[FastAndFuriousParticipant]

First time watching him play tonight against Iowa State.

BIG BIG TIME PLAYER!

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

I don’t think he called bank on that game tying three, lol but for real this guy is CLUTCH.

[JoeWolf1]

33 on 10-12 shooting, 6-6 from 3. The best game he’s played all year.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Well this is as good a thread as any to state my opinion that anybody thinking of taking B Mac over Bazz in the draft would be making a collossal mistake.

I watched B Mac and Kansas play my alma mata Temple the other night and barely escape the upset victory because Kansas didn’t really have anybody capable of being the go to guy down the stretch that you can give the ball too and he can get you a bucket. B Mac wasn’t that guy against Temple. It was plainly obvious he has to really work on his one on one game in my eyes to become that elite prospect.

Now B Mac just had a HUGE game against Iowa St. going nearly perfect from the field and scoring a career high so this is a good sign that he’s working on his game and improving. But B Mac is 21 years old and you have to wonder how much potential he truly has. 21 is really old for a freshman I don’t care what you say. He’s older then a guy like Jeremy Lamb whose already played 2 years in college, won a national championship, played for Team USA, and is almost halfway through his rookie year, and B Mac as a freshman is older then him, that’s a big deal.

And at the end of the day B Mac isn’t putting up staggering stats, like Bazz is about to start doing.

Also Jeff Whithey is a very underrated prospect this guy is really good. He’s long, tall and athletic, and grabs rebounds and blocks shots at an elite level. He’s also shown me in these last 2 games the ability to get the ball on the block and score with his back to the basket.

I think Whithey is a better prospect at center then Tyler Zeller, and Myers Leonard because of his ability to come in a rebound, block shots, and score in the paint right away.

[JoeWolf1]

I wouldn’t call Bazz’s stats staggering. He’s an inferior rebounder when compared to McLemore, despite having more size, he doesn’t even dish one assist per game and he doesn’t fill the defensive stat sheet at all.

Scoring 20 ppg on good shooting numbers and not a whole lot else isn’t staggering in my opinion.

McLemore isn’t staggering either, but I’d say 16 ppg 5.5 rpg 2.2 apg and over a block and a steal per game are more impressive when talking stats.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

I get what you’re saying but B Mac and Bazz will both be drafted to be scorers because neither one really does anything else at an elite level but score, and Bazz does that significantly better in my eyes with much more room for improvement considering his age and B Mac being a redshirted did give him some experience.

B Mac is also in a role where he should and has to put up more numbers across the board because Kansas isn’t filled with the type of talent UCLA is.

I was also talking about Bazz’ most recent stretch of games, specifically UCLA’s 7 game win streak where Bazz has been averaging over 22 ppg making it relatively easy to figure out why UCLA is on a 7 game win streak. I believe Bazz is only going to keep this momentum up as he has finally rounded into game shape and should only really get better as the year goes on. I mean better then the 22 ppg he has been putting up over the 7 game win streak.

[JoeWolf1]

Yeah, he has been scoring in bunches lately, and he’s grown on me. He really scores the ball well, and I could see him ending the year at over 22 ppg , but I’ve seen him play a few times since his slowish start, but I don’t see him as much more than a scorer( a very good one), at the next level. I don’t see a lot of versitility other than the size to play some SF.

Bazz could give you 16-20 ppg 5 rpg and a guy who can play solid hold your ground style defense against bigger players, but I think Ben could get that same 16-20 and 5 rpg , but dish out 3 assists and be distruptive in the defensive side of the ball, getting out in passing lanes and blocking shots, and using his great lateral quickness and athletic ability to stay against faster players on the wing.

[SiggyParticipant]

Kansas shares the ball better than most elite teams in the nation. Raw stats in that type of system don’t mean much. Efficiency and skill evaluation should take precedence over raw stats anyways.

Withey could be a bigger impact player Zeller, but I doubt he’ll be rebounding at the same rate in the pros since he lacks good lower body strength. The lack of body strength won’t help him establish position in the paint for post ups either. I agree that his shotblocking will translate though.

[SexualFavorsParticipant]

Ben is 19. 2/11/93. Good try though.

