Stephane Curry is JJ Redick
Am i wrong but i havent heard anyone make this comparison. Both off the ball players who need others to help them create, undersized two guards. And please dont tell me about how Curry can shot the lights because JJ does just as well if not better and he did it in the ACC for Duke not playing at Davidson.. This guy has bust written all over him. The only thing he has going for him is Nellie ball, but that is what we thought about Bellinelli too.
No Curry is not JJ Redick. Curry can get his shot off in the league. Have you watched his summer league games. Now, I never trusted Redick, Jacobson, Kapona, Langdon or Morrision.
I do trust Curry.
Dhamp..the greatest basketball mind in basketball. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
Curry = Redick? Are you kidding Curry is the real deal, he almost went as high as 2nd, 3rd, and 4th did J.J. Redick get mentioned going #2 or #3? I don't think so.
Kapona, Morrison, etc. were all one dimensional guys who are or were pure stand alone shooters. I happen to be someone who feels JJ Redick has a more diversified game than the names listed. Yes Redick is a fantastic stand alone shooter coming off screens, but he also has the ability to mix it up and drive to the hoop.
I think what Redick needs is consistent playing time on a regular basis where he doesn't have to worry about coming out of the game if he misses 2 or 3 shots in a row. Then I think you'll see a guy who can light it up at the NBA level. No, I don't think he'll become a star, but I do believe he's much better than what we've seen in his off and on appearances in the lineup.
Dhamp summer league you know Anthony morrow scored 47, curry shot what 32% from the field. Quincy Douby also was one of the top scorers last summer league. You arent really asking me to watch summer league and say curry can score I watched and i saw i guy take bad shots and turn it over.
Jazz Fan they were both lottery picks and Kwame brown was the # pick so was the candyman bowie was taken over jordan. does that bowie worked out. dont forget oden over durant
agree with rtbt these small school guys who put up big scoring #s dont amount to much ie. Morris Almond
Ya I forgot Redick actually did good when he got playing time with the Magic in the play-offs.
I thought they same thing when I heard he entered the draft, but I believe them putting him at point protects him a little an will allow him to grow much faster then JJ was able to. It's almost the same strategy used with King James when he entered the league
I didnt' say Curry scored a lot in summer league. I said watch how he got his shot off! You have to read the complete post. As for Marrow, his superp perfomances don't suprise me. He scored 40 in a game twice last year.
Dhamp...the greatest mind in basketball. Next to Hubie Brown anyway.
dhamp all i am saying there really is no translation from summer league to the NBA. The majority of wing players in the NBA can get there shot off anytime they want, otherwise they wouldnt be in the league. IN summer league your up against better athletes then you would see in college but not as good as in the NBA as a golden st fan you wouldnt be concerned that he couldnt shoot a decent % against summer league talent.
At best i see curry ending a 3 point specialist. But lets actually see him making shots at the pro level befor we call him a 3 point specialist.
I like Marrow but ACIE EARL scored 50 for the raptors.
Curry is a point guard. Redick was shooter and also Curry and Reddick role will be different. Curry will have the green light early on but Redick does not have the green light as much and also Reddick is still moving to fast for the game. I am not saying he is fast but he is NBA timing is off if he is more patient the game will be easy but I think it is because he is not used to being a backup but he did show in the playoffs what he is a key player. Curry can shoot the lights up but he can also run plays and makes great passes. His role and minutes and GSW style will have him on a different path then Redick.
Sheltwon made an excellent point about Redick moving too fast for the game. I think the reason is obvious, he's never had an opportunity to play regularly without having to worry about coming out if he misses several shots. Therefore, just like anyone else in that situation, he's pressing and hurrying both his moves and his shot.
The solution is simple, put him in the lineup and tell him he's going to play every day even if he misses ten shots in a row. That's why D'Antoni is such a great offensive coach, he injects confidence into his players. Van Gundy should take a page out of D'Antoni's style.
Once a player knows he's going to get regular minutes every night, he can relax and let the game come to him.
Don't you think I know summer legaue isn't the real NBA. Right now, this is the only eveidence that we have to prove that Curry can get his shot off. The summer league is an upgrade of collge basketball. The next time we will be able to evaluate is the pre-season.
Dhamp...the greatest mind in basketball. Next to Hubie Brown anway.
Reddick isn't a bust. He just hasn't gotten the play time. Stan Van Gundy messed up by taking him out of the starting lineup after Boston. He did a VERY good job on the best Sharpshooter in the NBA in Ray Allen. That's with his arms being 1/4 inch SHORTER than his height. That means he plays really hard and gives everything his God-built body will let him.
