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Fultz diagnosed with TOS

Per Woj, Markelle Fultz's agent Raymond Brothers confirmed that he has been diagnosed with Thoracic Outlet Syndrome (TOS) which is a fancy way to say nerve damage to the body between the neck & shoulder.

Since the Sixers doctors cleared him, this could be the last straw between their extremely tepid relationship that's keeping him in Philly.

Apparently this condition is treatable with physical therapy.

Does this info sway teams to trade for him a little more now, since his shooting issues can be more directly tied to a repairable / non-surgical condition?

Or am I being naive, with this still being some kind of a smokescreen to hide potential mental issues? What a crazy story for a #1 pick.


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Nerve damage is extremely

Nerve damage is extremely hard to diagnose (actually dealing with something very similar to Fultz right now) . Plus I have a feeling he lied about how he was injured.

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"Plus I have a feeling he

"Plus I have a feeling he lied about how he was injured"
Do you know him in person or something? how can you get such "feeling" exactly?

Anyway, wish Fultz the best, seem like a good kid who got to deal with ton of sh*t so early in his career. hopefully this works for him and he can regain his shooting and become what he was supposed to be.

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The rumor about the

The rumor about the motorcycle accident has been floating around for awhile. Plus there is a long history of athletes lying about injuries to protect contracts.

Can I say for certain that is what happened, of course not, but given all the information that is publicly know him lying about the injury is what makes the most sense to me.

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Nerve damage is a NIGHTMARE!

I don't claim to know Fultz's mind but we have NEVER seen a player of ANY ability suddenly forget how to shoot

But none of us really know - No one does..... I truly hope for Fultz's case that he has finally found an answer to his issue b/c an Undiagnosed condition is enough to drive Any person off the Deep end

I'm a Stage 4 Metastatic Cancer survivor - b/c of the many surgeries I've endured I have the main nerves in my left leg carved up badly

There are parts of my leg where I have absolutely No feeling (Outter Thigh & Quad above the Knee where U can stick a Pin in the meat & I feel Nothing), other parts like my toes & groin where it feels like I'm being electrocuted 24/7/365 (No BS it NEVER goes away, the Degree of the pain will vary) & I have other parts of my Leg (Knee & Calf) that feel perfectly fine but suddenly out of nowhere I'll experience excrutiating Pain & then it will vanish as quickly as it came)

The specialists I've seen explained that Nerve Damage is Extremely slow Healing process & literally Every patient is Different.

My issues occurred 10 years ago & I've had some improvement in some areas of my leg, absolutely No improvement at all in other areas & then in still other areas I saw improvement only to regress & actually grow worse - it has been a Maddening Experience!

In terms of Fultz, just the fact that he received a Diagnosis & the Specialists Labeled his Issue should bea Great comfort to Both Fultz & the Team b/c they can now proceed as a Legit injury & teams that were Interested in trading for Fultz can now feel a Lot more comfortable b/c they are dealing w/ a Concrete diagnosis

I'd LUV to see Fultz make a full recovery & rejoin the Sixers - even if it is for a short time & even if he does eventually leave thru trade or free agency. It is a Critical Life Lesson for ALL young people to understand that you can find yourself in what feels like an Impossible situation in a Relationship but the WORSE thing you can do is run away seeking comfort by merely changing your surroundings

It is Always better to remain steadfast & determined to fix the problem & repair the relationships b/c it is the nature of Life that we revisit old friends & acquaintences as we travel thru life & it is Always best to maintain positive healthy friendships EVEN when things do Not work out people can still support & care for each other

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Damn, that must have been

Damn, that must have been hell. Stage 4 metastatic is no joke. My dad had stage 4 lung and metastatic in both femur bones and one breast. He lasted two months after diagnosis and it wasn't a peaceful end. Making it through stage 4 metastatic alive is the definition of a survivor.

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Wow

I tip my hat off to you sir. Thank you for sharing.

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It isn't a nerve damage, it

It isn't a nerve damage, it is nerve compression, means there is something compressing the nerve and physio will help to remove that compression in order to make the nerve function well again.

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Yep. And once thats fixed his

Yep. And once thats fixed his shot will return and he will develop into an elite combo gaurd that can score 25-points and 8-assists a night.

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Do you think a nerve can be

Do you think a nerve can be chronically compressed for over a year and not be damaged? I'm dealing with a similar issue and my physical therapist uses the two term interchangeably

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I’m glad this was finally

I’m glad this was finally figured out, I’m sure it’s a big sigh of relief for him to prove that they’re actually was something wrong and it’s wasn’t all mental. I think they will let him spend the time needed in PT and he will come back as good as new and prove to be the player he was drafted to be. It will take some time for sure, but it’s good they were able to diagnose him and figured out the root of the issue

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TOS is actually a fairly

TOS is actually a fairly common sports or work related injury. Typically it's caused by a repetitive motion (ie shooting a basketball, typing on a keyboard, etc) as it wears on your body tissue, but other types of trauma can cause it as well. Also, it doesn't say which type of TOS Fultz has so we can't really say how long he will be out for sure.

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Im calling it now MIP 2021.

Im calling it now MIP 2021.

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Wow, must make you feel big

Wow, must make you feel big and powerful to sit behind a keyboard and ridicule a 20 year kid who's obviously going some some serious physical and emotional issues.

