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  • #49970
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    Bobcats signed patrick ewing as assistant coach and he had been the assistant coach of teams that had dwight and yao. I dont think noel will still be available for the 4th pick, that is why I wonder are the bobcats looking to draft alex len?

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  • #795418
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    I don’t think they hired Ewing just so he can coach up a rookie big from this years draft. Len is a possibility of course but I like Zeller more than Len. Len might have more upside but Zeller has less bust potential.

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  • #795489
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    I don’t think they hired Ewing just so he can coach up a rookie big from this years draft. Len is a possibility of course but I like Zeller more than Len. Len might have more upside but Zeller has less bust potential.

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  • #795428
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    I think they’ll go with either Zeller or Len. Either one would be a good fit with Biyombo up front.

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  • #795499
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    FutureNBAGM
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    I think they’ll go with either Zeller or Len. Either one would be a good fit with Biyombo up front.

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  • #795442
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    I don’t see Alex Len panning out in the nba. I really like zeller on the other hand. I also really like Bennett on the bobcats. But I really do think he will be the dion waiter of this years draft and gets picked up at 3 by the wiz. Patrick Ewing probably doesn’t have much of an impact on who the bobcats draft. But honestly IMO the bobcats need an upgrade at every position beside 3/2- Mkg.
    And no. Kemba is not a starter on a good playoff team but he’s a perfect Eddie house type 6th man

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    • #795470
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      This is a HORRIBLE POST.

      Kemba Walker was one of the most improved PG’s, offensively and defensively. He had some of the tightest handles in the NBA, acrobatic score, great scorer/passer…improved shooter.

      posted a PER of 18.9, almost a 20 PER….Walker would easily start over Mario Chalmers…

      One of Kemba’s best attributes is his ballhandling, and that paid off in multiple ways. For one, he managed to keep his turnovers relatively low, especially given his role on the team, heavy minutes and a high usage rate. It also helped him put up points: According to MySynergySports.com, the pick-and-roll made up the largest percentage of his scoring plays, and his .87 points per possession was good for 32nd in the league. He also showed improvement in isolation, where Synergy rated him 85th among qualifying players. That gave the Bobcats a decently reliable one-on-one creator that it’s lacked in the past. It also led to some memorable moments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw_lWY_doLc

      Walker still has a ways to go as a defender, but he has active hands and a good sense of timing. He was top-five in total steals, and top-10 in steal percentage among qualifying players. For a team that relied heavily on the fast break, Kemba’s ability to force turnovers came in handy.

      Walker has proven to be very durable, and hasn’t missed a game in his two-year career. The streak continued this season despite a significant increase in playing time. Kemba saw 673 more minutes than his next-closest teammate, the equivalent of 14 48-minute games.

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      • #795719
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        in chalmers defense, he’s a great defender, and lebron and wade handle the ball most of the time. but i have to agree with you, kemba is the real deal.

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      • #795791
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        in chalmers defense, he’s a great defender, and lebron and wade handle the ball most of the time. but i have to agree with you, kemba is the real deal.

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    • #795541
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      This is a HORRIBLE POST.

      Kemba Walker was one of the most improved PG’s, offensively and defensively. He had some of the tightest handles in the NBA, acrobatic score, great scorer/passer…improved shooter.

      posted a PER of 18.9, almost a 20 PER….Walker would easily start over Mario Chalmers…

      One of Kemba’s best attributes is his ballhandling, and that paid off in multiple ways. For one, he managed to keep his turnovers relatively low, especially given his role on the team, heavy minutes and a high usage rate. It also helped him put up points: According to MySynergySports.com, the pick-and-roll made up the largest percentage of his scoring plays, and his .87 points per possession was good for 32nd in the league. He also showed improvement in isolation, where Synergy rated him 85th among qualifying players. That gave the Bobcats a decently reliable one-on-one creator that it’s lacked in the past. It also led to some memorable moments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw_lWY_doLc

      Walker still has a ways to go as a defender, but he has active hands and a good sense of timing. He was top-five in total steals, and top-10 in steal percentage among qualifying players. For a team that relied heavily on the fast break, Kemba’s ability to force turnovers came in handy.

      Walker has proven to be very durable, and hasn’t missed a game in his two-year career. The streak continued this season despite a significant increase in playing time. Kemba saw 673 more minutes than his next-closest teammate, the equivalent of 14 48-minute games.

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    • #795676
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      I disagree with your assessment of Kemba, but I agree about Len. The guy is literally making it in this draft based on being an injured giant. I think he’s this years Myers Lenard. Noel, Zeller, Noguira,Muscala, Olynyk and Adams are all Cs I would draft before Len (and Adams has similar size while putting up better reb/stl/blk numbers so if you want a big man project with SIZE, take Adams).

