was a starting caliber NBA player. Not only because he might ship me for whoever else at any time. But it's very clear that he makes most of his teammates worse by how he plays. Before you neg me out of this world, hear me out. Yes, he averages a lot of assists for a forward and is a great passer, but that's mostly because the ball is in his hands nearly the entire game. And high assists doesn't necessarily mean you make your teammates better. In my opinion, he's the greatest talent of all-time and he should have the ball in his hands more than anyone on his team. But he needs the ball in his hands more than he should because he has no off-ball skills; he doesn't move well without the ball, he doesn't screen well consistantly, and he has improved, but still isn't a great spot up shooter. I'm not trying to hate to be a hater, but even the greatest talent and more-than-likely the eventual statistics GOAT has his flaws. And he doesn't make his teammates the least bit better most of the time because his style of play. This is why when he isn't playing, his team plays so poor. Because they never get into a rythym when he's on the floor throughout the season. I know, part of the reason his teams lose more when he's out is because LeBron simply isn't on the floor and he's as good as he is, but his current and past teams other than his first stint in Cleveland are well talented enough to be above .500 when he isn't playing. But they aren't even close because the negative effect his style of play has on them. That's why a team like Toronto is still able to perform well even when Kawhi isn't playing. Kawhi doesn't average as many assists, but he makes his teammates better by being effective off the ball and on the ball alike. Again, LeBron is an unbelievable player and talent, but it would bother the heck outta me to he's teammate the latter half of his career.

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I posted a similar reply last

I posted a similar reply last year. I don't understand where the narrative comes from that he makes others better. If you're a star player, you have to defer. Wade, Bosh, Love, Irving - all had to sacrifice parts of their game and change to accommodate James. That doesn't sound like he makes others better.

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ok so obviously he's not

ok so obviously he's not gonna make an all time great who needs the ball in his hands (D-wade) even better than he already was. The same goes for the other stars you mentioned, its hard to make great players better. But what he can do is make average players play well. Look at the following list:

Boobie Gibson

Sasha Pavlovic

Mo Williams

JJ Hickson

Anderson Varejao

Mario Chalmers

Norris Cole

Matthew Dellavedova

JR Smith

Timofey Mozgov

All of these are players that the average NBA fan probably knows, were considered good players (most of them were starting five on championship caliber teams) , some were even held in very high regard ( I think the cavs said "no" for hickson for Amaré Stoudemire) and lots of them got paid pretty good.

What else do they have in common? All the good in their careers happened with LeBron, and they basically were nobodys without him (JR had potential and was pretty good for the knicks and mo Williams had a few decent seasons)

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Well over half of your list

Well over half of your list was from LeBron's first time in Cleveland where I said that time was exempt for me. I think he truly did elevate that team and those players almost single-handedly. And he didn't have the pull then that he does now to get players or even coaches out of the organization. So I wouldn't have minded being on his team then if I were an NBA player. Also was upset until the parenthesis about JR. JR Smith was a high-end talent coming into the league with his skill and athleticism until his later years. I would consider his career average, but he is much more talented than his career showed. The others on the list could definitely qualify as average imo.

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He might not make his

He might not make his teammates better individually but he does make his team better.

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I agree with everything

I agree with everything you've wrote and I've been writing it on this site for years.

LeBron only elevates the play of role players. Players who can catch and shoot/don't mind standing in the corner, space the floor, P&P/P&R bigs, etc. He doesn't make superstars or just anybody who plays with the ball better. He actually makes them worse in my opinion. The reason why is because he's so ball dominant and his game is built on isolation/hero ball. Every superstar player he's ever played with had to sacrifice their game and was basically made to be a role player. IF that superstar wasn't sacrificing (Kyrie Irving in CLE), then it was more of a situation where him and LeBron were taking turns . . . Not necesarily playing together and a free-flowing way.

