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4th pick.....

Lakers & Celtics engaged with Pelicans regarding Anthony Davis trade - per Woj

Pelicans are said to be exploring the market with the Lakers 4th pick to see if they can attract an All-Star in return for the pick. If they can it could essentially get the deal done!

Here is my question, who could the Pelicans get with the 4th pick?

There are 2 All-Stars that I can think of being available. One is Bradley Beal & the other is Demar Derozan.
Bradley Beal is on the most dysfunctional team in the NBA (Sorry Phoenix, you 2nd) & they don't have a GM so there is no one making decisions up there.
Demar DeRozan is 30yrs old & basically refuses to shoot the 3-ball. I really like Demar, but he needs to be next to a legit Superstar to get the most out of what he offers & Pelicans don't have that.


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Why do people think Demar is being shopped lol

The Spurs traded the potential Finals MVP for him just this year, they'll want to see what the Team can do with a Full year and Off Season to gel (Plus get back a healthy Murray/Walker and a older Derrick White)

And again, the end goal is to land the Lakers Anthony Davis via the Spurs involvement?

Pop would retire on bad terms if they decided to trade away 1 of the 2 remaining All Stars on the Roster?

This move makes the Spurs a Tanking Team? Nope...

Now as far as The Wizards go? Sure they'll likely give away Brad Beal and any other "Bad deal" they signed in the last 2 years...They're a terribly run team that won't think 2 steps ahead of the Trade they make for Beal, giving the Lakers the ammo to land Davis should be the Last thing any team should willingly do, the 4th pick isn't better than Beal today...

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The thing is the Spurs are

The thing is the Spurs are said to be shopping Demar Derozan to create cap space. They have Derrick White & Dejounte Murray pencilled in as their long-term back-court. Those 2 plus Derozan is a poor outside shooting team, the Spurs want cap to chase Bojan Bogdanovic apparently, he definitely offers shooting at the 3-spot.

With the 4th pick you take an NBA ready guy like DeAndre Hunter who looks like a very nice small ball 4-man.
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White-Murray-Bogdanovic-Hunter-Aldridge as your starting line-up. You have 2 very solid veterans & 3 very skilled/young players to build with. You aren't winning the West with DeRozan as your best player, he is a #2 & you need a Superstar next to him to be a contender.

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I heard the Spurs are

I heard the Spurs are shopping Derozan as well but I have a feeling it is more about Pop wanting to get minutes for Lonnie Walker than committing to a White-Murray backcourt long term.

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Mark Stein said the offer

Mark Stein said the offer includes Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, and the 4th pick (obviously the 4th pick going to some other team for an all-star. However, the Lakers are reportedly insistent on keeping Kuzma. What? Why him? I’d be all about keeping Ingram.

Is this about money or fit? Kuzma makes 1.3 million for 2 more years. Ingram takes up a lot of ball that LeBron and AD will need. But defense is still a thing and so is driving the lane in the half court (both things Ingram can do that Kuzma can’t).

LeBron, AD, and Ingram: that’s a big 3. The only thing you’d need free agency for is 3 point shooters. A 3 and D PG and SF. That’s a top team.

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money and fit, Kuz is the only one of them who I think could play successfully off the ball with AD and Bron.

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Ingram might end up a top 10

Ingram might end up a top 10 player in the league. Kuzma won’t.

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And Ingram might turn out to

And Ingram might turn out to be absolutely nothing. I think Kuzma has a more stable future and you know what you're going to get. With AD and LBJ do you really need to risk a homerun hit with Ingram or play it safe and know what you're getting with Kuzma. I tihnk that's the thinking and it is a reasonable quesiton.

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I do like how Kuzma could end

I do like how Kuzma could end up developing but right now his image of a player and what he actually provides arent the same. He is very sporadic and unpredictable offensively, plays out of control. He is a terrible defensive player. I mean he tries but his lack of patience on that end is hard to watch. He lacks discipling and gambles constantly. And on the offensive end he shows the same tendancies its just his skill usually makes up for it. But he clearly forces shots and is aggressive to a fault.

I think Ingram is the better all around player now and in the future. He's just slow to develop but he has given us glimpses and the Lakers just arent a good place for a team of young players to develop.

Ingram had a few games where he was clearly the best playmaker on both teams, he had games where he was clearly the best defender in the building, he had games where he was clearly the best scorer in the building. Kuzma had games where he was clearly the best scorer and in those games I felt he still wasnt the best scoring option...

Would love to see what these Laker kids could do in real basketball programs because they are all super talented.

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Ingram is never making an All Star team, let alone be a top 10

Have you seen him play? And with the significant injury?

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Have you seen him play? And

Have you seen him play? And with the significant injury?

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First person that crossed my

First person that crossed my mind was DeMar too. After hearing the Bobby Marks (who is Woj's right hand) report about the Spurs quietly shopping him to clear salary for a run at Bojan, this would be the perfect way to do so. It'd put them in position to draft a very Spurs player in either Culver or Hunter to groom on the wing next to their backcourt of Murray & White. It seems that they're trying to remake themselves as a defensive team with length and quickness on the perimeter and an offense predicated on ball movement and slashing. We know guys will develop as shooters of the corner 3 because that's what San Antonio teaches every young player that comes through their program.

