Is Austin Rivers being called overrated so much that he's on the Cusp of being underrated?

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Is Austin Rivers being called overrated so much that he's on the Cusp of being underrated?

90%(if not more) of the articles you pull up about Austin Rivers will talk about how he is overrated, he shouldn't have gotten drafted number 10, and how he will fail at the point guard position for the Hornets.

I don't think i've seen a top 5 recruit in recent years, being so doubted after a good year in college. It wasn't great but it definitely wasn't bad. He led Duke in scoring in an offense that didn't particularly suit his skills. His high school career was amazing and he showed off his great ball handling skills and how great of a scorer he is.

I personally think it'll take some growing, but I do think he'll be successful in the league, as a combo guard. As Jalen Rose said "positions were only created for basketball novice to follow the game." Players really just play their game now and teams build around them. Players like Lebron, Joe Johnson, Hedo Turkoglu & Lamar Odom bring/brought the ball up court and set up the offense, none of those players would be considered true point guards. Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings are all scorers but they aren't shooting guards are small forwards and other players on their teams set up the offense sometimes while they are on the court.

Players just play to their strengths, yes Austin Rivers is an attacking scorer, yes he just played okay at Duke, but the people he say he can't pass the ball, haven't truly followed his game, in High School, he played 1 and the 2, and passed the ball like Stephen Curry did in college and how he does in the NBA right now. Also Point guards don't have to average 10 assists now. Besides Chris Paul, Rondo, Steve Nash and Rubio, most of the upper echelon point guards are scorers first now.

Simply put he is being called overrated so much, I think he's going to be underrated when the season starts. He'll have growing pains as most players do, but I think he and Eric Gordon will operate how Westbrook and Harden operate when they are on the court together. 2 scorers that can pass, but are scorers first. Also the floor will be spaced for them with Ryan Anderson on the court, and they'll have a pretty strong defense so they can get out and run and play to the strengths of their players, especially Aminu, Rivers, Davis, and Gordon.

I think Rivers is about to be underrated, what are your thoughts?


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Point guards will always have

Point guards will always have their place in the game but the league is kind of getting away from true point guards. I think the game is more about guys that can create and make the right play. Look at the Thunder, they made it to the finals without a true point guard. They had Westbrook, Harden, and Durant handling the rock and making the right plays. Look at Miami, they get away with Lebron and Wade doing most of the ball handling. Point is, New Orleans may be trying to have multiple guys that can handle the ball and make the right decisions. If that is the case Austin Rivers should be great. If they want him to be Chris Paul they are mistaken. I really like the direction NO is heading.

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You made some good points. I

You made some good points. I think Duke's system has covered up a lot Rivers' strengths but the good thing is that he can learn from his experience knowing that he cannot just be the 'man' of the team. His somewhat large ego might actually benefit him as confidence in the league is the most important thing since everyone in the league hast the talent to be good but main thing is they don't have the confidence to showcase them. He probably has the best ball-handling in his class and good jumpshot which can really help him in the league It will be interesting to see how he works with Gordon and hopefully we' ll see some lobs from him to Davis.

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Fair assessment of Rivers.

Fair assessment of Rivers. You have to remember that Rivers averaged more turnovers than assists at Duke. He is not a natural point and not natural at getting other teammates involved which was obvious watching him play at Duke. It's not really his fault because at Winter Park, his team wasn't very good and he had to have big scoring games for his team to win. I feel like Rivers best bet at succeeding in the NBA is to learn how to play off the ball and utilize screens. This might be difficult for him to develop since he has been used to having the ball in his hands for his whole life. If Rivers tries to isolate, take his man off the dribble and finish at the rim, which he wasnt very good at at Duke because of his lack of strength and average leaping ability, then he will struggle.

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Post like this will keep him in the Overrated category

there are several other great young Guards in the NBA and College yet Rivers seems to dominate headlines and Forum boards, he's got a long career in front of him and I think he will be very successful as a scoring Guard...I however don't think he has a future as a Point Guard...I think the Hornets have two great Sg's and NO POINT GUARD, they also got the best Pf prospect to enter the NBA since Garnett and Duncan so they'll need to find a set up man ASAP...

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I thinks its still to soon to

I thinks its still to soon to tell. He's a top ten pick, so people will expect alot out of him.

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I agree with that, but it

I agree with that, but it seems as people just expect him to bust instead of realizing he does have tremendous potential. In sports, it's all about potential, sure things are rare.

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The point is there isn't any

The point is there isn't any post like this, that's why I did. Every post is condemning him. You hear no one saying Bradley Beal will be a bust, Beal also didn't have a great freshman year, it was good but not great. Dion Waiters gets more Dwayne Wade comparison than bust labels and that's after showing up to summer league out of shape.

