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  • #369086
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    OhCanada-
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     Tough way for him to close the season and head into Summer. People are gonna really get on him for shoting so poorly, its gonna leave a bad taste in alot of peoples mouths. Heres my thoughts.

    The 18% shooting is a bad thing but it also shows that Mitchell will continue to attack and not seize up and just give into the defense. Thats important because even know he had a terrible shooting night it still attracts alot of attention from the opposing team opening tons up for his teamates. Also shows he is fearless which is a good sign. Now he just has to add to his game.

    The way Mitchell plays is an instant offense game. He’s a James Harden, Damian Lilliard and even know his team eliminated him last year I’ll mention Russell Westbrook type player. Problem is when his shot is not falling he doesnt find other ways to effect the game, or score.

    Take Harden for example. He gets double/triple teamed every night or he gets 50 points and 10 assists if he plays the 4th qaurter. But on the nights where teams do decide to lock him down he still finds a way to score and even if he has to take 30 shots he will 90% of the time give you around a point per shot and make them count in the 4th qaurter.

    Basically Utah fans shouldnt be discouraged. Mitchell isnt a finished product and has alot to work on if he wants to compete at the highest level, but he has the right mentality to be the type of player you want in the big games.

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  • #1132197
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    SeattleSuperChronics
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    Donovan severely  overrated. 

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  • #1132198
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    BrentSuriaga01
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    but that was a Russell Westbrook type of a performance. 

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    • #1132201
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      SubZero
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      Great insight here

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  • #1132199
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    mowesten
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    There’s a couple of things going on here:

    First, this is just the reality of the modern NBA game. There have already been a lot of guys who are good players have horrific shooting nights in the playoffs and we’re still in the first round. Even some of the best players don’t shoot a lot of easy shots. They are shooting a lot of 3s, long 2s (Spurs Aldridge), contested runners and floaters in the lane, and if you’re having an off night, you just keep shooting. Used to be, a guy who missed eight straight 3s wouldn’t shoot a ninth. Mitchell went 4 for 22, in no small part because he went 0 for 9 from 3.

    Second, Utah needs another guy who can create his own shot. I like several of their players, but if they get late in a shot clock, it’s Mitchell or bust. I like Rubio, Gobert, Crowder, Ingles, Favors, O’Neale all individually, but paired together, it shifts all the burden of creating offense to one guy because not a single one of those guys is capable of creating At least not consistently.

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    • #1132211
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      your comments are pretty much on point.  team defenses are much better in playoffs and jazz opponents can key on mitchell because of lack of secondary option.  the game speeds up so much in the playoffs that we are seeing why teams don’t have as much value for guys like vucevic, adams and gobert.  

       

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    • #1132221
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      Hazel
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       You put a scorer like Lou Williams on the Jazz what happens?

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  • #1132200
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    I think you will see Utah going after Kemba Walker or Mike Conley to add a secondary scorer & upgrade the PG spot.

     

    To a lesser extent I can see them going after Goran Dragic if they miss on the first 2.

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    • #1132202
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      Conley is not a free agent this year. In order for them to go after him, they would have to trade for him which they were unsuccessful to do at the deadline so I doubt try again during the offseason. Also they don’t have the money to go after Kemba.

      I think they seriously need to start of thinking using one of their current players as their PG next year. There aren’t much PG’s they can get after Kemba who they are obviously not getting for the reason I just gave. They might have more success finding a two and a stretch 4 in free agency then they will a point. I suggest they move Mitchell to point. He matches up better against opposing pg’s because he is more or less the same size. He constantly has to shoot over or maneuver around bigger 2 guards which is why his FG% is a lot lower than you would like. If he is moved over to point his shooting problems wouldn’t go away but they would be more manageable. He may not get too many assists but I think that will come once you give him more experience at point instead of the 2 guard. 

       

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      • #1132212
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        i would disagree on conley.  his value should drop this offseason because teams that pursue him are getting a 31 year old PG with one year left on his contract.  plus, grizz have no incentive to keep him because they will be bottom of the barrel again next year.  i think utah can afford one of these guards because rubio’s contract expires and favors’ and korver’s contract are not fully guaranteed.   i don’t think conley is the answer and doubtful kemba would join versus going to NY or LAL.

        i think their best case is hope exum and grayson progress.  exum and mitchell are good compliments to each other.  let favors and korver go and throw the bank at tobias harris.

