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- Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:54pm #56144
KHAM83ParticipantI’ve been seeing a few posters talk about him but I never looked into it, until this supposed promise by Okc. I love what I see and think this dude can be an elite player in the Durant mold. I’m only basing this on 6 minutes of YouTube videos <—-enter smiley face here
I keep seeing him referred to as a pf/c prospect, which of course he’s too weak for right now, but can’t this dude play sf someday in the league? Again, not much I’ve seen of him, but he looks to have good handles abd can guard perimeter players, and can shoot off the dribble. If he adds strength to play pf then great, but he looks to me coming in as a legit sf. Please let me know those of you who’ve seen him more.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:57pm #915460
KHAM83ParticipantOh ya, Hawks fan here. If he has the potential I believe he has, I’ll take him at #15 ahead of Okc. I’ve been hoping for a sg, but outside of Exum (I consider him a combo 2) the rest seems to be average to very good role players at best. Good to add to our team, but KP deserves a look see.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 12:57pm #915327
KHAM83ParticipantOh ya, Hawks fan here. If he has the potential I believe he has, I’ll take him at #15 ahead of Okc. I’ve been hoping for a sg, but outside of Exum (I consider him a combo 2) the rest seems to be average to very good role players at best. Good to add to our team, but KP deserves a look see.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 1:36pm #915465
aramboneParticipantI asked the same question a couple weeks ago. He’s clearly slower than most SFs in the NBA, but his length does make up for some of that.
I’m a Celtics fan and he would complement KO and Sully very well from the SF position.
Porzingis’ change of mind and declaration for the draft came shortly after Danny Ainge scouted one of his games, for whatever that’s worth.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 1:36pm #915333
aramboneParticipantI asked the same question a couple weeks ago. He’s clearly slower than most SFs in the NBA, but his length does make up for some of that.
I’m a Celtics fan and he would complement KO and Sully very well from the SF position.
Porzingis’ change of mind and declaration for the draft came shortly after Danny Ainge scouted one of his games, for whatever that’s worth.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 2:14pm #915473
jerb2011ParticipantI would rather they draft and stash him, let him put on another 15-20 pounds, and develop a decent drop step, hook shot and turn around J in the post. It would be better for him.because of his height, length, athleticism, and scoring ability at a young age.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 2:14pm #915342
jerb2011ParticipantI would rather they draft and stash him, let him put on another 15-20 pounds, and develop a decent drop step, hook shot and turn around J in the post. It would be better for him.because of his height, length, athleticism, and scoring ability at a young age.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 2:28pm #915479
BennyWestsideParticipantHe is a great shot blocker, and I think he will be most valuable as a PF because thay lets him stretch out defenses with his shooting range and be a massive offensive mismatch, while still playing close enough to the rim to protect it. He is the ultimate sign and stash guy though, and he probably wont show up in the US for at least three years (that’s when he can sign a more lucrative contract)
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 2:28pm #915347
BennyWestsideParticipantHe is a great shot blocker, and I think he will be most valuable as a PF because thay lets him stretch out defenses with his shooting range and be a massive offensive mismatch, while still playing close enough to the rim to protect it. He is the ultimate sign and stash guy though, and he probably wont show up in the US for at least three years (that’s when he can sign a more lucrative contract)
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 2:55pm #915495
OhCanada-ParticipantI think he is definitely a stretch four on offense and reports and stats have shown he plays like he thinks he is a gaurd. You still have alot of coordination there from a footwork point of view and touch in general so his post skills can develop. Its a high risk pick without knowing a players character and will to learn/love and desire for the game. A team picking him has to restructure the way he plays, his go to moves and where he gets his touches.
Offensively he has the upside to be a very good SF. Seems like a poor mans Durant best case scenerio without adding the post game, or Andrea Bargnani worst case scenerio. Having a PF like Aldridge or Love gaurd him on the perimeter would just be torture.
Defensively he may have great lateral quicks for his size but at 7’1 with a huge wingspan he is just not low enough to the court to gaurd the beat small forwards in iso situations. I dont think it translates well to the position. Also you want him to get the best possible matchups and chemistry on the court to match his skillset and team needs and I think thats at PF. Although at PF he has above average quicks, lateral movement and agillity to gaurd the position at a high level. Granted he needs muscle or he will still get bullied.
If we are comparing him to the easiest comparison Andrea Bargnani I think a 19 year old Bargs is definitely worth a pick in this draft outside of the lottery given the fact that he is still very raw and coachable and arguable worth one in the lotto. Also Andreas issues were shot selection, effort, defensive iq, and just being lazy in general at times. No passion for the game.
Porzingis may or may not have these same issues but it has been once again "reported" he is a hardworker that loves the game and is an instant impact defensively with his activity and length. Take these reports with a grain of salt but the upside is there.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 2:55pm #915363
OhCanada-ParticipantI think he is definitely a stretch four on offense and reports and stats have shown he plays like he thinks he is a gaurd. You still have alot of coordination there from a footwork point of view and touch in general so his post skills can develop. Its a high risk pick without knowing a players character and will to learn/love and desire for the game. A team picking him has to restructure the way he plays, his go to moves and where he gets his touches.
