Bargnani and Howard, match made in heaven?

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Bargnani and Howard, match made in heaven?

It's becoming more and more apparent that Ed Davis is more valued in Toronto than Bargnani, and I don't think either will succeed with the other around, so Andrea needs to go.

I think there would be no better place in the NBA for Bargs than Orlando. He's the ultimate stretch 4 with his shooting ability and length, plus he'd benefit enormously from Dwight drawing doubles and having his back on D.

However, Toronto won't give up a former #1 pick for nothing. This might sound nuts, but I say trade Bass and Nelson for Bargnani. Yes, Nelson is a great player, but Arenas is still his match as a player, or will be if he gets the opportunity in Orlando. His slump isn't physical, it's spiritual, if he's given the starting PG nod he'll produce in my opinion. Plus, Nelson has a lot more trade value clearly. Bass has never really fit in with Orlando's stretch 4 mould, but he's good enough to start for teams wanting a traditional energy PF. Toronto gets that, and a proven leader in Nelson who would provide some much needed toughness in Toronto.

This also frees up Toronto to draft Barnes to solve their SF dilemma or Kanter to play C. Lineups would be along these lines after the trade;

Toronto;

PG - Nelson
SG - Derozan
SF - Barnes
PF - Bass
C - Davis

Orlando;

PG - Arenas
SG - Richardson
SF - Hedo
PF - Bargnani
C - Dwight

I honestly think both those teams get a lot better, and Orlando in particular becomes a contender. I know the trades would need more tweaking to work, but as a rough concept, what do you think of the idea, in particular Dwight and Bargnani playing together?


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Dwight needs help in the

Dwight needs help in the paint, not a pansy. Imagine if you put a 15-8 type guy next to Dwight who can go inside and out instead of a 20-5 wussy?

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It can work as bargs streches

It can work as bargs streches the floor, but i would rather give up arenas then nelson.

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Also bargs needs a real coach who will actually develop him, jay triano is not it. Ewing would make a good mentor to him as he is to howard

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Uh wasnt lewis a stretch4?

Uh wasnt lewis a stretch4? And where is he now? Even tho he's not as tall as bargani you get the idea.

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I think anyone next to Howard

I think anyone next to Howard would look good, he helped Turkoglu get that large contract. Bargani is a better player than Turkoglu so it would be an upgrade at the PF, but I'm not sure if that's what they need to win it all.

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I would consider lewis as a

I would consider lewis as a SF put out of position as a PF, so Turkaglu could be a sf. Plus Bargs would be in his natural position as a pf, and like i also stated Ewing can serve as a mentor and help him improve his post game

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Yeah Lewis was never capable

Yeah Lewis was never capable defensively at the 4, Bargnani can be with more development. Plus, Ewing would relish the chance to work with a big man who could shoot.

I too would rather give up Arenas, but he has little trade value with such a bad contract and little production. Nelson is the most easily replaceable.

Also, Dwight doesn't really need help in the paint, he's doing pretty well from what I've seen. Orlando was most successful with a sharpshooter PF keeping the opposition PF from doubling Howard. I don't see how another post player is going to help Dwight really.

Say they get Bargs, is it enough to keep Dwight in Orlando?

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Orlando might do this trade

Orlando might do this trade but I doubt they give up Nelson unless they got Calderon back. In that case though, Orl would have 3/5th's of the Raps former starting lineup... which went nowhere. It would also be sad to lose Bass. I thought Bass and Gortat were 2 of the best contracts in the league and Orlando will have traded them for players who were twice as expensive for similar production. I could see Howard leaving if this trade went down.

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Bargs is just Ryan Anderson

Bargs is just Ryan Anderson but gets starter minutes

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If Anderson played 36 minutes

If Anderson played 36 minutes a game (Bargs minutes) he would average 17.8 pts 9.1 rebs while shooting 39% from 3.

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trade does not work financially

That trade does not even work financially (Check it out in the trade machine). I also think that Bass would be better suited as the backup to Davis. Plus I think it would be better if the Raptors drafted Kanter or Jonas because Davis is a little small for the Center and nor is he a traditional Center. I don't think I've ever seen a team that starts a 6'9 center. The small forward need can wait. Center is more important than SF and the 2012 draft is filled with SF. The Raps are bound to find their SF there.

I do agree though that Orlando would be the perfect place for Bargs, or Milwaukee but the Bucks really don't have any trade assets other then Redd and the Raptors would never want him.

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Ben Wallace and Brian Grant

Ben Wallace and Brian Grant were only 6'9. Do you see Sullinger as a PF?

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If you consider Lewis a 3 yud have to consider Bargs as a 3

Lewis guards bigs better and is a better rebounder, Hes more fit to be upfront then Bargs

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Yeah I'm not a big trade

Yeah I'm not a big trade machine guy, I just sort of throw ideas out there to see what people think without getting caught up in the details. I don't think Anderson is near the calibre of Bargnani, even though they play a similar style.

You're right, if I were Toronto I'd draft the best C I could find in this draft, probably Kanter, I just knew Davis was playing minutes at C this season.

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Ed Davis is suited for power

Ed Davis is suited for power forward, not center. I dont even think trading is the answer, we have a lot of cap space and there are some quality centers that will be available in the offseason. I wouldnt want Nelson as the starting PG for our team, we neeed a pass first, athletic, and defensive minded point guard to run our team. I actually like Calderon instead of Nelson to be honest. Jerryd Bayless seems like hes coming into his own and I think he could potentially be our starting point guard, with time. What we do know for sure, is that DeRozan is our starting SG of the future, and Davis is our starting PF of the future. We need to draft an athletic SF that can run the floor and get to the basket at will. I think Perry Jones is actually the answer, even though a lot of people think he's overrated. His FG% is extremely good, and he gets enough rebounds for being a SF with his skinnier bodyframe.

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Nelson means too much to the Magic

I can't see them parting with Jameer Nelson AND Bass just to get Bargnani. Nelson rarely gets any hype aside from that one All-Star appearance but he contributes too much now to their success, they clearly struggle when Arenas is running the point because he either is still dealing with mental issues or hasn't learned the system. Nelson is also the consummate teammate and is beloved in that locker room.

In regards to Bass, the more I watch them play, the more I love how the Magic can put a guy like him next to Dwight because if they match up with Chicago in the second round, they have two strong, physical bodies who can put that frontcourt into foul trouble. Bass' per-minute numbers are also extremely impressive and he is undoubtedly one of the most underrated players in the league.

From a fit standpoint for Bargnani, playing next to a guy like Howard would probably be the best thing to ever happen to his career, he clearly needs that big physical presence behind him so he isn't the last line of defense. However, under these circumstances I don't think it makes the Magic a better team at all, and I'm not too sure it even puts the Raptors on a much better path then what they are on now.

An interesting fit would to see Bargnani on a team like Indiana and mix up that frontline with Hibbert, Foster, Bargnani, and Psycho T but I just can't see that happening in the near future.

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Bargnani will never live up

Bargnani will never live up to his potential until he commits himself to getting stronger and in better shape. He just doesn't look cut like a professional athlete should.

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Don't try to tell me Ryan

Don't try to tell me Ryan Anderson would put up similar/better numbers to Bragnani if he was the #1 option on a team, he could never take people off the dribble or have success in an isolation. The two players are not even comparable...that being said, Bargnani is just not the fit for the direction Toronto is going, and something obviously needs to be done. I have no idea what other GMs think of him so I can't even begin to speculate on what Toronto could get for him...

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