If you put him in the right offense where the "star" is a SF/PF/C he could be a GOOD 2nd or 3rd option. He just needs the minutes and CHANCE and he'd be a solid player. He is a LETHAL shooter and I wish a team would let him use his skills.
As for the OP, I'd say a MUCH better comparison would be Jodie Meeks. Meeks is a bit small too--they are the same height. Meeks shot isn't near as good but he drives to the rim a little better so it's probably a wash.
Although I noticed in the playoffs Reddick's first step has gotten MUCH better since Duke. He had several very nice cuts to the rim with nice off the glass finishes. It really shocked me. Actually, with all that Stan Van Gundy shipped out to get VC, he may be making Reddick the PRIMARY relief and he might start getting 15-20 minutes a game, which would be good for him. Can/Does Vince play the 3?
4 shooters with Howard will work once Howard gets a few solid post moves.
But yea, Reddick, if given the chance, will be a solid pro and Jodie Meeks is a better comparison.
Areopogus, you've been saying exactly what I've been preaching about JJ Redick for months. There was a reason this guy was the greatest scorer in ACC History. He was always guarded by the opposition's best player and often double teamed, yet nobody could stop him. I don't think he'll be a star in the NBA, but he can be very productive and do his part to keep the lane open for Dwight Howard.
I also think he's a better defensive player than given credit for and he might be the best passer on Orlando's squad. He certainly had some nifty setups during the playoffs. And if Vince Carter suffers his usual injuries, JJ Redick might get some regular playing time and an opportunity to prove he can play in the NBA.
Everyone is human and if you're placed in a situation where you don't play for 2 consecutive years, then in your 3rd year you play 5 straight games and then sit on the bench the next 2 games, you will lose your confidence. And if nothing else matters, great shooters need confidence.
Maybe Redick should go to NY and play for D'Antoni?
Coming from a UNC fan, it's hard to admit this, but deep inside I'm pulling for him. I really starting liking Orlando's game a lot, mainly because of Reddick, Howard, and Alston. Reddick is a very good passer and really knows how to play the pick and roll with Howard. If you can, go back and watch the tapes. At times I felt like Reddick was one of the smartest players on the floor.
You are also right that shooters need consistency and the thought that they can go out and take shots and not worry if they miss 2 or 3. Being a "shooter" is more mental than anything. We all know his ability. He's #2 in ACC scoring and is one of the greatest guards ever in the "Guard" conference.
I'm thinking if he gets CONSISTENT 20 minutes or so a game he can average 15pts 4 assists 4 Rebounds or something like that.
I agree Reddick defiantly needs a spot on a team where he will be used in there system instead of just on the bench. Confidence is all thats needed for him to shine because we know he has the talent and he wants to play.
I agree JJ needs consistant minutes and van gundy stifled his growth. he competes and I am a fan but did you honestly think he was better than courtney lee.
simos15, nobody said Redick was better than Lee. They are two different players, each of whom bring something different to the team. Courtney Lee is more of a slasher then a shooter. I thought he had a very good rookie season but he certainly isn't all star material.
JJ Redick is a fantastic shooter so he can prevent double teams down low on Dwight Howard. As Areopogus mentioned earlier, he's also very smart and a terrific passer. His work with pick and roll with D. Howard during the playoffs was outstanding.
Redick is a guy in need of a coach who understands how to build up his confidence. In addition, think about this, Orlando could have traded him numerous times the last 3 years but never did. In my opinion, they didn't trade him because they realize he has the potential to become an excellent player in the NBA. He's also what they need to help Dwight Howard.
wasnt comparing them just wanted a take on who you guys thought played better. Right now Lee played better this year and showed some real upside. But he doesnt need to worry about him anymore. Just Pietrus. Who is going to play alot of minutes.
simos15, I don't think there was any doubt that Courtney Lee had a much better season. For Redick, it was impossible to produce when he was sitting on the bench most of the time. It was clear early on that Van Gundy had a lot of confidence in the rookie and he produced. I don't remember where Lee was traded, but he should be a very productive player for many years to come.
Pietrus is another guy who's very inconsistent plus he's injury prone. And just like Vince Carter, he can play SF which should open up a lot of minutes for Redick. But no matter what happens, Van Gundy has to figure out how to inject confidence back into Redick. To do that, he has to give him regular minutes every night, no matter what happens.