Offensively he has the upside to be a very good SF. Seems like a poor mans Durant best case scenerio without adding the post game, or Andrea Bargnani worst case scenerio. Having a PF like Aldridge or Love gaurd him on the perimeter would just be torture.
Defensively he may have great lateral quicks for his size but at 7’1 with a huge wingspan he is just not low enough to the court to gaurd the beat small forwards in iso situations. I dont think it translates well to the position. Also you want him to get the best possible matchups and chemistry on the court to match his skillset and team needs and I think thats at PF. Although at PF he has above average quicks, lateral movement and agillity to gaurd the position at a high level. Granted he needs muscle or he will still get bullied.
If we are comparing him to the easiest comparison Andrea Bargnani I think a 19 year old Bargs is definitely worth a pick in this draft outside of the lottery given the fact that he is still very raw and coachable and arguable worth one in the lotto. Also Andreas issues were shot selection, effort, defensive iq, and just being lazy in general at times. No passion for the game.
Porzingis may or may not have these same issues but it has been once again "reported" he is a hardworker that loves the game and is an instant impact defensively with his activity and length. Take these reports with a grain of salt but the upside is there.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 3:28pm #915512
aramboneParticipantHere are extended Porzingis highlights from a May euroleague game. I don’t think it’s on youtube: http://sportacentrs.com/basketbols/legionari/23052014-porzingis_un_cajasol_dramatiska_galotne_u
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 3:28pm #915379
aramboneParticipantHere are extended Porzingis highlights from a May euroleague game. I don’t think it’s on youtube: http://sportacentrs.com/basketbols/legionari/23052014-porzingis_un_cajasol_dramatiska_galotne_u
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 3:48pm #915522
aramboneParticipantHere’s another recent game, uploaded May 28: http://sportacentrs.com/basketbols/legionari/28052014-porzingis_regularo_sezonu_nosledz_ar_14_p
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 3:48pm #915389
aramboneParticipantHere’s another recent game, uploaded May 28: http://sportacentrs.com/basketbols/legionari/28052014-porzingis_regularo_sezonu_nosledz_ar_14_p
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 5:06pm #915569
20110913He can guard euro sf for sure. he is quick enough to defend them well.
but NBA sf is not just quick 1st step, they can shoot, drive and pass. when you realize what they want, you have to foul. So Only lateral quickness is not enough.
I think he would guard Wiggins, Parker and other bench sf well next season, if he can come.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 5:06pm #915437
20110913He can guard euro sf for sure. he is quick enough to defend them well.
but NBA sf is not just quick 1st step, they can shoot, drive and pass. when you realize what they want, you have to foul. So Only lateral quickness is not enough.
I think he would guard Wiggins, Parker and other bench sf well next season, if he can come.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 7:27pm #915476
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 8:25pm #915496
Anton123ParticipantI don’t see why you would want him as your SF. As a small forward all his strengths become weaknesses – he’s a good shooter and ball handler and a fluid athlete for a big guy, but for a SF he’s a poor shooter and he’s too slow.
Defensively he would suck as a SF. Offensively – how would he take advatage of smaller guys? He can’t post up, can’t go by them, all he’d be able to do would be to shoot over the top of them off a stand-still, which would be a low-percentage shot.
At least as a big guy he can outrun and go by many other bigs, he can also take shot blockers away from the basket with his shooting.
0- Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 8:46pm #915507
King CaluchaParticipantI couldn’t agree more. Porzingis’ strengths are pick and roll defense and weak side shot blocking. Also, just because he’s european it doesn’t mean he has to be a stretch 4, which he will be in the future, but right now his outside game is far from reliable.
I believe his defense alone makes him a lower risk project. If his offense never comes up at least you have someone who can switch effectively in pick and roll situations for some minutes off the bench.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 8:46pm #915638
King CaluchaParticipantI couldn’t agree more. Porzingis’ strengths are pick and roll defense and weak side shot blocking. Also, just because he’s european it doesn’t mean he has to be a stretch 4, which he will be in the future, but right now his outside game is far from reliable.
I believe his defense alone makes him a lower risk project. If his offense never comes up at least you have someone who can switch effectively in pick and roll situations for some minutes off the bench.
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 8:55pm #915515
20110913so he let him play sf. it is reasonabe.
because Now KP can not defend most of PF in NBA.
but he can guard some SF in nba.
that is the point, the time, right now. not next year, not 2 years later.
right now, the best pisition for Kp is sf , not pf, not center
0 - Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 8:55pm #915647
20110913so he let him play sf. it is reasonabe.
because Now KP can not defend most of PF in NBA.
but he can guard some SF in nba.
that is the point, the time, right now. not next year, not 2 years later.
right now, the best pisition for Kp is sf , not pf, not center
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- Posted on: Sat, 06/07/2014 - 8:25pm #915627
Anton123ParticipantI don’t see why you would want him as your SF. As a small forward all his strengths become weaknesses – he’s a good shooter and ball handler and a fluid athlete for a big guy, but for a SF he’s a poor shooter and he’s too slow.
Defensively he would suck as a SF. Offensively – how would he take advatage of smaller guys? He can’t post up, can’t go by them, all he’d be able to do would be to shoot over the top of them off a stand-still, which would be a low-percentage shot.
At least as a big guy he can outrun and go by many other bigs, he can also take shot blockers away from the basket with his shooting.
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