Coach Cal overrated?

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Coach Cal overrated?

I like Coach Cal, I think he's a great recuriter and salemen, but is overrated as a coach? Since Kentucky lost to Wisc a couple years back because he left the Harrison kid in the game instead of Ulius I've question his coaching. Last night he had some very questionable match-ups and play calling against Duke. Example, he had three slow PF's or Centers in at once. They didn't feed the post, didn't try to slow the game down for a Duke team that was more athlete, didn''t switch out of man defense which was killing them all-night..For a coach who always has so much talent you would think he would have more National Championships...

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BEEN

He’s BEEN overrated. He can’t win unless he has otherworldly level talent, and even still he might not pull all the way thru (38-1).

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Who on Earth is ranking this

Who on Earth is ranking this UK team ahead of Duke to start the season? Duke has the 3 best players in the counrty. The fact that they are freshmen doesn't matter anymore because of the NBA draft rules Freshmen are almost the best players in the country.

They were talking last night as if Reid Travis was Sam Bowie and his "veteran leadership" was going to be a big factor for the Wildcats. He will be a decent player in Lexington but only if he has a guard that can get him the ball. Keldon Johnson appears to be UKs best guard but didn't show much interest in passing in game 1.

I do think Coach Cal is slightly overrated but I actually think it is more often his talent that is overrated more so than his coaching skills. Don't get me wrong he has had can't miss all star talents like Boogie, wall and AD. He has also developed many players and got them into the NBA. That is his number 1 goal. He wants his guys in the league more than he wants to win. It is a strange thing but it works both ways because he will usually win anyway just because he has the better players.

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To to be over-rated don't you

To to be over-rated don't you have to first be rated highly? Calipari has always been more known as a recruiter than a tactician.

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I'm wondering if we watched

I'm wondering if we watched the same game... Calipari tried all sorts of matchups/lineups and defenses including man defense, zone defense, matchup zone defense, and soft man press. Bottom line is nothing worked. "For a coach who always has so much talent.." doesn't come into play here because Coach K had the 3 best players on the floor which he won in head-to-head recruiting battles (Barrett, Williamson, and Reddish). Did you think Calipari had "so much talent" last night? Only two players were productive in Reid Travis and Keldon Johnson, neither of which looked like a surefire lottery pick.

Is he overrated as a coach? Depends on how you look at him and I've got time today. The biggest hit on Calipari is that he should be winning more titles since he has the #1 or #2 recruiting class every year, but lets dig deeper. There are important points to make here: 1) Different priorities 2) All recruiting classes are not created equally. Calipari has been excessively verbal that his #1 priority is helping young players accomplish their dreams --> reaching the NBA. Every year he has a top recruiting class out of neccessity and he's able to recruit consistently, because every year these recruits know they will have a big opportunity on a big stage. While Calipari is at the top of recruiting classes every year, he has only had 3 classes with special talents (Wall and Cousins, Anthony Davis, KAT). If your team is going to be freshman led, they need to be special talents, because only then does experience not matter.

The only freshman led team to win a championship without a special talent in recent memory was led by no other than Coach K (Okafor, Winslow, Jones, Allen). In terms of college basketball, Coach K is in a league of his own. After Coach K, the next group of elite college basketball coaches in no order is Roy Williams, Bill Self, Tom Izzo, and Jay Wright. This is a group Calipari belongs amongst. Entering his 10th season at UK, Calipari has 1 title and few final four appearances. I'll agree he underachieved a few years at Kentucky, but this a guy who made his name overachieving at UMASS and Memphis. To say he can't win unless he has "otherwordly level talent" is lazy.

Overrated? H*LL NO. Has he underachieved a few years? Yes, but what other coach hasn't. He is accurately seen as an elite coach amongst the likes of Roy Williams, Bill Self, Tom Izzo, and Jay Wright. And he's probably the worst "X's and O's" coach amongst this group, but who ever said he was a great X's and O's coach? He's exactly what you called him, a great recruiter and great salesman, but he's also had great success as a coach by getting his teams playing their best ball by postseason.

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How do you not win a

How do you not win a championship with John Wall and Cousins on the same team? Oh, and Eric Bledsole. He lost the game against Wisc. by playing Harrison instead of Ulius..if Coach K or Jay Wright have had those rosters Cal has had they would of won championships..great recuriter overrated coach...Soon as you make a mistake you getting yanked and yelled at..how can you get in rhythm with this method?? You don't see Coach K yanking a player after one mistake..how is that good coaching??

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I actually don’t hold 2010

I actually don’t hold 2010 against him because in that game against West Virginia. Not much you can do about the team going 4-32 on 3s and 16-29 on free throws, the fact that we only lost by 7 should be a win in and of itself.

