[valentine]

I’m the only one thinking idiots running the Hawks organization?
They are likely the worst team in the League with the second least talent (maybe the Kings only behind). They almost made zero offseason moves… except taking on an injury riddled, overpaid, bad Jeremy Lin only to help the rival Nets acquire an additional first and second round picks from the Nuggets…. That’s terrible… and I even think Kenneth Faried could reinstate his value in Brooklyn and be candidate to be traded at the deadline. Oh, yeah and they reached for Huerter and traded maybe the best player in the draft for a rich man’s D.J. Augustine… (Ok, maybe Young will be fine, but I’m not a huge fan)…. And they started their "rebuild" with letting everone walk for nothing… with those moves they completely diminished the -not so high- trade value of Shroeder. The Hawks’ biggest offseason priority was to move Kent Bazemore’s contract… why?? They are rebuilding, they should take similar contracts for picks, not unload… and even Bazemore not that bad either… Anyway, their best move for a while was inking Jaylen Adams to a two-way deal, and that’s irrelevan at best…

[kobyzParticipant]

 Passing on Carter jr/JJJ/Bamba on draft, still a mind blowing, missing great opportunity to get great surefire modern big to go along with John collins and having your frontcourt for next 10 years, for a gimik like trea young…

[417basketballfanParticipant]

 The only way this all makes sense is if they throw the moon to capela to get him.

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 I disagree with this post..This could easily be the process part 2. You dissing Trae Young and he hasn’t played a single season yet..Let this class play a season before you judge them. No need for the Hawks to bring in FA’s, we not trying to win right now..We could poentially have 3 lottery picks next year, our pick, Mavs and Cavs…Dennis will get moved, Baze will get moved. Atlanta has never been a desirable city for free agents, we have to build through the draft. True to Atlanta…

[warson24]

I’m not writing off Young, despite his summer league struggles (though I expected him to be better in that weak competition)…
Ok, you’re a Hawks fan (I’m also close to the Hawks), but you shouldn’t be blind… Who said they are a desirable city? They definetly should sign FAs anyway, not ones like they did with Bazemore (long, fat overpays), but they should try to find talent for the future on short term deals not sitting on their hands and waiting for Miles Plumlee to become Anthony Davis… But if they chose not to sign anybody, they should make deals like the Nets, that’s what I said… you’re talkig about picks… you really don’t see the correlation? The Nuggets first rounder going to Brooklyn on Atlanta’s cap space? They should collect as much picks as poosible. That’s my problem. Marks badly outsmarted the Hawks… How can be Lin more helpful than Faried+Arthur+First and second rounder? please answer that! An overpaid 30 year old on a bad team… maybe he improves the Hawks from a 22 win team to a 24 win team (in reality he won’t) and maybe they leapfrog Sacramento on the standings, that’s really worth the Nuggets first rounder? As the Hawks basically traded the Nuggets first rounder for Lin (assume Faried&Arthur useless)… And I stand by the Hawks mishandling the Schroeder situation, there’s a reason he’s still there… and I still don’t understand why Kent Bazemore is Atlanta’s biggest problem… it’s a bad contract, but just as you said they are not a desirable destination, so they won’t get Kawhi for that money next year, especially if they won’t signing anybody in their offseasons. True not to be dumb…

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 You don’t understand the long-term..stick to playing 2k. Why go after top FA’s IF your not trying to be competitive and tank??? WHAT SENSE DOES THAT MAKE?? The goal is to tank, in order to tank your not trying to go after good FA’s..common f’kn sense..WE IN TANK MODE. We have a ton of picks, we had 3 first rounders this year and three next year, wtf are you talking about?? The Nuggets pick is top 12 protected, they’ll be good next year, it won’t be a lottery pick. Lin will be a backup PG to Trae after we trade Dennis..Bazemore was overpayed and he’s a problem, this is why your logic sucks..we should sign more bum azz dudes like Bazemore, overpay and they play like shh..Bazemore is 7th man at best..Why overpay players to lose??? Yea, stick to 2K..