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    • #795604
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      I disagree with your assessment of Kemba, but I agree about Len. The guy is literally making it in this draft based on being an injured giant. I think he’s this years Myers Lenard. Noel, Zeller, Noguira,Muscala, Olynyk and Adams are all Cs I would draft before Len (and Adams has similar size while putting up better reb/stl/blk numbers so if you want a big man project with SIZE, take Adams).

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  • #795513
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    I don’t see Alex Len panning out in the nba. I really like zeller on the other hand. I also really like Bennett on the bobcats. But I really do think he will be the dion waiter of this years draft and gets picked up at 3 by the wiz. Patrick Ewing probably doesn’t have much of an impact on who the bobcats draft. But honestly IMO the bobcats need an upgrade at every position beside 3/2- Mkg.
    And no. Kemba is not a starter on a good playoff team but he’s a perfect Eddie house type 6th man

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  • #795448
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    Honestly I think ewing will be the next coach if our new coach doesn’t pan out. Ewing was a top candidate last year before dunlap got the job.

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  • #795519
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    Honestly I think ewing will be the next coach if our new coach doesn’t pan out. Ewing was a top candidate last year before dunlap got the job.

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  • #795454
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    He will have an impact on Mullens, Boyombo, hopeful Thomas, and McRoberts. He will have no impact on who they draft. I hjope they grab Zeller, but they may grab Oladipo and let Henderson walk. Either move works, it depends on what happens 1-3.

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  • #795525
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    He will have an impact on Mullens, Boyombo, hopeful Thomas, and McRoberts. He will have no impact on who they draft. I hjope they grab Zeller, but they may grab Oladipo and let Henderson walk. Either move works, it depends on what happens 1-3.

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  • #795480
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    I hope Ewing finally gets a shot. Honestly it disgusts me as a Knick fan that Ewing didnt find his way on to a Knick Bench in some capacity yet.

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  • #795551
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    I hope Ewing finally gets a shot. Honestly it disgusts me as a Knick fan that Ewing didnt find his way on to a Knick Bench in some capacity yet.

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  • #795492
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    The thing I like about Len is his great speed and coordination for a big man; a very valuable asset when transferring from college to the NBA. I feel that with some quality coaching Len could really develop his offensive game and potentially become one of the better players from this years draft.

    And to the person who said Kemba Walker is not a worthy starter here are some stats for you: At the PG position he ranked 6th in PPG, 9th in RPG, 4th in BLKPG, 5th in STPG making a strong case that he is a top 10 point guard in the NBA. Not a starter?

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  • #795563
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    The thing I like about Len is his great speed and coordination for a big man; a very valuable asset when transferring from college to the NBA. I feel that with some quality coaching Len could really develop his offensive game and potentially become one of the better players from this years draft.

    And to the person who said Kemba Walker is not a worthy starter here are some stats for you: At the PG position he ranked 6th in PPG, 9th in RPG, 4th in BLKPG, 5th in STPG making a strong case that he is a top 10 point guard in the NBA. Not a starter?

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  • #795498
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    I wouldn’t go with Len, you have BJ who has improved year over year and did good last year (when healthy) Bobcats need a scorer. Swap with CLE draft Ben and CLE takes Len..that would be a good fit.

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    • #795706
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      B.J. Shot over 200 threes at a 32% clip. That’s horrid for a supposed center. He wouldn’t get over 20 minutes for a decent team. I don’t think Mullens should be considered a building block or a deterrent from drafting a big.

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    • #795634
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      B.J. Shot over 200 threes at a 32% clip. That’s horrid for a supposed center. He wouldn’t get over 20 minutes for a decent team. I don’t think Mullens should be considered a building block or a deterrent from drafting a big.

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  • #795569
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    I wouldn’t go with Len, you have BJ who has improved year over year and did good last year (when healthy) Bobcats need a scorer. Swap with CLE draft Ben and CLE takes Len..that would be a good fit.

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  • #795516
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    Patrick has been in the mix for head coaching jobs in the past and I know that is his ultimate goal. I think his old friend Michael is giving him an opportunity as the #1 assistant in Charlotte because Ewing really is a good coach and it’s a mutually beneficial situation. Len is certainly in the Mix for the Bobcats, but I think they’re a hard team to peg right now. They could go Len, Bennett, Oladipo, Noel or McLemore right now…It’s gonna rely on how the top 3 picks pan out because I feel they’ll nab up the BPA and their team needs are big men and shooting guards and that is pretty much all of the top 5 or 6 prospects outside of Otto Porter.