I’ll never really get over 2015 though. Yeah there was that one missed shot clock violation that gave Wisconsin 2 points and Sam Dekker somehow hitting a stepback contested 3 all within the last couple minutes, but it was so obvious that Ulis and Booker should’ve been in the game a lot more. He stuck with the twins for way too long

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I agree he is seen as more of

I agree he is seen as more of a recruiter than a truly elite coach. He's a good coach but he's not at the top table with Popps, Mike K etc.

He should have won more than one title with the talent he has recruited but you could say it is a talent itself to get the players to sign for him.

I always feel he'd make a great NBA GM if he ever fancied a shot at the NBA again as he seems to be able to recruit guys so he'd be a natural for a dual Thibs type role or even just as a Team President.

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The one thing that has always

The one thing that has always bothered me about coach cal is that he sells himself as this great developer of talent, but I actually think he holds a lot of his players back and doesn’t necessarily prepare them the best for the next level. He played guys like Anthony Davis, KAT and skal labissiere almost exclusively in the low post, even though they had the skill set to showcase a lot more of their offensive talents. Devin booker was almost exclusively used as strictly a spot up shooter, and rarely put the ball on the floor at Kentucky. He seems to have a tendency to pigeonhole players into certain roles, rather than finding creative ways to let them showcase their full talents.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not necessarily easy to manage so many elite talents and so much roster turnover on a yearly basis and I know cal has a proven track record of producing successful nba players. I just don’t always see a lot of guys who come into as elite recruits really develop all that much under him. There have also been a ton of guys who weren’t ready to make the leap to the pros after one year either get cast aside or basically forgotten about when they come back to school. I think it’s a major reason why you are seeing more of the top level recruits choose to play elsewhere in recent years.

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The only national title he

The only national title he won, he had 6 NBA players on that roster and a hall of famer (Anthony Davis)

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Hes an excellent recruiter

Hes an excellent recruiter and a good motivator. More often than not his teams play hard and together (dont mention that John Wall/Demarcus Cousins team). Nobody's expecting him to be Red Auerbach.

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Nah not overrated

I can’t say he’s overrated especially when the Ncaa Tourney is 1 and done. I really thought he did a great job with the Brandon Knight and Terrance Williams led team when they ran into a red hot Kemba Walker led Uconn team. Also the Julius Randle led team that got to the championship game against a red hot Shabazz Napier sqaud.

Like someone reiterated earlier not all recruiting class are created equal. The number 1 prospect in the class is usually head and shoulders above the number 5 rank player in the class sometimes the drop off from 1 after is pretty substantial. So you have to look at in that perspective. If he had gotten DeAndre Ayton last year or Josh Jackson the year before then who knows we’d be singing a different tune. The only year I felt he just did a poor job with was the Nerlen Noel team and at the end of the year those players weren’t that good.

I will always say it great players make great coaches and right now Coach K has the supremely talented players. If coach Cal had the trio of Zion, RJ and Cam we’d be saying how great Cal was.

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Cal maybe knows how to stroke

Cal maybe knows how to stroke the egos of some of the top HS talent so gets them to commit to UK. In the last few years a lot of one and done guys seem to be looking at Duke where Mike K who is regarded as an elite coach would more likely use the "I'll improve your game" selling point to entice them.

Interesting point about a coach only being as good as his players, would someone like Gregg Poppovich make say LBJ an even greater player or give him more titles?

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I almost think that he goes

I almost think that he goes to the Lakers within the next couple of years -- or runs for president. Who knows with that guy.

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He's not a great x & o guy.

He's not a great x & o guy. But knows exactly how to get a bunch of talented players to put aside their egos for the good of the team. He's won a title and more 4 Trips to the Final 4 in 7 years!! He does a good job of developing players.

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Cal....

He sucks as a coach...As players don't really develope under him...See star players that are exactly the same as when they came there vs when they leave...

This is without even mentioning that he has had how many Nationally stacked teams(More so than his peers) and won it all how many times??

However I will give him the following:

He grooms Players for what the next level will be like:Interviews,Yelling and Media surrounding you..

He used to be the master of the one and done as no-one else was doing it...However now with actual coaches doing(USA mens coach K) players will go to these schools to be coached interact with big name players coach K has at his dispossal. This is fading and Cal's hauls of top 10 prospects is lowering by the year...As they realise that he doesn't skill wise prepare you for the next level...

He used connections to help sell his product to the masses..

But now as more coaches now say I will also do the one and done and let you get x amount of touches/minutes I think people will not think as highly about Cal as they did in the past..

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