[warson24]

Sorry but you’re a complete **** :D:D:D:D:D:D:D I shouldn’t even answer that :D:D:D
So you’re tanking and you didn’t want the Nuggets pick (even if it’s the 30th), beacuse you have a ton of picks :D:D:D:D Incredible :D:D:D OK… (the Hawks very likely won’t have that 3 picks ’cause Cavs’ pick is top 10 protected)
"You don’t understand long term" because I want a future pick instead of a 30 years old washed-up Lin :D:D:D again incredible :D:D:D OK
"Lin will be a backup PG to Trae after we trade Dennis" For sure, Raymond Felton could do that for 10 million less, and if you say Lin is better, remember you just said the "Hawks tanking" :D:D
"Bazemore was overpayed and he’s a problem" For sure!!! that’s both true!! But if you won’t sign free agents and you are a leauge worst team with cap space you can afford him instead of paying huge price (trading back from 3 to 5 in draft) or giving up draft picks to unload him, that’s what playoff teams does (hello you’re tanking!!) :D:D
Who said they should go after top FA’s :D:D:D:D? I said they have no chances for top FA’s… and I said, quote: "They definetly should sign FAs anyway, not ones like they did with Bazemore (long, fat overpays)"
your quote: "we should sign more bum azz dudes like Bazemore, overpay and they play like shh.." :D:D:D no I’m saying the opposite… They should sign FAs because even Damion Lee was a FA before his 50K $ two-way deal, FA not means multi year 10+ million deals… but the Hawks sign nobody. They SHOULD try players like the Knicks with Mario Hezonja for that ONE YEAR 6 M deal or Euro stars like Brad Wanamaker for less than 1 M, OMG nobody said overpay old role players, WHAT THE HAWKS CURRENTLY DOES BY ACQUIRING JEREMY LIN FOR 12.5 MILLION!!! Are you on weed? or something, please use your brain!!
2K? I’m an adult, not playing 2K… 

 

[jalliParticipant]

that Jeremy Lin is bad?  He has been injury prone, yes.   He can play the 1 or 2, can defend a little and playmake.  We’ve still only seen him playing 20-25 mins or a game since Lakers.  If healthy he is good.

[warson24]

for me he’s bad…Everything is relative… so he isn’t bad compared to my grandmother or a G-Leaguer, but he’s bad compared to his 10+ million yearly salary or he’s bad if you want a competitve/good basketball team and he’s running it. He had a nice run on a putrid Knicks team on meaningless games at the end of the season and he made his living from those days. As you said he can defend a LITTLE, just as little as he’s a playmaker… He’s an NBA player for sure, just not an good one, he’s easily replaceable with a much cheaper player (cheaper than 12.5 M) to be a mediocre backup on the League’s worst team…. There’s a reason he never player over your 20-25 minutes and why he’s going to his fifth team in 4 calender years… 

[jalliParticipant]

def entitled to your opinion.  For me, he can be a very good 6th man and a fringe starter (even for some playoff teams).  He finally was going to have some freedom to run an offense on Nets but unfortunately got injured.  Tough break and sometimes that’s what the way things go.

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 Let’s see what they get for Schroeder before we call it a bad move. 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

It is more of a mixed bad to me. It appears to me that the Hawks have a 2020 strategy. If they move Schroder, which appears likely, they will be down to Bazemore, Plumlee, and rookie deals for 2019-20. Realistically, nobody is going to bail them out of the Bazemore deal. He is a decent player, but at an awful price. They will have two likely lottery picks, because I think Dallas will be good enough for the pick to transfer but not enough so to make the 8-seed. It is fair, however, to question the moves being made in the mean time. I have my doubts about Trae Young. I think when you look at how he responded when Big 12 teams came in with a scouting report, and he just kept launching bad shots and throwing the ball around there is reason for concern. Obviously, he can make some crazy shots that will make the highlight reels, but the NBA is not a trick shot contest. It is clear, however, he is the elephant in the room. If he plays like his summer league games, which is not always the case, but if he does, then the Hawks front office has some explaining to do. Also, the order of operations leads to wonder whether they can get more than 50 cents on the dollar for Schroder. Everyone knows he can be had. It is abundantly clear they want his money off the books by next summer. It will play out, and maybe I’m wrong, but at the moment it is fair to be skeptical. That is the bad. On the good side, I think Omari Spellman is a good prospect who with a year in an NBA strength and conditioning program could grow into another Millsap. I think Heurter will be effective on a good passing team, and likely lost on a bad one. Among the just out of college undrafted rookies, I think Jaylen Adams has been among the most impressive this summer. Taurean Prince improved his offensive abilities from year one to two. John Collins showed flashes as a rookie, and one would hope he makes a similar leap.It also seems likely that by February injuries or other circumstances might make it so that Dedmon and his expiring contract might net them a 22-30th pick from a playoff bound team. It is not a completely barren wasteland.

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 You either use your brains or your gut..The odd one uses both lol.