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  • #795587
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    Patrick has been in the mix for head coaching jobs in the past and I know that is his ultimate goal. I think his old friend Michael is giving him an opportunity as the #1 assistant in Charlotte because Ewing really is a good coach and it’s a mutually beneficial situation. Len is certainly in the Mix for the Bobcats, but I think they’re a hard team to peg right now. They could go Len, Bennett, Oladipo, Noel or McLemore right now…It’s gonna rely on how the top 3 picks pan out because I feel they’ll nab up the BPA and their team needs are big men and shooting guards and that is pretty much all of the top 5 or 6 prospects outside of Otto Porter.

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  • #795518
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    ph90702

    Alex Len has arguably the highest reward of anybody in the draft. He can be a 20-10 player down the road.

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    • #795546
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      He averaged 11 points (on 50.6 percent shooting) and 7.9 rebounds in the ACC, and in two years at Maryland had exactly one game where he amassed 20 points and 10 rebounds.

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      • #795668
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        So what? Andrew Bynum came into the NBA out of high school, and he averaged 1.6 and 7.8 points per game in his first two seasons. In 2011-12, he averaged 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds per game. The point I’m making is that you can learn skills over time if you have ability. Alex Len can flourish with time and good coaching. He’s got good very good physical tools, plays well on defense, and shows strong flashes on offense. Finally, you can put up better numbers in the NBA than you do in college. Chris Bosh played one season at Georgia Tech, and he averaged 15.7 points and 9 rebounds per game. He’s had three seasons in the NBA where he’s averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per game.

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      • #795596
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        So what? Andrew Bynum came into the NBA out of high school, and he averaged 1.6 and 7.8 points per game in his first two seasons. In 2011-12, he averaged 18.7 points and 11.8 rebounds per game. The point I’m making is that you can learn skills over time if you have ability. Alex Len can flourish with time and good coaching. He’s got good very good physical tools, plays well on defense, and shows strong flashes on offense. Finally, you can put up better numbers in the NBA than you do in college. Chris Bosh played one season at Georgia Tech, and he averaged 15.7 points and 9 rebounds per game. He’s had three seasons in the NBA where he’s averaged 20 points and 10 rebounds per game.

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        • #795718
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          Chris Bosh was ACC Rookie of the Year. He was also named to the All-Atlantic Coast Conference second team and to the ACC All-Defensive Team, the only freshman to make either first or second team. He was far more productive, showed off a far more developed skill set, and was a much better athlete. As a sophomore, Len was not on any of the All-ACC teams nor was he All-Defensive. Compare him to the other ACC players from this past year who were playing center: Mason Plumlee, James McAdoo, Richard Howell, Mike Tobey, Julian Gamble, Daniel Miller, etc. He was really just a guy with a couple nice games. The numbers said it, Maryland’s record said it, and the lack of achievement said it. It is a far cry from what Chris Bosh did and most elite prospects do.

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        • #795645
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          Chris Bosh was ACC Rookie of the Year. He was also named to the All-Atlantic Coast Conference second team and to the ACC All-Defensive Team, the only freshman to make either first or second team. He was far more productive, showed off a far more developed skill set, and was a much better athlete. As a sophomore, Len was not on any of the All-ACC teams nor was he All-Defensive. Compare him to the other ACC players from this past year who were playing center: Mason Plumlee, James McAdoo, Richard Howell, Mike Tobey, Julian Gamble, Daniel Miller, etc. He was really just a guy with a couple nice games. The numbers said it, Maryland’s record said it, and the lack of achievement said it. It is a far cry from what Chris Bosh did and most elite prospects do.

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          • #795689
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            ph90702

            Do you know what the word potential means?

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            • #795833
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              Yes, and I am also really well aware of the vast divide that exists between where he is right now and what you seem to think he can be. Given his underwhelming play, skinny build, and awkward style, explain to me why he would have more potential than say Meyers Leonard? Not only was Leonard more polished and a better athlete, he played at a higher level on a more consistent basis (and he was not the most consistent guy in the world) than Len. Should the excitement over Leonard’s potential give ease to Portland when in the mean time they have a huge whole at center that is wasting Aldridge’s prime? When you look at Charlotte’s roster, I remember hearing about Mullens’ potential, Biyombo’s potential, Walker’s potential, and Kidd-Gilchrist’s potential. They have put Charlotte at the bottom of the league in everything. Len’s present state is not going to help Charlotte, and I fail to see where this great 20-10 upside comes from.

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            • #795903
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              Yes, and I am also really well aware of the vast divide that exists between where he is right now and what you seem to think he can be. Given his underwhelming play, skinny build, and awkward style, explain to me why he would have more potential than say Meyers Leonard? Not only was Leonard more polished and a better athlete, he played at a higher level on a more consistent basis (and he was not the most consistent guy in the world) than Len. Should the excitement over Leonard’s potential give ease to Portland when in the mean time they have a huge whole at center that is wasting Aldridge’s prime? When you look at Charlotte’s roster, I remember hearing about Mullens’ potential, Biyombo’s potential, Walker’s potential, and Kidd-Gilchrist’s potential. They have put Charlotte at the bottom of the league in everything. Len’s present state is not going to help Charlotte, and I fail to see where this great 20-10 upside comes from.

