[aivsdirkParticipant]

Okay Atlanta you debating if you should let go of jSmoove, then you sign millsaP for 2 years19mil. Whats the difference? Both are hybrid forwards that can play the 3or4. Both play very good defense and millsap’s rebound numbers were down this year but he can rival smoove’s rebounding. They both impact the game on all levels. The only differences are Jsmoove is a better passer and millsap is a better shooter, well takes better, more efficient shots at least. Besides that millsap is more suited to be a 4 and smoove a 3. still would pick jsmoove though high iq, just over thinks sometimes, maybe often is a better word than sometimes but whatever. Why let your hometown forward go in free agency just to bring in a clone, im flabbergasted.?

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

Disagree with you because your aivsdirk and nobody likes you. I remember you having like 500 dislikes in just one forum. Amazing youreva legend.

[BrentSuriaga01Participant]

Disagree with you because your aivsdirk and nobody likes you. I remember you having like 500 dislikes in just one forum. Amazing youreva legend.

[CavsFan07Participant]

Perhaps you’re just trolling, as usual, but I’ll comment.

First off, cost. Josh Smith thinks he deserves almost max money, which is just simply not the case. 2 years/19 million for Millsap is a great price for a very solid 3/4 in this league.

Next, he’s a much better fit next to Horford. Millsap is much more disciplined offensively with a more consistent shot (mainly based on taking smarter shots). Smith tries to play the 3 but realistically he fits better at the 4 because he does not have a consistent shot.

[CavsFan07Participant]

Perhaps you’re just trolling, as usual, but I’ll comment.

First off, cost. Josh Smith thinks he deserves almost max money, which is just simply not the case. 2 years/19 million for Millsap is a great price for a very solid 3/4 in this league.

Next, he’s a much better fit next to Horford. Millsap is much more disciplined offensively with a more consistent shot (mainly based on taking smarter shots). Smith tries to play the 3 but realistically he fits better at the 4 because he does not have a consistent shot.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

cavsfan I don’t know what trolling is because I don’t think its a definition but we do agree on the shot taking selection, but statistically look at the hawks success with jsmoove playing the 3. Its a fact they get more rebounds when horford can plays the 4, his natural position. how many playoffs have they gotten outrebounded because horford is a 4 and smith is on the perimeter. they would have had a chance against indy in the playoffs if pachulia was healthy at the center spot as well. jsmoov also doent have the post moves or strength to body natural 4s is been shown. if jsmoove( lets throw mBeasley in this sentence as well)can take lessons from LeBron and take better shots and when he is at the 3 use his athleticism and size to over power smaller guys he can reach his potential. We already know jsmoove wants max dollars, but who said the hawks have to give it to em? I dont remember Jsmoove ever saying if he doesn’t get a max contract hes leaving, correct me if im wrong.
So you play horford a 4 along side millsap a 4? wow, if the both at the bigs they still get outrebounded just like when smoove was there. Think about it. if they resign pachulia which they should, and he in the game at center and millsap at the 3 he going to get torched by quicker smaller, more athletic small forwards, in the east alone going against rudy gay, paul George and danny granger, melo and LeBron. same team atleast jsmoove more aggressive and younger

[aivsdirkParticipant]

cavsfan I don’t know what trolling is because I don’t think its a definition but we do agree on the shot taking selection, but statistically look at the hawks success with jsmoove playing the 3. Its a fact they get more rebounds when horford can plays the 4, his natural position. how many playoffs have they gotten outrebounded because horford is a 4 and smith is on the perimeter. they would have had a chance against indy in the playoffs if pachulia was healthy at the center spot as well. jsmoov also doent have the post moves or strength to body natural 4s is been shown. if jsmoove( lets throw mBeasley in this sentence as well)can take lessons from LeBron and take better shots and when he is at the 3 use his athleticism and size to over power smaller guys he can reach his potential. We already know jsmoove wants max dollars, but who said the hawks have to give it to em? I dont remember Jsmoove ever saying if he doesn’t get a max contract hes leaving, correct me if im wrong.
So you play horford a 4 along side millsap a 4? wow, if the both at the bigs they still get outrebounded just like when smoove was there. Think about it. if they resign pachulia which they should, and he in the game at center and millsap at the 3 he going to get torched by quicker smaller, more athletic small forwards, in the east alone going against rudy gay, paul George and danny granger, melo and LeBron. same team atleast jsmoove more aggressive and younger

[aivsdirkParticipant]

figures but you have 188 posts and only 187 points meaning your posts and responses added up are very basic, people may not agree with me but I prefer to realized the truth nobody else sees beyond the obvious, other than tht clippers,djordan idea which I forgot clippers already amnestied gomes and admitted my mistake but seriously if we disagree on anything moving forward I just want you and everybody to know this, “Don’t worry, be happy, every little thing is gonna be alright” yea mon!!

