[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

The Nuggets are wavering on accepting a proposed trade for Carmelo Anthony and it could lead to the deal unraveling.

"Good will is fading fast between Denver and everyone else in this deal," writes Sam Amick. "NJ, Charlotte, and Utah not thrilled with how it’s being handled."

 

I understand it a little bit…maybe they could get more in Feburary?

 

[jdstormParticipant]

 They are going to get less in feburary. Because melo will be that much closer to free agency they will start to get lowball offers. 

Also NJ will realize that favours is awesome, and should be untouchable. Utah will be the 2nd best team in the west and have a legitimate shot at beating LA With Kiralenko. Washington will be greatly improved and melo might want to head home to play with Wall, Mcgee, Blanche and YI. 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 Is Melo from Washington, I thought he was from New York? I thought that’s why he played at Syracuse for college. 

I heard that Denver was trying to think of some way to keep Melo. The’re trying to do a trade with Detroit and get Rip and/or Tayshaun. But seriously, Melo doesn’t want to play with old players that are passed their prime. Melo wants the Nuggets to be good continually not just 1 year. 

Well, it was fun while it lasted. Goodbye Diaw. That sucks I was looking forward to seeing Diaw and Bell play together once again. That would be interesting.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Baltimore, Maryland is where Melo grew up

Melo was Born in Brooklyn, NY.

[stanford hoops]

@jdstorm…you must mean utah has a shot at beating the l.a clippers with AK..did you see the sweep last year?..and L.A is better this year then last year. utah has ZERO chance of beating the lake show unless they have a couple of injuried players that include gasol and kobe

[WizardofOzParticipant]

Melo was born in Brooklyn but call Baltimore home because he was raised their for the majority of his life.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I just don’t see how Denver can hold on to him even for training camp. It would just be too uncomfortable. Every knows he wants out of Denver. The front office knows, the coaching staff knows, the fans know, and his teammates know. And we already know what Ty Lawson said about him on twitter. I think that their is a lot of bad blood between Melo and his teammates. IMO, there is no chance he reamins a Nugget when the regular season starts.

[HaleParticipant]

Yeah I agree with WizardofOz. I don’t see Melo at camp, too much has happened this summer and their will be too much bad blood.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I don’t think there is "Bad Blood" considering Melo never dissed the organization and he’s not going to his main destination. I think he really wants to go to NYK. It doesn’t take 3 days to agree to a contract extension. Either Melo is looking to stay with Denver just for 1 more season to go to NY or he going to NJ just to be near NY. I don’t think Denver is a problem and he hates the organization..

[HaleParticipant]

I don’t understand why people think Melo wants to be in NY so bad. I’m pretty sure they weren’t first on his list when he made the list of teams he would go to, and if he did approve the trade to NJ and would accept an extension he still wouldn’t be in NY. Maybe he just wants to leave Denver? I really don’t think being close to NY means all that much to him.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Then why not accept the 1st plane out to NJ? He’s stalling on signing a contract for a reason…he wants to play in NY. I’m not saying that because I’m a fan but because it’s the logical idea to me.

You go to NJ to play with Murphy and Lopez? You must really want to be in the Tri State area then. That team is a terrible defensive team and would shocked me if they won 43 games.

Why would you go to NJ unless you really want to be in the NY area? That team is worst then Denver at this point.

 

Edit: Also, Don’t forget LaLa and her role in this as well. She knows that playing in NYC for Melo would make him more money and more marketable.

[HaleParticipant]

Why would you go to NJ unless you really want to be in the NY area?

For a change of scenary? I’m not positive but I don’t think he ever said NY is his number 1 choice. The trade was said to be done as early as Saturday. It hasn’t even been a day since the deal was rumored to be completed by the earliest. We don’t know who is stalling or if there is any stalling at all. Just don’t get your hopes up.

[thenetswillriseParticipant]

 They’re giving up too much in the first place. A team with anthony after the trade has too many holes which could lead to some team drama. If anthony joined the current team in free agency after the current group has had some time to develop, I definitely think that would be a team on the rise. Of course anthony electing to go to the nets over his top two is unlikely.

Either way the nets would be better served to wait till february if they could get anthony to sign an extension then, since their offer would be lower.