In order for Reddick to grow one of two things need to be done, PT like I said earlier or Orlando just needs to let him go so he can develop elsewhere because they are only hindering his growth there. Now that they signed matt Barnes I really dont see a spot for him with Carter/Lewis/Pietrus/Barnes unless of injury like rtbt said
Lee was a part of the vince carter deal
Reddick just lacks the acthleticism and the ability to put the ball on the floor to be a second option.... But he can be a decent third option (on the right team) because of the fact he is a top 10 shooter in the league.... He seems to also lack foot speed on defense, he did a good job on Ray Allen in the playoffs but I dont think he can consistently gaurd the top shooting gaurds in the league... I also think the Reddick is a average/below avergae passer and playmaker... As far as the comparisons to Curry it is clear the Curry has NBA level handles, he has sneaky quickness, and the ability to make plays off the dribble (things the Reddick lacks)......
billyk has a different opinion of Redick and that's what makes these types of discussions interesting.
First, let me say I agree with your comparisons of Redick with Curry. I think all of your points were right on the money.
Second, I think JJ Redick is a much better athlete than the prevailing opinion. You can't be the leading scorer in ACC history, while constantly being guarded by the opposing team's best player, unless you're a pretty good athlete. He's no Dwayne Wade but he's not as bad as some people claim. Next time you watch him play, check out how much lift he has on his jump shot.
Third, defense and rebounding are all about desire and determination. JJ Redick may not be the quickest 2 guard in the league, but he showed lots of grit and desire during the playoffs on defense. I don't think it's fair to say he can't do the same during the regular season. Once again, defense is all about desire and positioning.
Fourth, he's not a point guard, being a playmaker isn't the role of a SG, hence that isn't a shortcoming for Redick. Having said that, I disagree with your other comment because I think he is an excellent passer.
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I dont think you have to be that great of an athlete to be a great scorer in college (see: Adam Morrison) and alot of his shots in college came off of screens or catch and shoots....I have seen the lift on is jump shot but that doesnt mean he is an athlete (but he has a sweet stroke).... I agree with you about defense but I dont see Reddick as a player than can play defense on that high of a level and shoot a HIGH percentage.... As far as him being a good passer I have when I watched him play he made the right passes to the right spots(hence 0.9 asst/0.69 turnover) but he wasnt creative and he seemed to keep within him self... To me an excellent passer is willing to think outside the box and force the issue sometimes....
I don't think the comparison with Adam Morrison is a good one.
First, they play different positions.
Second, JJ Redick was a scoring machine who was always guarded by the best defenders in college basketball. Morrison was a very good player but he wasn't on the nation's radar the way Redick was. Morrison wasn't being targeted by the best defenders in the game. In addition, for the most part, Morrison played against inferior competition @ Gonzaga.
Third, I'm not saying Redick is a great athlete, but I happen to believe the criticism against his athletic ability has gone too far.
Hey billyk, Redick isn't a PG, his job is to score. He isn't expected to think outside the box like a Steve Nash. His passing role is to keep within himself and only make high percentage passes and he does that very well. Therefore I think that's an invalid criticism on your part. And once again, nobody is saying he's a fantastic passer, he just happens to be the past passer on Orlando. Nothing more and nothing less.
Im only comparing Morrison to Reddick because they where both GREAT scores in college with limited athletic ability.... I understand that they play diffrent positions but both where their teams MAIN scorers... Obviously Morrison didnt have the spotlight as Reddick but he was a fixture on ESPN when he played at Gonzaga... And yes Morrison did have a target on his back at Gonzaga and although he played in an inferior confrence he played against some top teams in the preseason (and did very well, see: Maui tourney).... I understand Reddick isnt a PG but as a starting shooting gaurd on the NBA level you should have SOME play making ability (or you are a liability).... I think there is a reason why Reddick doesnt get consistent playing time because, all he can do is SHOOT and he brings nothing else to the table (oh yeah he hustles).... And as far as his athletic ability, im willing to bet he is one of the worst athletes at the shooting gaurd position in the NBA.......
everyone is saying that curry is a better athlete and has a great stroke. But at the end of the day he is an undersized 2 guard who got to put up alot of shots on Davidson, not trying to knock the small schools but he was a big fish in a small pond (Kyle Korver, Almond, Morrisson). I just havent seen anything in his game that would make him a star. I said the same things about JJ. When you look back at this draft everyone will say why take curry when you could have had Rozan. Mark my words you will that will be said by the all star break