Dedric Lawson

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Dedric Lawson

I was just wondering why the best statistical player on one of the nations top teams isn’t in any mock drafts. Anybody familiar enough with his player profile to know why he isn’t projected to be drafted?


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equally surprised

i am equally surprised. this guy has done it all at memphis and now kansas. i read an article once where bill self acknowledged his playmaking ability and how he was the best passer on the team. i guess he's kind of a tweener in terms of nba positions. not big enough for PF while not athletic and good enough shooter to be a SF.

i think this guy will be the steal of the draft and seems like one of those guys the spurs would target in the backend of the first.

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Great college player. Not

Great college player. Not sure how well his game translates to the next level. Simply put, he’s not an nba level athlete. Doesn’t have great lateral quickness or explosive leaping ability and he’s not very strong. He has a very strong iq and skill set for a college player, which allows him to dominate despite athletic limitations. However, when you try to slot him into more of a role player at the next level it gets tricky. He isn’t strong or athletic enough to play the 5 and isn’t quick enough to guard wings. He’s also one of those guys that does a lot of things well, but doesn’t really have a standout defining skill. It would help his case a lot more if he develop into a consistent, reliable shooter from 3 point range, but he just isn’t there yet right now. I could be wrong but I just don’t view him as much of an nba prospect right now, and given he’s already the age of a typical college senior, I’m not sure how likely that is to change.

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I'm just wary that this

I'm just wary that this sounds a bit like Draymond's scouting report doesn't it? I tend to like his IQ and the way he moves his feet. He reacts well out of the P & R, can roll, pop, great at establishing position or using pet moves to go either way down low but he is playing below the rim. His shot isn't broken or anything. I would still consider taking him in the end of the first round, especially in this draft.

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But

Green was a little chubby coming out of college. He went through a big body transformation after his rookie year. Without that, he is nowhere near the player he is now and would be sitting on the bench somewhere. At best, he would be a poor man's Boris Diaw. But instead, he dropped the weight, got jacked and now is the poster child for undersized tweener success.

D Law has ALREADY dropped 20 pounds since he arrived at KU and he is still not showing to be a true NBA level athlete. Sure he can bulk up once in the NBA, but I'm concerned he is closer to his athelticism cap right now than Green was coming out of college.

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I think draymond is a poor

I think draymond is a poor comparison. Although he was a 4 year college player, he had untapped upside that didn’t really become apparent until he got into the nba and in the perfect situation, especially on the defensive end. I just don’t see the same thing in Lawson and I have doubts that he’ll ever be a competent defender at the next level, given how poorly he graded out in the athleticism testing at the combine. I know that was a few years ago, and it’s possible he would test slightly better now, but I feel there are just limitations to how much he can improve in those areas given his body type. It’s not a matter of just dropping weight like it was with draymond. I think it will be very hard for him to bulk up without losing speed, and he can’t afford to lose any speed. I also have a hard time seeing how his offensive game will translate. He has decent post moves, but he doesn’t have the size, strength and explosiveness to post guys up regularly in the nba. He doesn’t have the mobility or outside shooting to play on the wing and unless he dramatically improves his outside shooting you can’t really use him a stretch big.

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The assumption that Lawson

The assumption that Lawson couldn't perform better at the combine this time around is not correct. You only have to look to the NFL Combine where a little bit of coaching and "training to the test" makes a world of difference. It also leads to guys getting overdrafted because they are better at track & field than football. Given that Lawson will likely be first team All-American and have an agent who is invested in his getting drafted (preferrably highly) putting him through the process this time, even if he hasn't improved his athleticism in the past two years (which when watching him play this year never stands out as being a problem), he should test better. If not, then he will be off to the Euroleague, which is fine. I just don't think him bombing out of the combine a couple years ago is a disqualifier now. Guys have bombed seasons, and don't have it held against them like this.

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Other than Zion Williamson I

Other than Zion Williamson I really don't like any power forwards in this draft. The only other big I would look at in the mid/late lotto would be Bol Bol.

I have Dedric in my informal internal big board mock draft (that is currently stuck in my head) towards the end of the first round. I think he is ahead of Ethan Happ maybe even Grant Williams.

Dedric has "third big" written all over him. He could even be this generation's Derrick McKey.

Now do I take Dedric over Admiral Schofield? Not sure. I think the Admiral is a bit tougher, can hit the 3 ball better and gives you more value as a rebounder from the wing than Dedric gives you at the 4.

Although in the late first round, go with need kinda. All these guys are pretty much in the same tier....

So, you need a "big" take a long, hard look at Dedric. Need a floor general? Go get Tre Jones (who I think should be mid-first) or maybe Coby White. If you really need a John Starks or JR Smith type then take a flyer on LaGerald Vick.

I don't see Lawson being part of a Big 3. Maybe not even a Draymond Green-type ideal fourth guy. But I think he is a great fifth guy.

Maybe to the Warriors at the end of the first round? Some small ball five action.... a hedge if Dray leaves. A big man version of Iggy....

If the ceiling is low then the floor is fairly high.

So, the Warriors (if they can keep their Fab Five) run out their all stars, Iggy who is barely hanging on at this point, an extra guard, a shot blocker, then Dedric Lawson to round out their rotation.

I can also see the Bucks taking a look with their rotation of long, lanky, versatile players. I can see Dedric chipping in on the Greak Freak Show.

Ideally, he's a plug/play guy on a legit contender. Other than that, I can see him falling a bit in the draft behind some guys who have more "upside". Although I don't see him falling past the mid second round.

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In terms of Warriors

I'd much rather have a 4th year Kevin Looney or 2nd year Jordan Bell than a rookie D Lawson as my small ball back up 5. I just don't see a fit there.

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To some extent, it isn't that

To some extent, it isn't that important right now. Lawson measured at 6' 8" with a 7' 2 1/2" wingspan as well as 220 lbs. in the summer of 2016 at the combine, which isn't disqualifying. It is more or less what Rui has been reported to be. They are also 4 months apart in age, so that isn't an issue either. Lawson is playing much more athletically this year than one would believe given how poorly he tested at that combine. He is as smooth operating in the paint as anyone this year. He looks to have more muscular definition. That said, people are much more forgiving of prospects who fail on the court (just take a look at most of the guys between Reddish and Doumbouya) than those who fail athletically. If Lawson can test notably better this spring/summer (which he should given the low bar he set a couple years ago), then he will get drafted. If not, he probably won't.

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I think he gets drafted. I

I think he gets drafted. I have him 28th on my Big Board. I think he has a floor around mid-2nd round. Although he looks like a classic "early 2nd round pick".

Dedric is a hedge on the "stylistic" future of the league. Will the league continue to get smaller/quicker/more skilled? OR, will it get bigger??? If it gets more skilled, well, Dedric is skilled and he can rebound some. If the league gets bigger then Dedric can post guys up -- especially if he is your 6th man and can post up bench warmers.

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I think he gets drafted. I

I think he gets drafted. I have him 28th on my Big Board. I think he has a floor around mid-2nd round. Although he looks like a classic "early 2nd round pick".

Dedric is a hedge on the "stylistic" future of the league. Will the league continue to get smaller/quicker/more skilled? OR, will it get bigger??? If it gets more skilled, well, Dedric is skilled and he can rebound some. If the league gets bigger then Dedric can post guys up -- especially if he is your 6th man and can post up bench warmers.

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