[jdstormParticipant]

 No i definiately meant the lakers.  I think the Al Jefferson trade is going to be the steal of the offseason. Utah’s biggest problem with the lakers was that they couldn’t match up with their size, due to Okur and AK being Injured. Al jefferson slots in the Boozer role, but at 6’11 isn’t at the size disadvantage that Boozer was being 6’9

So this year assuming health for both teams, Utah upgrades from the 6’9, 6’8 frontline of Boozer and milsap with Fresenko or whatever his name is and match up rather well

LA 7ft Bynum 7 Gasol 6’10 Odum Utah 6’11 Okur 6’10 jefferson 6’9 AK 6’8 Milsap. 

LA is still taller, but utah can now match up respectably. 

it will come down to who plays better Dwill or Kobe,  and given how williams torched LA last year and is a better passer, LA should be slight favourites, not overwhelming ones like previous years.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

I dont have an article yupyup but it has been rumored even before these Melo trade talks started that he wanted to unite with Amare in NYC and hopefully get Paul to come also.  Isnt that what the toast between Melo, Amare, and Paul was about at the wedding?  Anyways its not new news thats Melo wants to go to New York he has apparently been telling family and friends for a while that he wants to play there.  And his wife LaLa is a semi-celebrity who hopes that by living in New York will vault her to superstardom…I know Women SMH…..

Neways I don’t understand why Melo wouldnt want to go to the Clippers either.  B-Diddy, Eric Gordon, Melo, Griffin, D. Jordan would be a nice starting 5 IMO.

[butidonthavemoney]

You also know that Memo and Kirilenko were both injured during that series. Right?

Before Kirilenko’s injury last season, Utah was on a MAJOR tear. They were more than capable of beating any team in the NBA.

[llperez]

utah might be tougher this year. Jefferson can be an upgrade. But the jazz’s biggest weakness against the lakers was length and ability to play above the rim. I dont care what his height is, jefferson doesnt play above the rim any more then boozer did so thats still a very legit issue.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

The more I think about it, Melo’s top priority isn’t winning. Denver hasn’t been a bad organization since he’s been there. Sure the A.I. thing didn’t work out, but they were at least trying to do something to win. My biggest complaint has been some of their recent payroll cutting moves like giving away Camby. When you look at the big picture though Denver has been competitive and had some success in the playoffs. In recent years NJ and NY hasn’t been much of anything. Anyone that wants to win isn’t going to want to go to a team that was one of the worst in the league last year in a trade, especially when you know to get you the team is going to lose some parts. Surely he doesn’t see himself, Lopez and Troy Murphy as championship contenders right now. Not saying they can’t be, but there’s a lot of work to be done and pieces needed to complete that.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

You Utah fans need to wake up. The Lakers have OWNED Utah. Adding Jefferson will make no difference against the Lakers. He just replaces Boozer. Jefferson doesn’t play above the rim. He plays lower below the rim than Boozer. And he’s never been known as a defender or shot blocker.

Bynum, Gasol and Odom… The Lakers still will give them fits. And then Kobe is still the best player in the series.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I think Melo does want to go to NY. On SportsCenter, Mark Stein reported that Melo’s top destinations are NY and Chicago. He said that Melo would make one last push for Denver to trade him to NY or Chicago, but if it doesn’t work, then so be it.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

IF Melo was about winning, Chicago, Houston and New York would be at the top of his list. Even a team like the Clippers would be more successful than New Jersey in my opinion. LAC has enough talent/picks to made a deal for Melo without gutting their team.

[NJHooper95Participant]

The nets will not be contenting for a championship team with Melo but should be very competitive. For people who only look at the record, the nets were not as bad as their record indicated, injuries, terrible coaching, and confidence killed their season. They have some decent players now, who thought Milwaukee would be as good as they were before the season started? No one. Melo, Lopez, T Will, Outlaw, Morrow, Farmar, Troy Murphy, would be a solid team. Melo brings enough firepower to to make this team competitive. Anyone that saw T Will this summer and at the end of last year know that this kid has promise. Jumpshot needs work, but already one of the most athletic players in the league, and a can be a triple double threat.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 Yes Melo is stalling. His contract extension is basically his no trade clause, and if isn’t traded it because he didn’t sign it. Yahoo sports posted this last night.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ag0rLV_9AaEvEe_wzdkHlgc5nYcB?slug=ys-anthonytrade092610

Carmelo CLEARLY wants to got to New York. n 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Looks like Melo is getting cold feet about playing with the Nets for the prime of his career.