[TYOParticipant]

He’s right..Just saw the Kansassports twitter page confirm that Ben is only 19.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Apologies B Mac is actually 20 and will be 21 on the 12 February.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/results/players/_/id/19847/ben-mclemore

His birthday is 2/12/1992 as reported by ESPN.

His birthday is mysteriously left off his athletic profile on Kansas page and numerous other scouting sites I just checked to get confirmation on his birthday. The “other site” does have his birthday as being in 93 tho they have been wrong before and trust ESPN more.

[llperez]

@joewolf, shabazz is an inferior rebounder to ben? You do know inferior means they arent even close right? Ben averages 5.5 and shabazz averages 5.2 playing a minute less. Thats about a toss up. And shabazz is an excellent defender, not sure about stats, but he takes care of his man out there.

[JoeWolf1]

Inferior just means less than. Look it up.

Listen, you can nitpick the words I use because you like Shabazz, but Ben McLemore is a better rebounder.

[llperez]

or you can just admit you were wrong. Shabazz averages .180 rebounds per minute. Ben averages .172 rebounds per minute, less then bazz. Statistically, shabazz is the better rebounder. You can look that up.

[JoeWolf1]

I’ll admit that, per minute Bazz is a better rebounder, by a slight margin. I was just frustrated people kept twisting my words on this thread. Inferior means less, by any margain and I never said Bazz was a bad defender.

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Joewolf thinks just because shabazz doesn’t have a ton of blocks or steals, he’s not a good defender. Smh stop paying so much attention to the box score.

[JoeWolf1]

Mr. Zip made a comment about staggering statistics, to which I was addressing. I stated nothing other than statistics tics in that post, nor did I make a comment about Bazz being a bad defender.

[Lebron’s HairlineParticipant]

Thanks for clearing that up

[SiggyParticipant]

Just using the eye test (as well as some Synergy stats I have access to), Ben looks like the better defender. He has better lateral quickness with more awareness off the ball. Shabazz has better physical tools though as far as length and body strength, but he’s not where Ben is right now. I think Ben’s an elite wing defender at the college level.

[SexualFavorsParticipant]

I do know McLemore is a year older than Beal so 20 makes sense. I’ve looked around and everyone has different birthdays for him.

Ben is now a member of the 180 club (51% FG, 44% 3PT, 89% FT)

As for Shabazz, he has looked good lately, but I’m not 100% sold on him playing the 2 in the NBA. Great size, not extremely quick, kind of reminds me of a smaller Paul Pierce.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

If you knew that B Mac was a year older then Beal why did you try saying he was only 19? I thought it was well known that he was older then Beal considering they played with each other in high school and was a small part of the reason B Mac wasn’t anywhere near as highly touted coming out of high school as Beal was. That and Beal was super polished and B Mac was really raw.

Anyways how can you say Bazz reminds you of a smaller Paul Pierce when they are the same size? Bazz is in fact more athletic then Pierce ever was.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Same size? Isn’t Pierce 6’8ish and Bazz is 6’6ish?

Not a huge difference but they aren’t the same size…

[dbk123Participant]

I like how you accuse of him putting false info while you do it in the same exact post. Shabazz is a little over 6’5 IN SHOES, Pierce is 6’6 without shoes. they are not the same size

[Mr. 19134Participant]

Did you really just create another username to act like somebody else to cosign yourself?!?!? Really? Whatever.floats your boat its not that serious.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

C’Mon with this talk about guys not being able to play a certain position at the next level because they are not freak athletes it’s ridiculous. Bazz is probably more athletic then a majority of NBA 2 guards so he would be able to play that position without any problem.

No Bazz is not as fast at B Mac but that is probably the only advantage B Mac has. Bazz will be able to effectively play either SG or SF at the next level while B Mac will have trouble guarding bigger SF’s because he only has a 6’7″ wingspan and doesn’t have a strong lower base. Bazz has a near 7 foot wingspan and is very strong in both the upper and lower body.

Greivis Vazquez was suppose to be too slow to even be drafted yet alone starting and putting up the numbers he’s doing.

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