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        • #1132262
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          I see your point there, but if Conley’s age is a factor, than why should the Jazz even try to get him? Let’s not prolong DMitch’s eventual success at point. The kid is going to be successful at point. His shooting percentage will be a lot more manageable, and the assists will come with more experience. His defense is not a problem at point or the 2 guard because of his wingspan, and ridiculous jumping ability, so I don’t know why everyone isn’t on board with Mitchell being a point guard. Yeah, he didn’t much experience their in High School or college but this is the pros. This is where it all matters. His height is an issue at 2 guard but won’t be at point. In high school or college your height doesn’t matter as much, but it does in the pros, c’mon we know this, I shouldn’t have to tell you that.

          Back to getting Conley, when Utah was trying to get him around the trade deadline there was also the sense that Conley himself didn’t want to move out West He either wanted to go East or stay in Memphis. Why should Utah try to get him either through free agency or trade if the dude doesn’t want to be in Utah in the first place? So at this point there really is no reason to prolong Mitchell’s move to point. He’s ready, he’ll figure it out and he will be successful at it.

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  • #1132207
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    HobbyOG
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     I don’t think people will "get on him" 1. He plays for Utah, wasn’t any expectations to beat Houston. 2. He’s in like year 3, he’s not flashy, arrogrant and he’s improved. Not like he was a top 5 pick or anything. 

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  • #1132208
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     people need to chill, kid is 22, to compare, Harden at 22 was still a 6th man averaging around 17/4/4 (this is the year he was god awful in the finals vs the Heat). He’ll come around. But he does need another guy that can create his shot. I don’t like the Jazz because like previously said, it’s him or bust when you need a bucket. 

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    • #1132220
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      Hazel
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       Harden went 11-26 11-24 3-20 8-19 and 10-26 this series.  Including 21-60 from three.  Those are the numbers of "arguably the best offensive player ever" during a playoff series.  And he has Chris Paul one of the greatest playmakers ever and Eric Gordan and Austin Rivers who can get thier own shot. 

       

      Harden: 43-115 37 % Not great.

      Mitchell 36-112 32%  Not good.  

       

      Give Mitchell some time and teammates who show up for more than one game per series offensively and he will be fine offensively.  

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  • #1132218
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     I think I compared him to Harold Miner last year.  Aka Baby Jordan.

    He’s still a rising star, will probably make a few All Star teams, is marketable, but maybe not a future MVP.

    He needs the ball and a better side kick on the wing.  Plus, more athletes at the forward positions, then see how to use Rudy Gobert more on offense.  

    He is another young guy who just kinda flat lined.  Along with Lonzo, Kyle Kuzma (to an extent), Jayson Tatum (sorry Bostonites), and maybe even Ben Simmons (get the guy a jumper!).

     

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  • #1132237
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     Good player but overrated on here.

    I remember after last season playoffs, kids on here were well and truly firmly on his cock, saying he was headed for the HOF !!

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    • #1132246
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      Kids¿?

      I’m probably older than you and I’ve been defending DM since the beginning because people is absurdly minimizing what this "kid" is achieving.

      His rookie season was absolutely historical, achieving things that just a handful of players have been able to in the history of the league and carrying a team that was meant to win no more than 30-35 games to the ECF against the current MVP.

      This year his team has won 50 games in a packed west and he’s averaged 24-4-4

      I guess that i have to remind you that "superstars" like Lebron, Curry, Durant, Harden, K.Irving or Luka Doncic have not been able to come close to DM in their early career:

      . Lebron James won 35 and 42 games his 1st 2seasons and did not make the playoffs until his 3rd year.

      . Curry won 26-36-26 his 1st 3seasons and didn’t make playoffs until 4th year.

      . Kevin Durant won 20 and 23 his 1st 2seasons…

      . James Harden… averaged 10 and 12pts his 1st 2seasons… and was still a 6th man his 3rd one.

      . K.Irving won 21-24-33 his 1st 3seasons…

      . Luka Doncic 33 wins.

      So don’t worry, DM is doing perfectly fine at 22yo, the Jazz are already one of the top teams in the west and i’m sure that in 2-3 years they will be the biggest force in the west.

      So yes, DM will be a HOF once he’s done.

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      • #1132252
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        Choppy
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         Wins aren’t everything. Look at the supporting casts that those other players you mentioned had. You’ll find they were terrible or just young. Mitchell has Gobert, arguably the best defensive player in the league and serviceable role players in Ingles, Favors, Rubio etc. Yes, what Mitchell did in his rookie year was historic. But to suggest that the success of Utah was only down to him is a little excessive. 

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  • #1132320
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    Ahkasi Clay
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     He straight up Kobe’d It.

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