[aivsdirkParticipant]

figures but you have 188 posts and only 187 points meaning your posts and responses added up are very basic, people may not agree with me but I prefer to realized the truth nobody else sees beyond the obvious, other than tht clippers,djordan idea which I forgot clippers already amnestied gomes and admitted my mistake but seriously if we disagree on anything moving forward I just want you and everybody to know this, “Don’t worry, be happy, every little thing is gonna be alright” yea mon!!

[bebopParticipant]

You may want to consider investing in some writing classes, because no one has any idea what the fuck you’re talking about. That’s why you get negged so much.

[bebopParticipant]

You may want to consider investing in some writing classes, because no one has any idea what the fuck you’re talking about. That’s why you get negged so much.

[SiggyParticipant]

Millsap is a better player on a cheaper contract. Smith wants the max or at least close to it. Millsap just signed for 9.5 a yr. They’re roughly the same age. Millsap plays harder and smarter, Has the higher career PER, higher career TS (by far), higher WS, better RAPM, better career rebounding rate, is not TO prone, is a good defender as well, is stronger in the post, can knock down the mid-range J, can hit FTs, is more coachable and he doesn’t act like a spoiled, petulant child when things don’t go his way. His weakness as a player, Smith has too: they’re both undersized at the 4 (no, Smith his not better suited for the 3).
Smith’s pros hardly outweigh his cons, if they do at all. They certainly don’t outweigh his cons to the tune of a max or near max contract. Millsap hardly has any cons. He’s just a good, solid all-around two way player. He’s great value at 9.5 a yr for only 2 yrs in his prime. Better value than what Smith has at a max or near max contract that’s for sure.

[SiggyParticipant]

Millsap is a better player on a cheaper contract. Smith wants the max or at least close to it. Millsap just signed for 9.5 a yr. They’re roughly the same age. Millsap plays harder and smarter, Has the higher career PER, higher career TS (by far), higher WS, better RAPM, better career rebounding rate, is not TO prone, is a good defender as well, is stronger in the post, can knock down the mid-range J, can hit FTs, is more coachable and he doesn’t act like a spoiled, petulant child when things don’t go his way. His weakness as a player, Smith has too: they’re both undersized at the 4 (no, Smith his not better suited for the 3).
Smith’s pros hardly outweigh his cons, if they do at all. They certainly don’t outweigh his cons to the tune of a max or near max contract. Millsap hardly has any cons. He’s just a good, solid all-around two way player. He’s great value at 9.5 a yr for only 2 yrs in his prime. Better value than what Smith has at a max or near max contract that’s for sure.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

all that stats math crap don’t mean nothing to me siggy. all that does is when players suit up and tie up the sneakers. per don’t matter I don’t even know what the rest of that other stuff is. I know you gone understand this siggy. Lebron has hardly has a high player effiency in his finals career. almost 6turnovers per game in his first finals, horrible against mavs, good against thunder, decent in most of the games against spurs but through all these finals he still considered the best player in the world, those nba math stats might mean something to ordinary people but I rather watch with my eyes to understand who better and who can play or not.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

all that stats math crap don’t mean nothing to me siggy. all that does is when players suit up and tie up the sneakers. per don’t matter I don’t even know what the rest of that other stuff is. I know you gone understand this siggy. Lebron has hardly has a high player effiency in his finals career. almost 6turnovers per game in his first finals, horrible against mavs, good against thunder, decent in most of the games against spurs but through all these finals he still considered the best player in the world, those nba math stats might mean something to ordinary people but I rather watch with my eyes to understand who better and who can play or not.

[SiggyParticipant]

Fine, you watch with your eyes you’ll see that Josh Smith is a liability on offense and makes boneheaded decisions on both ends of the floor, often times in key situations.

As a Bulls fan I’d be sad to see Smith go if he left the Eastern Conference. I’ll miss the lulz and I’ll miss the dumbass plays that shifted the balance towards the Bulls in key moments.