If you have a team full of role players, then LeBron would be GREAT for that team. He could lead them to 50 wins and a great chance to reach the Finals. However, *more times than not*, they'll lose when they finally run into a great team. If you have a team with other stars, I'd rather have Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard or Stephen Curry. Reason is because they have less holes in their offensive game and you don't really have to sacrifice your game to play with them. You don't have to make your ENTIRE offensive system based on them because their games are so well-rounded. They can move without the ball, catch and shoot, shoot the one or two dribble pull-up, score in several different spots on the floor, etc. With LeBron, you know it's mostly going to be heavy isolation/hero ball while you stand in a corner watching/waiting for a kick out. That is predictable. LeBron will always get his numbers, but it's not always the best way to win championships. Then the narrative is, "LeBron doesn't have enough help."

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Depends which teammates your

Depends which teammates your referring to. I gaurantee Tristan Thompson doesnt hate him.

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Single handedly

LeBron can Single handedly drag a horrible team lile the Lakers into the playoffs, whats not to like.

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It's almost a "deal with the devil" situation. There's no doubt that most players publicy say that their goal is "win, compete for rings" so on that level there is no other player that can bring that successful track record to the table like LBJ. Those players, while not necessarily better, can at least claim that they are champions or finalists -- probably they do not accomplish this if not for a certain LBJ. That said, it would be tough, and no question for me, I would not truly enjoy playng alongside the Kobe, MJ, LBJ type. I've experienced that on a lower level, and though we get wins, it's not much fun to know you are a fungible, to get blasted for mistakes, to get "the look", but to never that person be held accountable to the same thing.

I feel for the young guns, but now they need to show that they are worth keeping. They'll need to overcome the past week and mend with LBJ if any hope of making some noise in the West. They did show up in Boston so let's see what happens with the revamped 76ers. Right now, the other champ vet, Rondo, is clearly their leader.

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It's dumbfounding to me what

It's dumbfounding to me what some good basketball minds are saying on this thread.

Lebron making Irving, Bosh, Love all worse? No, they had to sacrifice for team success and guess what? Playing with Lebron got them all rings. Did any of those guys even make the playoffs before Lebron? Some are happy to do so (Bosh), others will naturally want the spotlight (Irving). I don't think it is an indictment on Lebron that some will takes statistical hits when playing with him, it's obviously going to happen.

Lebron as the focal point of an offense is a proven commodity; he has made the finals 9 times in a row and would have more rings if he didn't run into probably the best team in history over the last few years.

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I mean, is it really any

I mean, is it really any different than what Kevin Durant said? Is it different than what Paul George said?

Nobody is questioning LeBron's greatness or his resume of leading his teams to the NBA Finals in the Eastern Conference. What's being questioned is if he gets the max out of All-Star caliber teammates due to his style of play. The same can be said about James Harden. Playing with him isn't going to be for everybody. The same has been said about Russell Westbrook, but not as much this season.

Not all sacrifice is the same IMO. For example, everybody with the Warriors are sacrificing statistics, but I don't see anyone sacrificing their actual games. Like Steph isn't standing in a corner. KD isn't standing in a corner. Klay isn't standing in a corner. Nobody is being asked to play a lmited to role. Everybody is playing THEIR game, but the ball just finds the open guy. Everybody can play off of one another. With LeBron, he's going to dominate the ball/isolate and you're going to have to fit into a role. Not every star/superstar caliber player thrives under that. Bosh sacrificed more than statistics in Miami. He sacrificed who he was as a player. The same can be said about Love in CLE.

I don't think playing with LeBron is for everybody, despite his success as a player.

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What I’m saying, sorry why

What I’m saying, is why don’t we see LeBron sacrifice for the good of the team? Why is it everyone else has to sacrifice? Maybe LeBrons teams would have been better had he taken a step back and let others take over more?

I don’t think his ego would let him sacrifice to be honest.

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Didn't Kobe often talk about

Didn't Kobe often talk about having his team mates traded - Bynum never really felt part of being a Laker and even Pau I think Kobe mentioned about moving. LBJ pushed for K-Love in Cleveland but look at that team with or without LBJ. Plus none of the Lakers rookies have looked a cannot miss prospect who could get the team mates behind him and say him or me if an LBJ character overstepped their mark.

It would be interesting if another younger top FA went to LA this summer and then in a year or two's time wrestled the team from LBJ and they have another Shaq and Kobe type situation.

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www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/2

www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23684417/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-does-lebron-james-make-teammates-better

Lebron is bad for people who operate with the ball. It's actually really simple.

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