He’d be smart to pair up with a team that’s close to contention right now. Chicago, New York (Stoudemire) and Houston.

Does anybody think a deal will get done before training camp starts?

[mini_marzParticipant]

to be honest i think i would rather play for NJ then NY… think about it lopez or stoudimire? stat doesn’t rebound or play defence… and at least with avery behind the bench NJ will play defence and plus having an owner who is willing to spend no matter what NJ seems like a place that can get better fast… plus movin to BK would be in NY and honestly the Knicks are gonna be a better then expected team… but really i would rather go NJ also cuz the owner will most likely try to make Melo an international superstar and the money for Melo would be insane

[llperez]

im surprised that the trade came so far along if melo was not sure about how willing he was to play in NJ. I think NJ has some solid foundation with lopez down low and murphy a solid pf coming in. And with new ownership that is aggressively looking to build a winner before they go to brooklyn we can assume they will spend some money to put together the pieces to surround melo with talent.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

to be honest i think i would rather play for NJ then NY… think about it lopez or stoudimire? stat doesn’t rebound or play defence… and at least with avery behind the bench NJ will play defence and plus having an owner who is willing to spend no matter what NJ seems like a place that can get better fast… plus movin to BK would be in NY and honestly the Knicks are gonna be a better then expected team… but really i would rather go NJ also cuz the owner will most likely try to make Melo an international superstar and the money for Melo would be insane

A) Lopez is a alright rebounder and he doesn’t play defense either…

B) The Knicks have a owner willing to spend money

C) If Melo goes to NY, his money will be higher then if he goes to Brooklyn.

D) The Knicks have a better team but you would go to NJ? Makes no sense.

 

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Also, if the Nets make the deal…they lose a ton of prospects for trades.

Derrick Favors, a 2011 1st round pick and a top 7 protected 2012 pick? That’s alot

[The Scare Crow ReturnsParticipant]

If they just realize that and play their asses off this season and prove it they’ll become a top destination for Melo and others to join them…You never jump at the first trade you get …even if it’s for a superstar…they are giving up a lot for Melo…too much IMO….I hope Melo would see that…If he’s willing to sign off on the trade he’s down for the New Jersey movement…If he waits it out he can sign with that team fully intacted with Harris/Favors and the picks they’d keep…resign Murphy with MLE next year and if your really desprete to surround Melo with a star trade Harris and a pick or 2 to NO for Chris Paul (He’ll be moved soon after Melo anyway…bank on it…) Then Melo/Amare and CP3 will all be in the New York area on 2 different teams though…

[stanford hoops]

As I look at the rosters melo would look alot better with the knicks if all they had to give up was Chandler,Randolph,douglas,  or gallo and anyone else other then Amare,Felton, if the nets are giving up Harris

I would like to see a roster of 

Felton
Azebuki
Melo
Amare
Combination of the centers they have  

[stanford hoops]

Ok memo and ak was injuried.  Bynum was injuried as well as kobe’s knee and our bench got deeper.  Like I said Utah has zero chance of beating thr lakers.  Even Utah fans out here in Utah don’t see it.  You get Jefferson who doesn’t have the jumper boozer has so guess what. He needs to be close to the basket to score which Plays right into our bigs hands

[bkballerParticipant]

"to be honest i think i would rather play for NJ then NY… think about it lopez or stoudimire? stat doesn’t rebound or play defence…"

 

You do realize that the 6-10 PF STAT has better rebounding numbers than the 7 foot CENTER Lopez right??

Lopez is also slow and AWFUL on defense, at least stat is athletic.

If Melo goes to Jersey they have NO pg, Felton is a very solid PG and will thrive in the uptempo system.

 

Plus I don’t want to hear this "he will play in jersey for 2 years and then move to brooklyn"…. 2 problems:

1) He has to play in Jersey for his PRIME years

2) Once he moves to BK it is STILL not Manhattan… its basically like playing for the Islanders or Mets in NY. Just because the team is in the same state, doesn’t mean its the same thing. Thats like saying the guy wants to play in California and instead of choosing the Los Angeles Lakers…. he figures ehhhh Sacramento is also in Cali I’ll just play there.