Don’t ever use a LeBron analogy when trying to defend Josh Smith. LeBron can afford his mistakes because he’s the best player in the world. Josh Smith’s mistakes are more magnified because he’s a far lesser player and because they are consistently a huge part of his game.

[SiggyParticipant]

Fine, you watch with your eyes you’ll see that Josh Smith is a liability on offense and makes boneheaded decisions on both ends of the floor, often times in key situations.

As a Bulls fan I’d be sad to see Smith go if he left the Eastern Conference. I’ll miss the lulz and I’ll miss the dumbass plays that shifted the balance towards the Bulls in key moments.

Don’t ever use a LeBron analogy when trying to defend Josh Smith. LeBron can afford his mistakes because he’s the best player in the world. Josh Smith’s mistakes are more magnified because he’s a far lesser player and because they are consistently a huge part of his game.

[kobyzParticipant]

hey hey! calm down with the negative on Josh Smith, he still was the best player on a playoff team and he is still better player overall than Milsap(who could be better suited to some team because of fit but not overall)… a little proportion please!

[SiggyParticipant]

No. Horford>> Josh Smith too.

[kobyzParticipant]

and two years ago when Horford was injured most of the season and Smith carry them to the playoff?!?!

[aivsdirkParticipant]

i agree with you 100% kobyz but bruh dont worry you cant have a sensible debate with people who thought process is ordinary. theses guys cant think outside the box because they think like evrybody else dont you know that? they cant see josh smith is obviously the hawks best player. plus to whoever compared smith to horford come on im a florida gator fan but horford is borderline all-star from year to year jsmoove is top 15 talent if he playing at his best is just with his bad plays he too consistently seems like a guy rated 40-50 in the league.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

i agree with you 100% kobyz but bruh dont worry you cant have a sensible debate with people who thought process is ordinary. theses guys cant think outside the box because they think like evrybody else dont you know that? they cant see josh smith is obviously the hawks best player. plus to whoever compared smith to horford come on im a florida gator fan but horford is borderline all-star from year to year jsmoove is top 15 talent if he playing at his best is just with his bad plays he too consistently seems like a guy rated 40-50 in the league.

[PistonsFan22Participant]

Carried?? Pretty sure Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague helped them make the playoffs in the weak Eastern Conference that season.

[PistonsFan22Participant]

Carried?? Pretty sure Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague helped them make the playoffs in the weak Eastern Conference that season.

[kobyzParticipant]

and two years ago when Horford was injured most of the season and Smith carry them to the playoff?!?!

[SiggyParticipant]

No. Horford>> Josh Smith too.

[kobyzParticipant]

hey hey! calm down with the negative on Josh Smith, he still was the best player on a playoff team and he is still better player overall than Milsap(who could be better suited to some team because of fit but not overall)… a little proportion please!

[aivsdirkParticipant]

You sound judgementally biased in favoritcism towards lebron bruh. someone can afford more mistakes than another? you know what lebron did in key moments of playoff games before(JOINING) wade and bosh as well as advertising some of the best veterans in the game to come to south beach? big mistakes just like jsmoove, you what they both achieved before lebron went to south beach, no ring. I thought i stated if jsmoove learned from lebron and took his game closer to the basketball and took more efficient perimeter shots he would be the player he can be. You seem like a lebron fan so let me state this didnt many loyal lebron fans wait on lebron to mature and refine his game. Why so negative to jsmoove hes only 27 cant you give him time to do the same thing?
Its clear siggy we gone disagree on this but let me leave you with this. Remember i said this and it only applies if atl resigns pachulia and devin harris or jeff teague. The hawks will not be better this year with milsap instead of jsmoove. Same amount of wins maybe 1 or 2 more or less, but they get bouced out of the playoffs 4-1 this year if they make it. Step down from only losing to the pacers who they pushed to six without pachulia and lou williams. Remember

[SiggyParticipant]

Yes, LeBron can afford his mistakes because he is an infinitely better player so he can make up for his mistakes by making other plays

Josh Smith doesn’t just need to take his game close to the rim, he needs to be AT the rim. You realize that when he’s not shooting the ball at the rim he shoots 32% from the rest of the floor. That is God awful.

As a Bulls fan, I hate LeBron, but real recognize real.

The Hawks goal as a team shouldn’t be to be better. They should try to suck which is why this signing doesn’t make much sense for them unless they plan on flipping Millsap when he’s trade eligible.

