[festar35Participant]

I was having a look at the Pistons roster to see if there was anyone on that team that Indiana could get to pair with Paul George and Tobias Harris came to mind, I was surprised to see that he is only 24 years old thinking Indiana could offer expiring Ellis, Allen, 2017 1st rounder and future 1st (protected), but I digress.

I now wonder what the plan will be in Detroit, honestly I think LBJ will be dominant for another 2-4 years. The Drummond plan isn’t working because he isn’t that good so could you see Detroit blowing it up?

I don’t see any of their guys holding impossibly high value, but the likes of Drummond, Jackson and Harris could potentially net them some first rounder’s allowing SVG to build “his” team from the ground up. The next draft is pretty good at the top end as well, so with a deep 2017 draft could add some key role players a look at a star in 2018 draft.

[HitsterParticipant]

The future of PG13 we have discussed a lot. The Pacers undoubtedly want to keep him but don’t want to risk him doing a KD and walking for nothing. I believe he would be eligible for a Westbrook/Harden extension which could propel him into the very top few NBA earners. The Pacers could say give us another guaranteed year until 2019 and if things aren’t working out by next summer then we look to get you to a team you want to be on.

With the rumours that OKC are going to give Westbrook a mega deal this summer, if Pacers could do same for PG13 and tie him down longer term for his peak years then both sides are winners. PG13 gets a thumping big deal and Pacers have him guaranteed for several years so if it came to a point whereby he was traded then they get a far better return.

Tobias Harris is a good shout for them to add, but does he make them good enough to challenge Boston, Cavs I wonder?

Also whilst Harris is a fine player, PG13 may want an All Star level running mate.

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 I wouldn’t say Drummond "Isn’t that good" dude had a bad year, year before he was an all-star and he’s still young and have room to develop. I don’t the Pistons have any players that would convince PG to stay in Ind. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Andre Drummond is terrible. Even when he played "good" it wasnt skill or basketball iq that made him productive. His productivity is based on his size and athletisism which can only be harnessed through effort. With his new contract it will likely take alot to get him to apply himself and buy into playing motivated basketball. 

[ChammesParticipant]

 Wouldnt mind Giving up Kemba for some first rounders and blow it up, were always average and we either need to be first or last. And for the pacers sake they can challenge for a spot in the east with Walker George and Turner.

[MatosParticipant]

 Pacers don’t have the first rounders to pull that off. Pacers team gets better for a few years with that move, hence devaluing their future first rounders. Charlotte isn’t that desparate to just chuck Kemba for some late first rounders.

[festar35Participant]

Sorry wasn’t meant to be an Indiana/PG thread, just explaining how I got to the whole Detroit situation. In saying that
C. Turner
PF. Rebounding PF (FA)
SF. Harris
SG. George
PG. Teague
Bench: Stephenson, Young, Seraphin, Back-up PG, Robinson
Wouldn’t be a bad team if Turner takes another step to improving and McMillan utilises Harris as the scorer he is, no reason they couldn’t beat the likes of Boston, Toronto etc.

I just don’t see Drummond as a focal point of a team due to the way the league is going. He needs to lean up to get more mobile and purely focus on rebounding/defence with catching the occasional lob from time to time, much like DeAndre Jordan who is the 4th option behind Griffin, Paul and Redick.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Unless you’re giving up a pick higher than the one Indy currently have, they’d have to be stupid to accept Allen, Ellis and their first for Harris. I think you’re overvaluing Allen and Ellis. Harris is a very good young PF/SF, and I would hunt down SVG if he did that trade. The first round pick (high teens I’m assuming) isn’t gonna move the needle much. That trade would be tantamount to giving Harris away. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Give us Turner and you’ve got a conversation.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 If Indiana even mention Turner you take that instantly, Harris is several notches below Turner on the prospect totem.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 I know, there’s no way Indiana would do that, it’s an insulting offer. Similar to Allen, Ellis and a low pick for Harris.

[ropeParticipant]

 I posted about the Pistons – specifically Drummond – the other day.

I am not sure what they do here.  The crux of the problem is that Jackson and Drummond are now on contracts they look likely to underperform.  I really can’t stand to watch Drummond play basketball.  