Just remember you make all the same Jokes about Embiid after his 2nd foot surgery.

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Im partly joking and partly

Im partly joking and partly being serious actually. He will probably sit out for this year and return to play next year. Even if he is healthy next year the amount of time he has played with this discomfort should have changed how he mentally and physically plays so it will take some time for him to recover. I see him slowly recovering, resurfacing either with Philadelphia or another team and never really recapturing his "potential" form during the period of which his rookie contract extends. Then I expect his 20/21 team option of 12 million to be denied and or his 21/22 qualifying offer of 15 million being denied.

After that I expect him to be signed and groomed in a situation similar to the one Hassan Whiteside found himself in Miami. Get him around some vets where he can learn to play the game and expectations are low. The kid has talent but come on you cant seriously think that after all of this he is just gonna magically recapture his shooting form and live up to the expectations immediately.

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"The kid has talent but come

"The kid has talent but come on you cant seriously think that after all of this he is just gonna magically recapture his shooting form and live up to the expectations immediately."

Never said anything like that. In fact, if his experience is anything like mine, it wouldn't surprise me if he never fully recovers.

I was more taking issue with your constant bashing of the kid. Not just in this thread but even going back to last season, hell just last week you started yet another Fultz bust/joke thread. Give it a rest

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I made a thread comparing

I made a thread comparing Fultz to Jay Williams do to the motorcycle accident "allegations". The reason why Im making sarcastic comments about Fultz at all to be completely honest is mostly dates back to your thread where you said he would be a better player than Donavan Mitchell. But its alright were entitled to our own opinions and I can be wrong sometimes and so can you. I can even be rude sometimes. It happens. Also, I didnt like when he bombed Luka Doncic's first NBA interview in Summer League, I felt that was immature and something an 19 year old in college would do not a 1st overall draft pick that forgot how to shoot.

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You made multiple threads

You made multiple threads last year ridiculing the kid before I made my Flutz/Mitchel thread. But whatever, feel free to have the final word. I'm done.

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Must make you feel big and

Must make you feel big and powerful to sit behind a keyboard and proclaim to have a feeling he lied about his injury. Calm down hero, we all make remarks about players no need to take the morale high ground on this one

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I wonder where all the

I wonder where all the "it's-a-mental-problem-I-can-tell-you-that-much" guys are now. Why do so many people pretend to know what they obviously don't know? Is it so hard to just shut up?

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Oh they're still around,

Oh they're still around, except now they're saying it's a made up syndrome smh. Unfortunately, we live in a world full of angry, bitter, etc people who love to hate and spew negativity. They seem to forget that these athletes are people with feelings and problems just like everybody else.

Obviously, he was injured. You don't just lose functioning of your shoulder like that unless there's some kind of physical issue. I'm happy that he finally has a diagnosis and they can treat it. I want to see him reach his potential. He seems like a good dude and based on all I've heard, is a hard worker.

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I really think we should hold back from criticizing anyone

No one has Any idea what's going on w/ Fultz. Remember his poor shot was just One of Many issues both on the court & off he's dealt with

This situation could be that Fultz has a very serious compressed Nerve condition that No one knew the origin of b/c there was No Original Injury he could point to & the frustration of trying to play through terrible pain while Docs are telling him all their tests are showing that he is Healthy caused him So much mental & physical anguish that he Wthdrew & stopped communicating w/ Everyone (including his own reps) & decided he'd just try to force himself to play thru it

This is something young people do quite often

However, on the Other hand it is Entirely possible that Fultz has had a complete crisis of Confidence b/c he's just not ready to produce at a high level in the NBA - & then when he recently lost even his back up role, he completely panicked & the people around him who depend on his paycheck completely panicked & they Huddled up & decided to go Doctor shopping until they could find a physician who would give them a Diagnosis & this allows them to put the entire responsibility for this to be the team's fault

By putting teh blame on the Sixers, the player & his Reps can approach other teams claiming he's still the same guy he just needs to get healthy & get a fresh a start. I'm sure the Sixers would go along w/ this b/c it allows the player to move offon & get his salary off their books

Mind you I have NO idea which is true but it is Entirely possible that Either could be so I would not criticize Anyone. Fultz's reps have Many years Experience & even though this is extremely unique they are Paid to as Lawyers / Agents to Always plan for the Worst possible scenario so that the player & them as Reps are Always out in front of Any situation & that Clearly did Not happen here.

The Sixers have a LOT of experience dealing w/ Severely injured young players out Significant lengths of time & by all accounts have Never put pressure on these youngsters to return early & or ever bashed them publicly so I just think NONE of the media or fans or the team know for sure so we shoud all take a Wait & see approach & save the "I Told You So" comments for much farther down the road b/c we may Never know Exactly what occurred here

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Most athletes who have TOS

Most athletes who have TOS treat it with surgery...First-Rib Resection usually followed by a Scalenectomy. Fultz's docters have choosen 3-6 weeks of PT. I do not see this ending well for either side. If I had to wager I would place money on Fultz being traded after he is cleared but before he gets back on the court. At this point it doesn't matter how he acquired the injury, the fact remains he is a bad fit with this ball club and a strain on the the Sixers cap.

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