[SiggyParticipant]

Yes, LeBron can afford his mistakes because he is an infinitely better player so he can make up for his mistakes by making other plays

Josh Smith doesn’t just need to take his game close to the rim, he needs to be AT the rim. You realize that when he’s not shooting the ball at the rim he shoots 32% from the rest of the floor. That is God awful.

As a Bulls fan, I hate LeBron, but real recognize real.

The Hawks goal as a team shouldn’t be to be better. They should try to suck which is why this signing doesn’t make much sense for them unless they plan on flipping Millsap when he’s trade eligible.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

You sound judgementally biased in favoritcism towards lebron bruh. someone can afford more mistakes than another? you know what lebron did in key moments of playoff games before(JOINING) wade and bosh as well as advertising some of the best veterans in the game to come to south beach? big mistakes just like jsmoove, you what they both achieved before lebron went to south beach, no ring. I thought i stated if jsmoove learned from lebron and took his game closer to the basketball and took more efficient perimeter shots he would be the player he can be. You seem like a lebron fan so let me state this didnt many loyal lebron fans wait on lebron to mature and refine his game. Why so negative to jsmoove hes only 27 cant you give him time to do the same thing?
Its clear siggy we gone disagree on this but let me leave you with this. Remember i said this and it only applies if atl resigns pachulia and devin harris or jeff teague. The hawks will not be better this year with milsap instead of jsmoove. Same amount of wins maybe 1 or 2 more or less, but they get bouced out of the playoffs 4-1 this year if they make it. Step down from only losing to the pacers who they pushed to six without pachulia and lou williams. Remember

[realkerrykittles30Participant]

Tell him how you really feel

[realkerrykittles30Participant]

Tell him how you really feel

[ItsRainingNegsParticipant]

Even though he doesn’t do the numbers and probably doesn’t understand it, aivesdirk averages 19 and a half negs per post. That’s more than Millsaps contract over two years, aives.

[aivsdirkParticipant]

its spelled aivsdirk, im glad that made you feel better too bad your your ratings tho. not being able to contribute anything other than what somebody else already said must be why yo stats so basic hunh? tisk tisk

[aivsdirkParticipant]

its spelled aivsdirk, im glad that made you feel better too bad your your ratings tho. not being able to contribute anything other than what somebody else already said must be why yo stats so basic hunh? tisk tisk

[ItsRainingNegsParticipant]

Even though he doesn’t do the numbers and probably doesn’t understand it, aivesdirk averages 19 and a half negs per post. That’s more than Millsaps contract over two years, aives.

[BlackMamba24Participant]

Josh Smith is the king of shooting 3’s he knows he can’t make and taking way too many outside shots when he has never developed that part of his game. He thinks he is max money and if some team is stupid enough to offer him that, then go ahead but it won’t be in Atlanta and it shouldn’t be. He isn’t even that good of an on the ball defender, he gets most of his blocks off the ball so that doesn’t make you a great shot blocker even if you have the numbers

[BlackMamba24Participant]

Josh Smith is the king of shooting 3’s he knows he can’t make and taking way too many outside shots when he has never developed that part of his game. He thinks he is max money and if some team is stupid enough to offer him that, then go ahead but it won’t be in Atlanta and it shouldn’t be. He isn’t even that good of an on the ball defender, he gets most of his blocks off the ball so that doesn’t make you a great shot blocker even if you have the numbers

[ZBowl420Participant]

Wouldn’t Millsap make a better 3-point shooter than Josh Smith?

[ZBowl420Participant]

Wouldn’t Millsap make a better 3-point shooter than Josh Smith?

[PistonsFan22Participant]

Millsap’s contract leaves the Hawks extremely cap flexible for the future. It’s a no brainer to get Millsap at that price. Josh Smith is commanding way too much money which is why no one has scooped him up yet. No one wants to pay that kind of money for a veteran player who doesn’t know how to consistently play to his strengths. I’m looking forward to seeing the terms on the contract that Smith eventually signs, going to be interesting to see if someone overpays for him.

[PistonsFan22Participant]

Millsap’s contract leaves the Hawks extremely cap flexible for the future. It’s a no brainer to get Millsap at that price. Josh Smith is commanding way too much money which is why no one has scooped him up yet. No one wants to pay that kind of money for a veteran player who doesn’t know how to consistently play to his strengths. I’m looking forward to seeing the terms on the contract that Smith eventually signs, going to be interesting to see if someone overpays for him.

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