[valentine]

do you think there should be a win limit set at which point your team in college basketball will be more strongly considered regardless of your conference? with the big east getting 11 teams in and not all of them have won in the first round I think the time has come to look at a win limit in order to more strongly consider teams from smaller conferences . I also think division 2 teams dont count towards the twenty five, their were a number of teams from small to even larger conferences left out this year that this would have applied to 2 in the missouri valley alone. uab had no place in the tournament and they showed that.

[llperez]

what does "more consideration" even mean? Wins always count for "more consideration". Also, all 11 big east teams deserved to be in.

[13kavak]

 considering the fact indiana state is down by 4 in the second half . the two teams from the missouri valley didnt deserve to be left out  missouri state is getting messed over year after year by the selection committee for teams like uab- not good just in a good conference and thats wrong. more consideration means  that they stop engaging in giving large conferences gift bids

[llperez]

i love seeing the underdogs win and seeing mid majors make the tournament. But at 68 teams, if you dont make the tournament, i dont care what conference you are in, you need to look in the mirror.

[13kavak]

 with how they played while two deserving teams from the colonial were left out.

[13kavak]

 mirror and stop giving gift bids to big conference schools

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

Debatable, and no I don’t think its necessary. This isn’t college football. I think its a good thing for the NCAA to have NO certain # of wins to automatically make it to the tournament in order to separate the tournament from bowl games. Doing this would be stupid and would be even worse than the most recent debate of expanding the # of teams in the tournament to 96 teams. 

I’m sure doing something like this would be a good thing for small teams in small or non-impact conferences but for all the NCAA teams (which would have to be done in order to make it fair to the other teams, and also commercially appealing) no, it would be viewed as extremely dumb by not just the big schools but also the fans of the NCAA in general. Therefore this would be unnecessary and dumb. 

Even if this were to be implemented though, I’m not sure that 25 wins for teams that are small schools would be enough. I mean how many of those games would be against conference opponents? And how many of the losses would be against non conference opponents? These are two huge things that the NCAA selection committee evaluates (and its necessary) and it has a huge effect on how and where a team is seeded. 

[13kavak]

 in favor of large schools so im not sure that your opinion is relevant. the thing that you and maybe everyone else wants to forget is the fact there ar more small to mid major programs in college basketball than there are major programs  and not everyone wants to see the top 5 conferences in basketball filling out the tournament as a matter of fact many people stop watching after the first few rounds.

[sbealer22Participant]

 I don’t know what you mean with the gift bids when the most deserving team not in the tourny (Colorado, a Big 12 school) is ousted by a team like UAB….

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 13 Kavak 

I do not have a bias for the large schools, sorry for the misconception. I attend a small school myself. If anything I have a bias for the NBA in general and not for college. I too like see the underdog perform the upset and most of the time in a game, that I don’t care who wins, I root for the underdog just because it’s fun. I realize that there are many small schools and they largely outnumber the big schools. College basketball is what is and I can’t change that, nor would I want to. The NCAA field is very large and it doesn’t need to get any larger then it already is. If a small school can not make it as one of the 68 teams that are invited to the tournament then, like was already mentioned on this thread, they need to look themselves in the mirror. All schools have the means nowadays to recruit the players that may or not be big stars in the future and be competitive in their own right. I realize that the small schools will most likely be able to recruit smaller and no name players to their squads because of the favorite for other big name athletes to want to try out for the big teams so they can compete against real competition and consequently improve themselves as a player. But the small schools can also get great coaches to help these no name players make a name for themselves and consequently make a name for the small school as well. Thats how a small school becomes an underdog and that’s what makes March Madness so great. 

Implementing a new rule that would try and make a goal for a number of wins for a small school to get to the big dance would also allow for even smaller schools to get into the tourney. Like I said before nonconference wins and losses as well as conference wins and losses have a big impact on the committee’s decision as to who gets in and who does not. They would do the same thing in your idea too, just to seed the teams "correctly" This would consequently allow more small schools to get in, which in general, I am not against. But I also see the cons to this idea and they greatly outweigh the pros. One con I see to this is thar there would be even more games that we as fans would not want to watch because we know they will be blowouts. (Do you honestly watch the games between the 1 and 16 seeds and the 2 and 15 seeds?) I know you have a bias for the small schools and that is perfectly fine, I don’t mind that all and actually I too have a bias towards the small schools. But even then out of respect for these small schools do you really want to watch them get even more blown out then they already are? No, of course not and nor does any other fan of college basketball. During the season its fine to watch games that you know are going to be blowouts,  I sometimes do it too, but during the postseason out of respect for just making the tourney I really don’t want to watch a particular small team get just obliterated even more then they do now. 

I realize that you probably feel sorry for the small teams too, but you also have to view this argument from a management standpoint too, not just as a fan of the small schools. Management cares a lot about money, commercial appeal, the quality of the games, and the teams that are in those games. Implementing this rule would just eliminate the commercial appeal, as well as other things, to the NCAA tournament. Now, if I actually attended one of the small schools that made it to the big dance, of course I would want to watch the game. What kind of fan would I be if I didn’t? But I also know that the number of fans that that small school would have at the game would be greatly outnumbered by the # of fans that are there to watch the "big" school. Management also wants to appeal to a diverse audience not just a biased audience that roots for one team and thats it. I mean this is a part of the reason all the tourney games are played at a neutral site. Now this would not happen at a game between two small schools but it would happen at a game between a big school and a small school and thats what management would be concerned about and in some respects even more so than the other games between the two small schools.

 

[13kavak]

 I was critical of you and I shouldnt have been  and yes I do watch the 15 -16 seeds, I watch those games because I have someone to cheer for who do you cheer for when its a 4-5 matchup no reason to care who wins. thats another problem they claim a neutral site but when you seed a one or two bid an hour or two from their campus its not really neutral and the selection committee did that several times this year could someone explain beyond a selection committee joke how uab ousted colorado from the tournament?  they didnt play each other to my knowledge they arent in the same conference and everyone knew uab would lose because they hadnt played anyone

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

Whether it is a big conference or small conference team, If they feel truly cheated by the NCAA, then they should win the NIT. Funny how that usually is not what happens. It never seems to be the the second place team from the Valley or even perennial NIT #1 seed Va Tech.

[The lake show2]

many people stop watching based on what?..Cuz based on tv ratings you have no clue what your talking about so what are you basing that statement on???

 

Win limit makes no sense because then all you have to do is have a cupcake schedule if you are good in a weak conference. And yes people like upsets but no one once to see a tournament with a bunch of low major teams. I think that’s proven by the ratings they get when they play each other or the crowd they draw in the regular season or how low the ratings are or crowd during the CBI tournament

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