If you did dump either of these two it will probably not bring any kind of premium back.

They have the KCP situation, too.  Around here they keep talking like the Pistons will have to offer him a max / near max deal to keep him.  I just don’t see it.  In a salary cap league you just can’t do that.  He is a good, complementary player and you just can’t pay him superstar money.  Even with the higher cap, I am afraid they are going to make a third big mistake on contracts.

What I can actually see happening is that they are forced to stand pat and SVG is relieved of his duties sometime late next season, as the team continues to underperform.

Who knows, maybe someone will come in and need the Pistons as a third team to make a trade work, but I don’t see them being involved in any major moves this summer.  We are really in for a rough stretch.  Contention is a long way away no matter how this plays out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[HitsterParticipant]

I agree, KCP is a good player but for an SG to only put up 13/14ppg isn’t a good return unless they are a good defender and excellent all round player or a lights out shooter. KCP excels at none of these as far as I can see, as I’ve said he is a good all round player but at 24, I don’t see him being worth a big contract.

Olapido at OKC got $84 million aprox over 4 years but he is a better scorer and a far superior defender and creative player than KCP is.

I’d not be prepared to commit more than say $55 million over 4 years to KCP.

[benny15Participant]

 id have to disagree regarding KCP’s deffense. he actually plays good high energy d and is normally the primary deffender on the opponents best guard. he came into the league as a gunnder shooter from deep but runs hot and cold for stretches, his deffense and motor seems to be consistent though. i honestly think he played for a more high profiled team such as boston he would be getting more recognition for what he brings on the court.

 55 mill for 4 years does sound good for a team but that is also substantially less than what deng, crabbe, turner, bazemore and parsons got last off-season, and thats not even including the ridiculous deals bigmen got. those that did get close to the number you indicated were courtney lee, tyler johnson, jordan clarkson, solomon hill, and eric gordon. so basically its a couple of bench guards(although good ones), a vet journey man, a utility wing that doesnt offer that much upside, and a talented guard who has been mired with injuries for years now. 

given his age, been a starter since the second half of his rookie year and is his team’s best deffender, i think its safe to say that he will be getting paid much more than the cap friendly 55 mill spread accross 4 years.

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Have you even seen KCP play? Defence is his calling card. He’s an inconsistent gunner from 3, but I think SVG could be utilising him better. He often guards the oppositions best perimeter player, whether that is a SG, SF or PG. This is why he occasionally gives up big point totals, because sometimes he’s at a mismatch (eg bigger SF or quicker PG). I think his focus on D also impacts his effectiveness on the offensive end. He has to learn to shoot tired in order to be more consistent. 

[jaycee24Participant]

 Pistons can only stand pat or blow it up. The only micromove i see as an option is offering jackson to Brooklyn for one of their lat 1st rounders and they’d probably want a conditional first with that which i wouldn’t be opposed to. Detroit could probably find a way to move up enough to get a top PG prospect. As for this core they’re too invested in this team not to keep KCP at any cost even without his cap hold they can’t get close to his production at the position. 

This years draft pick is going to be crucial for them because they need someone to contribute to keep this entire SVG staff and Roster around

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 KCP is a decent defender from all the games I’ve seen him play, but I’d class Oladipo as a superior defender IMO. I don’t think contracts are going to be as generous as they were last year and what I thought KCP was worth is a personal opinion. I just would not throw nearer $20 million a year a 14ppg SG who doesn’t offer what I see as top intangibles elsewhere in his game.

Likewise Otto Porter’s market value may vary a lot depending who you ask, but I’d be more prepared to pay him more than KCP as he has improved year on year and has had some good play off performances to boot too.

I’ll be interested to see what sort of offer Detroit put to KCP as a team with FA money may well throw a decent offer his way, Brooklyn tried for a load of guys last year but got offers matched and a youngish guy like KCP could fit their rebuild profile.

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 Indiana is a mess it’s no wonder Bird stepped down.

PG13 is not the player he was pre-injury I expect him to be traded.

They will go into full rebuild.

As far as the Pistons, they just need a better pass first pg and a few more role players that can drain the longball consistantly. 

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