But to compare both deals The Hawks essentially got Lin + 2nd rounders for  a player they were never going to see. This move is signaling 2 things Dennis S is gone and that they don’t want to give Trae full control just yet(which is a far call). The Hawks will most likely either have to hope two things: They can turn Bazemore into a big $ deal for 1 year(like a Melo) and a pick and Dennis S either is traded or The legal issues help them out of his deal…But the thing that people have to be wary of is successful teams assistant Gms aren’t always great-See Thunder assistant who eventually becam magic and flamed out.. 

Vs

Sean Marks who has essentially been pick and talent hoarding when his cupboard was bare due to Billy K(who should never be allowed to be a gm again)…He turned Brook lopez(expiring deal) into D angelo russell(a former 2nd pick) and Mozgov who was later turned into cap room with a Dwight howard trade/buyout.

But this time he got Faried who will be motivated to play hard to get his next deal,Arthur who helps their bench out and a pick(which should be conveyed next season) to go with their own pick for the first time in 3 years…

This shows an experienced GM vs a rookie one. One got a first rounder and a servicable player and the other got one coming off an injury and 2nd rounders.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I kinda see what happened to the Hawks this year.

 They are tanking, they are building a Warriors type team, they dont need to give their big men heavy minutes, its a gaurd oriented lineup, Schroeder has no trade value and is probably not gonna play much until he’s sorted his legal issues out, Doncic didnt want to play there.

Travis Schlenk former Warrior and Hawks GM is dead set on building the Warriors "East" in ATL. If you look at the Warriors roster you’ll find they have a handful  of big men that are used in limited bursts because of all the work they have to do. Setting those illegal screens, running the floor, constantly switching, rebounding and protecting the rim at a high level can be tiring for bigs so GSW uses many. Bell, Zaza and Mcgee all played 15-9 minutes per game and all played under 70 games this season.

Schlenk’s intentions are to imitate the Warriors so he knows its a waste to use his high pick and a Center like JJJ, Carter Jr. or Bamba when he only intends to play his C’s in limited bursts. He would rather use that coveted asset to bring talent to another position and eventually use the salary that it would cost to pay at another position.

So instead they drafted Omari Spellman late in the 1st round who comes with a much cheaper pricetag and can learn from Dewayne Dedmon for a year.

The Hawks best player plays SF/ PF Taurean Prince, and with the ongoing Schroeder issues the G position needed to be filled.

If you look at their moves knowing their gameplan it makes more sense. Drafting Young over Doncic I also understand because Luka wasnt going to play in Atlanta and Trae Young’s comparisons to Stephen Curry are hard to ignore. Jeremy Lin proved he would have thrived in an uptempo offense in Brooklyn.

It would have been nice for them to get value for Schroeder before the draft but as stated above this isnt 2k18. You cant just decide to trade someone. I bet Schroeder currently has zero value and is basically just a dead contract to NBA teams. He’s currently facing battery charges and will likely see jail time or probation but will defenitely see a lengthy suspension from the Hawks so despite all the trade rumours I’d imagine he’s already out of the picture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Schroeder has become a problem. Doncic refused to play in Atlanta.

 

[r377Participant]

 I think maybe the hawks should of taken on a bad contract and get a draft pick as compensation.

Jeremy Lin.  I can only guess they took him as he is a good locker room guy. He is a harvard guy and is a good teammate.  He will be a decent mentor for Trae Young.  Schroeder isn’t great off the court,  much better to have Lin than Schroeder as a mentor.

Trae Young is worth the risk.  The hawks are lotto bound for the next 3 season, that draft pick is not going to make or break the franchise.  They got a future first rounder from Dallas.  Dallas is in the tough west, that pick might be 8-14.

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 The Hawks organization obviously had issues with a highly regarded coach in Mike Budenholzer quitting and top player Dennis Schroeder wanting out. I know Mike B may want to coach a relevant team but in my view he’d be an ideal guy to be hands on in the rebuild too. Guys like Rick Carlisle are happy to coach rebuilding teams for example.

The Hawks got some extra picks in this year’s draft and the Dallas deal might work out well if that pick comes across in the top 10. But passing on Doncic could well have been risky and we have to wait to see how Trae turns out in the NBA.

They had probably hoped to get a decent offer for Schroeder as he is under contract for 3 guaranteed years on a reasonable flat rate salary. But despite this there doesn’t seem to have been much interest in him and with these rumoured charges coming against him, teams could be wary of trading for him.

It does look as if Schroeder may well have played his last game for the Hawks with drafting of Trae and now trading for Linsanity. Where he ends up, we’ll have to wait and see,

 

 

 

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