[Leonard WashingtonParticipant]

 As everyone knows Analytics within sports is becoming more popular and trending.  I have recently began studying analytics within basketball and have a huge interest in learning more about it.  Does anyone have any insight on this topic?

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Study Economic principles.  Things such as the different regression models, Linear regression and simple regression probably being the most useful for sports.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 Study Economic principles.  Things such as the different regression models, Linear regression and simple regression probably being the most useful for sports.

[Robb_CParticipant]

I’ll give you 3 books to read… Im in the financial/sports betting analysis world as my day job
First read Multivariate Statistical Analysis by Kachigan this will give you a great understanding of correlation analysis,regression analysis, Analysis of Variance and Scaling once you learn the fundamentals through that book which is a great book regreadless of basketball analysis work.. Start reading basketbal analytics by stehen shea and Christipher Baker the book really talks about Top Down vs Bottom up Metrics..most people on Nbadraft.net get caught up on just Top Down metrics but its really a combination of both to really evaluate teams and individuals overal production..also the book teaches you how to survey a players value with metrics (how valuable is this player to another team).. After read that book read Baketball on Paper by Dean Oliver.. One you read the two books I mentioned above Baketball on Paper becomes a lot easier to understand.. Lots of the lingo is Basketball on paper is used by NBA Scouts and can be difficult to understand and follow if you don’t have the proper knowledge before hand example can you tell me what 73 Chi 7d/ 23D~y 78 uta 12 rd /3d+d 73 CHI 33 end?.. This is how scouts Break down game possessions read this boom last so you can apply everything you learned in the first two..

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Rep for the references but I think a book like multivariate statistical analysis might be a little too advanced to start with, you might be setting him up for failure. 

OP what’s your math background like? How comfortable are you with calculus? 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 Rep for the references but I think a book like multivariate statistical analysis might be a little too advanced to start with, you might be setting him up for failure. 

OP what’s your math background like? How comfortable are you with calculus? 

 

[Leonard WashingtonParticipant]

 I purchased 2 books by Stephen Shea last night before I read this, Basketball Analytics: Spatial Tracking and Objective and Effective Strategies to learn how teams win, along with Basketball on Paper: Rules and Tools for Performance Analysis by Dean Oliver.

By what I’ve read, Shea is a guru of analytics and well respected within the NBA community so this read should be beneficial and important for gamblers and scouts alike. And the eye test is a skill that many of us on this site already have to an extent, I’m just trying to dig deeper into how scouts these days use analytics for recruiting and breaking down the game in a different way than what we as fans are used to.

 

[Leonard WashingtonParticipant]

 I purchased 2 books by Stephen Shea last night before I read this, Basketball Analytics: Spatial Tracking and Objective and Effective Strategies to learn how teams win, along with Basketball on Paper: Rules and Tools for Performance Analysis by Dean Oliver.

By what I’ve read, Shea is a guru of analytics and well respected within the NBA community so this read should be beneficial and important for gamblers and scouts alike. And the eye test is a skill that many of us on this site already have to an extent, I’m just trying to dig deeper into how scouts these days use analytics for recruiting and breaking down the game in a different way than what we as fans are used to.

 

[Robb_CParticipant]

I’ll give you 3 books to read… Im in the financial/sports betting analysis world as my day job
First read Multivariate Statistical Analysis by Kachigan this will give you a great understanding of correlation analysis,regression analysis, Analysis of Variance and Scaling once you learn the fundamentals through that book which is a great book regreadless of basketball analysis work.. Start reading basketbal analytics by stehen shea and Christipher Baker the book really talks about Top Down vs Bottom up Metrics..most people on Nbadraft.net get caught up on just Top Down metrics but its really a combination of both to really evaluate teams and individuals overal production..also the book teaches you how to survey a players value with metrics (how valuable is this player to another team).. After read that book read Baketball on Paper by Dean Oliver.. One you read the two books I mentioned above Baketball on Paper becomes a lot easier to understand.. Lots of the lingo is Basketball on paper is used by NBA Scouts and can be difficult to understand and follow if you don’t have the proper knowledge before hand example can you tell me what 73 Chi 7d/ 23D~y 78 uta 12 rd /3d+d 73 CHI 33 end?.. This is how scouts Break down game possessions read this boom last so you can apply everything you learned in the first two..

[Robb_CParticipant]

Sorry for the typos I was typing this from my phone and autocorrect is useless

[Robb_CParticipant]

Sorry for the typos I was typing this from my phone and autocorrect is useless

[King CaluchaParticipant]

The APBR site has a very interesting forum with a lot of amateur people showing off their progress. It’s a good place to start.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

The APBR site has a very interesting forum with a lot of amateur people showing off their progress. It’s a good place to start.

[T Rex]

 Just don’t forget to SEE when you watch a player, or you might find yourself comparing D’Angelo Russell’s athleticism to James Harden and young Ginobli.

analytics nerds aren’t known for their eyes. 

 

[T Rex]

 Just don’t forget to SEE when you watch a player, or you might find yourself comparing D’Angelo Russell’s athleticism to James Harden and young Ginobli.

analytics nerds aren’t known for their eyes. 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

In my limited understanding, analytics is used specifically to take away the eye test. They want to take observational bias out of the equation by just looking at the numbers. If the numbers happen to flag a similarity between (using your example) Russell and Harden, then you can use the eye test with a bit more information behind you. That’s how I see analytics anyway. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

In my limited understanding, analytics is used specifically to take away the eye test. They want to take observational bias out of the equation by just looking at the numbers. If the numbers happen to flag a similarity between (using your example) Russell and Harden, then you can use the eye test with a bit more information behind you. That’s how I see analytics anyway. 

[Robb_CParticipant]

Choppy what you Just explained was how analytic guys solely love top down metrics to scout players where if you use a combination of up down and top down on a guy like D’Angelo Russell you would find he’s a tad bit overrated due to the fact players around him weren’t as effectively productive.

[Robb_CParticipant]

Choppy what you Just explained was how analytic guys solely love top down metrics to scout players where if you use a combination of up down and top down on a guy like D’Angelo Russell you would find he’s a tad bit overrated due to the fact players around him weren’t as effectively productive.

[ChoppyParticipant]

So what is bottom up metrics? What information is that based on? I don’t have a maths/stats background (science though) but it does interest me how they come up with these analyses.

[ChoppyParticipant]

So what is bottom up metrics? What information is that based on? I don’t have a maths/stats background (science though) but it does interest me how they come up with these analyses.

[Robb_CParticipant]

Top down measures a players performance statistically by the production of a whole lineup.. Example +/- , a combination of bottom up and top down is the best way to asses a players value

[Robb_CParticipant]

Top down measures a players performance statistically by the production of a whole lineup.. Example +/- , a combination of bottom up and top down is the best way to asses a players value

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Thanks mate.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Thanks mate.

[T Rex]

Is the eye test a non-factor, or do you advise using the eye test as part of a larger equation?

Because we’ve seen pretty steady misses by teams drafting unathletic guards who don’t pan out anywhere near worth their draft position.

Of course, with the short Buss family and their coach, the eye test just leads them astray.

 

 

 

 

[T Rex]

Is the eye test a non-factor, or do you advise using the eye test as part of a larger equation?

Because we’ve seen pretty steady misses by teams drafting unathletic guards who don’t pan out anywhere near worth their draft position.

Of course, with the short Buss family and their coach, the eye test just leads them astray.

 

 

 

 

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