[stanford hoops]

 I’d rather have Amare but lopez isn’t a horrible defender. Not sure where you’re getting that from. And even though he’s slower he’s still a better defender. I’ll take lopez in his prime over Amare. Better defender now. And rebounder

[stanford hoops]

 how old do u think melo is? He will be 28 when they move to Brooklyn that’s still prime years on top of all he has to do is buy a house in new York and drive there lol. Why people try to act like nj is sooooooo far from new york.  Many nets and jets have lived in new york

[bkballerParticipant]

Its not about living in New York…. its more about the perception and the star power of playing in the center of Manhattan, which once they start winning WILL be the spotlight he needs to be finally mentioned in the same breath as the rest of that draft class. In New Jersey he will spend his late 20s playing on a slightly above average team – you guys are aware that the years the Nets were winning 45-50 games with kidd and kenyon they still couldn’t fill arenas for playoffs games (EVEN FINALS!!), they has almost zero hype and ment nothing in the NY area.

The Knicks have struggled for a while but the last time they had a good run (99 finals) the whole city was buzzing and it was a completely different atmosphere than when the Nets were good. Plus you can trash the Knicks organization but what people fail to realize is that outside those 3-4 Jason Kidd years, the Nets have been a worse franchise than the Clippers. Jason Kidd is responsible for their ONLY 50+ win season in franchise history (34 years i think). So the new fans look at those couple of years Nets wre good and think that they are a solid franchise….

[bkballerParticipant]

Stanford how is Lopez a better rebounder? He is a 7 footer that played 2nd or 3rd most minutes at his position in the NBA, on by far the poorest shooting team in the NBA, and had ZERO size next to him with Boone and Yi being the only big men (if you want to call them that) AND still averaged 8.6 rebounds per game. Lopez averaged 9.4 rebounds per 40 minutes and Amare (bad rebounder I agree) averaged 10.3 per 40 while playing a position that generally gets less rebounds. So if it is consensus that Amare is a bad rebounder… how can you call a taller player that gets a whole rebound less per 40 minutes a good rebounder???

I’m sure everything you are saying has nothing to do with the fact that your name is Stanford Hoops.

[bkballerParticipant]

I didn’t even mention how many garbage minutes he played against 3rd string centers and PFs this season…..

[NYCrealdealParticipant]

not on the lpoez bandwagon as much as other people

yah he averaged 18.7 8.6 1.7

only 9 rebounds, he should be 11 plus being the only good bigman on a team

if he cant average 20 10 on one of the worst teams in history how many rebounds is he ganna average with murphy a very good rebounder

and how much is he going to score with better options on a team now

 

 

[bkballerParticipant]

Lopez is definitely a good player and better than the even more overrated Noah… but I wouldn’t really have him as a centerpiece that pulls in free agents or a part of any "BIG 2 or 3". He is more than capable than being a starting center on a championship caliber team…. but you first have to put that championship caliber team around him not him as part of the centerpiece.

A lopez plus melo duo wont get you more than 40 wins…

[HitsterParticipant]

I think it all revolves around Melo signing an extension, no signing then no trade and the Nuggets could be left with nothing. If they trade him without the extension in place then they will not get a whole lot back.

NY seem to have kept a watching brief to see what happens, Donnie Walsh hasn’t made any rash moves as his trade options are limited until the GSW trio become tradeable. No doubt with Melo off the scene the NY would have less targets to chase but as Curry’s contract winds down then they will have more options coming their way.

[bkballerParticipant]

Randolph can be traded today because the Knicks were under the cap whn they traded for the GSW trio.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

What if Denver did this?

Decline the offer from New Jersey.

Go and trade Nene to Atlanta for Zaza Pachulia, Marvin Williams a a 2012 1st rounder

Trade Billups for Diaw and Augustine

Go move Melo to Houston for Hill, Martin and NY’s picks

 

That right there, you get: Williams, Pachuila, Diaw, Augustine, Hill and Martin ( all 6 would be in your 8-10 man rotation) plus 2 1st round picks?

[jdstormParticipant]

 @Mr Knick

that sounds like an OK trade if they want to go through a complete rebuild. but Denver still looks like they want to be competitive/ a playoff team. 

If denver wants to blow it up JR smith is also getting moved probably with billups. So their new team has a solid vet to help keep him in check.

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