People were saying Austin Rivers was selfish and his teammates hated him, they spoke out about it and that was debunked.

In my opinion if Stephen Curry, Russell Westbrook, Rodney Stuckey, and Jerryd Bayless can all be combo/point guards in the league so can Austin Rivers. People carry disdain for Austin Rivers like he hurt them in some kind of way. If everyone doesn't know all of those players mentioned abover averaged the same amount of assists as turnovers in college at some point. Stephen Curry did it for 2 years.

This website is supposed to be where we offer our objective basketball opinions, not where we are biased towards our favorite players. Or we can listen to other people state facts or their opinions. When Austin Rivers was coming out of high school not one post on this site was about how he couldn't be a point guard, they were about how he would be this great "SCORING POINT GUARD," now that he's coming into the NBA as a "SCORING POINT GUARD" everyone hates him. Pick a side people, Opinions can change but no one is really offering a reason or being objective to the situation. He has the same potenital he had coming out of high school. He played in a college system that didn't suit his skill set. He knows he has to work to be a good point guard in this league, he has the confidence and a good support system. He is a learner and a student of the game, his one year with Coach K helped him a ton, every player will tell you just spending a day with coach K helps out, He has all of the tools to be successful, so stop bashing him based on biased opinions. Do I think he's going to be an MVP candidate, no, but I do think he has the talent to be an all-star guard one day.

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I just think some people

I just think some people thought he was going to dominate and get ACC POY when an informed viewer understood he had no chance at such a feat during the All-American games at the end of his senior year where his stock immediately dropped. Most knew then that he wasn't going to be Kyrie Irving...and besides even though everyone said he underachieved he still got 1st team All-ACC.

The Juice I know you posted something different than everyone else, but I just think that people need to stop posting about him all the time because that leads to some people thinking that he is overrated because he is talked about so much.

I personally don't think he'll get on an All-Rookie team, but I am willing to give him a couple years to get adjusted in the league because he is not NBA-ready imo body wise or skill development wise. Just let him grow without all this constant negative attention and I think he can be a great player in the league.

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Looking at their roster, it

Looking at their roster, it appears Greivis Vasquez will be starting at the point..I'm hoping they plan to acquire another playmaker..Becuz Vasquez is an overacheiver and is better suited to be a backup...Rivers best asset is his ability to score...And asking him to run to team will keep him from being aggressive on the ofensive end..After the draft,I read that Monty Williams said he think Rivers can be another Russell Westbrook....He's not in Westbrook's league yet..He's more like a Monta Ellis or OJ Mayo..They can play pg at times during games,but are better at scoring then setting up others....

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Him being 1st team all-acc

Him being 1st team all-acc was a joke, especially ahead of Kendall Marshall who was the Cousy award winner and 3rd team all american. Compare that to Rivers who wasn't on any AA list.

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the focus should not be on

the focus should not be on him to score points, unfortunately, the situation he is going to, its going to be inevitable. I would like his chances if he was experimented on purely distributing and learning how to be a solid PG. the scoring is already there. then 2 or 3 years down the road, if his playmaking doesnt pan out....then he will always have a spot as instant offense off the bench. The biggest thing for him is to not have a "me first" attitude all the time, he is not that type of talent to carry a team. He has to make himself an asset outside of just scoring. He needs to play hard each possession.

I dont subscribe to the theory of a lot of players being overrated or underrated, but some clearly are. I look at it as having an opportunity to develop (which Austin may not have) and what you make of that opportunity.

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That sounds like an awful

That sounds like an awful idea. You're basically saying that they should try to get him to not play his game. That he should try to be something that he's not. That is how teams ruin players.

Quite frankly, I don't think he's a good enough player to be considered either underrated or overrated.

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If he can score in the NBA,

If he can score in the NBA, then he should score in the NBA. The problem is that I don't think he will be able to score efficiently in the NBA. He couldn't score efficiently on college players, so why think he can do it against NBA guys? Maybe his body is still developing and he will get stronger and faster and his game will improve. But that might only be enough to get him to the point where he would be a good college player. Since I've been hearing about him for years, I have to remind myself he is only 19. He was a mediocre SG last year in college when you compare him to the other college starters. But comparing him just to the Freshmen starters and I bet he starts to look a lot better.

I'm one of the guys trashing him on this forum, so I guess I might be part of the problem of making him now underrated. But seriously they guy got unwarranted love. He is supposed to be this greater scorer. Just two problems. The ball doesn't go in the basket and also that jump shot form looks janky.

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