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          • #795761
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            ph90702

            Do you know what the word potential means?

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      • #795680
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        Per 40 pace adjusted he averaged 17.5 and 11.5. It’s his steal number that has me questioning the claims about ” great speed and coordination for a big man;” 0.3 steals per 40 is just a stupidly low number that says he doesn’t move well.

        Alligator arms Zeller had 1.4 stl/40 but only 1.7 blks
        Steven (I’m raw but huge just like Len) Adams had 1.2 steals and 3.7 blocks
        Muscala had .7 steals and 3.1 steals (great value late first round with his 14.8 rebounds and 24 points per 40)
        Nerlens Noel had a whopping 5.4 blocks and an incredible 2.6 steals per 40.

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      • #795608
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        Per 40 pace adjusted he averaged 17.5 and 11.5. It’s his steal number that has me questioning the claims about ” great speed and coordination for a big man;” 0.3 steals per 40 is just a stupidly low number that says he doesn’t move well.

        Alligator arms Zeller had 1.4 stl/40 but only 1.7 blks
        Steven (I’m raw but huge just like Len) Adams had 1.2 steals and 3.7 blocks
        Muscala had .7 steals and 3.1 steals (great value late first round with his 14.8 rebounds and 24 points per 40)
        Nerlens Noel had a whopping 5.4 blocks and an incredible 2.6 steals per 40.

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        • #795695
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          ph90702

          Steals are an overrated statistic. He has great lateral quickness for somebody his size. Fast forward the video to 5:50.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbn5U7aI2Ng

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        • #795624
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          ph90702

          Steals are an overrated statistic. He has great lateral quickness for somebody his size. Fast forward the video to 5:50.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbn5U7aI2Ng

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          • #795752
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            Hmm I’ll disagree strongly here

            College Centers and C/F with PPG>10 and Steals/game 10 and Steals/game >1.5
            http://cbbref.com/tiny/PcayF — Brand, Faried, West, Monroe and just because I knew to look for it ’84 Olijuwon (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/hakeem-olajuwon-1.html) — clearly there’s something wrong with their search tool.

            In general to get steals you need some of: length, quickness, hustle and BBIQ … I think it’s a great predictor of success even at the C position; Clearly not by itself, but it’s a great way to separate two otherwise equal prospects and there’s simply no reason a guy who moves as well as you claim Len does should have gotten so few of them unless he simply didn’t care..

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          • #795823
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            Hmm I’ll disagree strongly here

            College Centers and C/F with PPG>10 and Steals/game 10 and Steals/game >1.5
            http://cbbref.com/tiny/PcayF — Brand, Faried, West, Monroe and just because I knew to look for it ’84 Olijuwon (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/hakeem-olajuwon-1.html) — clearly there’s something wrong with their search tool.

            In general to get steals you need some of: length, quickness, hustle and BBIQ … I think it’s a great predictor of success even at the C position; Clearly not by itself, but it’s a great way to separate two otherwise equal prospects and there’s simply no reason a guy who moves as well as you claim Len does should have gotten so few of them unless he simply didn’t care..

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        • #795649
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          Him being in foul trouble and games where he was disinterested played a role in his minute load, and should not be overlooked.

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          • #795699
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            ph90702

            I never said that they shouldn’t be overlooked. Wherever he goes, it will be up to coaches to get him to consistently play hard.

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          • #795771
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            ph90702

            I never said that they shouldn’t be overlooked. Wherever he goes, it will be up to coaches to get him to consistently play hard.

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          • #795756
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            lets be honest, if a guy is disinterested I don’t want to draft him. That’s a massive red flag that says I’m playing ball because I’m huge, not because I want to and it rarely changes at the next level.

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          • #795827
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            lets be honest, if a guy is disinterested I don’t want to draft him. That’s a massive red flag that says I’m playing ball because I’m huge, not because I want to and it rarely changes at the next level.

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        • #795722
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          Him being in foul trouble and games where he was disinterested played a role in his minute load, and should not be overlooked.

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    • #795617
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      He averaged 11 points (on 50.6 percent shooting) and 7.9 rebounds in the ACC, and in two years at Maryland had exactly one game where he amassed 20 points and 10 rebounds.

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  • #795589
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    ph90702

    Alex Len has arguably the highest reward of anybody in the draft. He can be a 20-10 player down the road.

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