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It‘s like the 5th time I read

It‘s like the 5th time I read somewhere that the Spurs are trying to create cap space in trading Demar to sign Bogdanovic. A I missing something or when did Bojan become a top tier free agent or who really thinks he is a superior player to DeRozan? We all know how bad of a 3 point shooter he is but it’s not like he can’t make one to save his life, it’s more he knows he isn’t very good at making them and just decided to not take many unlike players like Westbrook, Ball or Embiid who are also bad but gun like crazy and just don’t mind. Heck even Booker who was once considered the next great SG and future of the 3 point line just hit 32% last year. Draymond is was hitting 28% in the regular season and took 3 attempts per game.

And don’t be fooled, DeRozan is no Ben Simmons. His mid range game is really great, same like Aldridge which might be the biggest problem that both like the same spots and don’t leave the shooters enough space at the 3 point line. Demar just averaged more then 6 apg for the season and some very impressive double and triple doubles where he was the main distributor with the young PGs being down. There is no way Pop will give up on DeRozan even if he is expensive for a player of Bogdanovics caliber imo who also won’t come cheap btw. It should be much easier to add shooting on the wings or find a pg who can share minutes with Demar when Murray isn’t playing then just giving up on Demar who should be given at least one full season under Pop and healthy youngsters in the backcourt there.

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Honestly I think San Antonio

Honestly I think San Antonio is invested in a White & Murray back-court. They want to start building that chemistry now & Derozan would take the ball out of their hands, not too mention all 3 of them play a similar game.

I am by no way saying Bogdanovic is better than DeRozan, but he is a guy who can score off the ball, heck of a shooter & when Oladipo went down he averaged 21ppg over that 3 month span it wasn't a fluke. Bogdanovic's game will also age very well as he is more crafty than athletic, despite being 30yrs old he has only been in the league 4yrs & is now really starting to show what he can do. Not too mention he would be about $10mil cheaper per season.

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As the league becomes more

As the league becomes more and more analytics driven, players like DeMar become less and less valuable on the market. The reason they'd consider trading him is very clear to me, they see Dejounte Murray as a key building block going forward...and him playing next to DeRozan for heavy minutes is not the best fit for either guy. They know they're not going to win a championship or even make a conference finals as constructed in the next 2 years. DeMar played 75% of his minutes at SF last year and that's not his best position...with Murray coming back at PG and sliding White over to SG, plus a full season of Lonnie Walker who they're going to want to find mins for, it makes sense to save some $ on a better fitting player whose game doesn't take away from their long-term building blocks in the process. If they can get the 4th pick and add someone like Hunter or Culver it helps them build a better foundation that can in a few years potentially grow past the 2nd round ceiling a team anchored by DeRozan and Aldridge shooting mid-range jumpers has.

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I personally think Pelicans

I personally think Pelicans should keep that 4th pick - good for salary.

they would have holiday, zion, ingram, ball and the 4th pick to build on.

Im still wary of Ingram with blood clots or something ? I know Lakers hvae been trying to keep Kuzma out of the deal.

Brooklyn are also trying to get in, but NO only negotiating with Celtics and Lakers atm

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My idea at the moment

My idea at the moment is:

Lakers get Davis

Lakers lose Ball, Kuzma, #4, Ingram

Celtics get #4, Kuzma, Ball

Celtics lose Tatum, Hayward, #14 & #23

Pels get Tatum, Ingram, Hayward, #14, #23

Pels lose Davis

Who says no?

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This is a why would you trade...

Not hating on the idea as we all have our own opinions just feedback..

So from what I can tell about this trade:

Celtics get the best deal. They get off Haywards average asf deal especially after that horrible injury,They can now let both Kyrie and Terry R walk or be traded by getting Ball and they essentially get a cheaper version of Taytum in Kuzma..The Top 4 pick come on now that is far to much even in an average draft...This would be a typical Danny fleecing ainge move if they somehow got this deal..This is without mentioning they would then have cap room to go after a F.A this offseason due to cap relief due to this deal..

Lakers get A.D which is what they want..Not sure why as I see A.D essentially being Chris bosh take 2 IMO and the guy is almost as injury prone as Lonzo...

Pelicans get essentially 3 small forwards one of which is on a horrible horrible deal right now and would look like a bad/classless move if they moved him so soon(meaning Backlash from Agents/Players not wanting to come)...Well unless you believe the following: 1) Taytum is a PF 2) Hayward is a SG and 3) Ingram is your SF or P.G...Which I don't know if anyone does believe this..Meaning they would get the worst deal...This is also without mentioning somehow they got the worse picks...The only thing that makes this deal remotely alright is Taytum but even then...He hasn't even been an allstar and regressed when the ball is taken out of his hands(see more Kyrie as Cause)..

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The Celtics are smarter than this

there's no way they give up Tatum and TWO first rounders to land only Kuzma and the #4

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*#22 not 23

*#22 not 23

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Would the Wolves trade

Would the Wolves trade Wiggins for the 4th Pick in this fiasco? I would to get rid of that contract..

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Would Minnesota do it? Yes.

Would Minnesota do it? Yes. Would New Orleans do it? Not a chance.

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