Greatest Pg Of All Time?

can't argue with that

But magic johnson is a debatable.......well he accomplished more

forgot Magic, he won multiple and has the rings along with an MVP I think. He led his team, but he played with a few Stars. haha

Magic Johnson - Oscar was the first big guard and set the standard for Magic, but Magic is better. Magic has more rings, Finals MVPs and more regular season MVPs than Oscar. Magic could dominate, not just play, all five positions.

and idk even no who was on the big o's team. but yea magic had the best team in history.
worthy
jabbar
a few others.
domination

Man Bob Cousy and Oscar Robertson played in an era that just different from today. You are nuts if you think Oscar can do that nowadays. Have you seen him shoot a basketball? It's comedy...

you can say the same thing about bill russel.
the guys he were playing agaisnt were damn near horrible.
so what you tryna say?
you mean to tell me oscar robertson cant have a j-kidd career today like he did in the old days?
im sure bill russel wouldnt be the same

Doesnt matter now, Oscar to me is #1

Oscar
Magic
Cousy
Thomas
Tie ( Stockton & Jackson)

thats why
its not fair to compare today to than.
cuz obviously things may not be the same

Wilt would still score some points in todays league. I don't know about no 100 in a game, but I'm sure he would get a lot of buckets. I like Magic for GOAT. I don't see him defending the other teams point guards though either. D is important.

yu get my point.

but yu dont think J-kidd is up there?
just look at this:

now the only player in NBA history with 15,000 points, 10,000 assists and 7,000 rebounds.
9-time NBA All-Star
All-NBA First Team
(1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004)
All-NBA Second Team
(2003)
All-Defensive First Team
(1999, 2001, 2002, 2006)
All-Defensive Second Team
(2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007)
NBA All-Rookie First Team
(1995)
1995 NBA co-Rookie of the Year
2003 NBA Skills Challenge Champion
1992 Naismith Prep Player of the Year

Why do you think Oscar is better than Magic???

I mean the era is just different, their skill level compared to now honestly weak. I mean, put Tim Hardaway in that era and he would've be a god. Imagine Bob Cousey trying to stop Derrick Rose from getting to the rim...

I wanted to put Kidd up there but he does not have that ring man.

yea but john stockon doesnt either.

I think it's fair to compare the players from the past to the players today AS LONG as we're assuming that the players from the past would be getting the same skill training, weight training, strength/speed training, etc. I mean, could you imagine what Wilt would be like with today's training lol? I also think the players back then had overall better fundamentals and higher IQs.

Stockton was more of a scorer then Kidd. Kidd was a do it all point guard, but Stockton got you more then enough dimes and scored the ball as good as alot of players in his day...well maybe not that good. How come "Pistol" Pete is getting no love...just wondering. I don't know much about him except people think Rubio isn't going no where close to his level of play and he scored like 40 something a game in college.

I think 50 years from now won't be so much as a change as now is to 50 years ago (does that make sense?). You know, basketball was kind of just starting back then and there weren't as much "science" for lack of better words, as there is now. Now, players are faster, stronger, explosive, experience, and better ball handlers than then.

Wilt Chamberlain grabbing 55 boards is just dumb... I'd love to see a prime KG back then, or SHAQ!

But Stockton has somewhat better stats then Kidd. Stockton is the all-time assists and steals leader.

Yea, but that wouldn't be fair though. To take a prime KG from TODAY'S age and putting him in their time would mean suicide for them lol. If you put KG there, you'd have to assume he was getting the same training that they were getting, etc.

the "hypothetical" game is lame. I'm just saying, talent for talent, the average "good" NBA point gaurd would be a legend "IF" he played back then. Talent for talent, Oscar Robertson (who can't dribble with his left hand) is not better than Jose Caulderon. And I don't even think it's close.

Pierre Jordan...Are you a professional Basketball player? One guy made a post about you saying ur his hero. I dunno, if you are I gotta see you player and sorry

Yea, if we looking at it like that, most good starters in the NBA would be better than the dudes back then.

The future, the one, the only. Mr. Pierre Jordan. Just wait...

Yea, that's what I was saying! But... I mean, if we looking at it like Pierre Jordan is, then yea... Most good starters today would give the old school dudes from the past the business.

I hope I don't offend anyone but I just think those stats of the past are absurd. And no I'm not a pro player yet, but God willing I'll be soon.

You too bro

Cool, I mean I saw peeps talking about you and stuff. Welcome to the site and stuff man

I think the greats can always adjust, i think the Wilts , Oscars, Cousy's ect. would have all adapted to this game , example- if Wilt was in todays NBA id say he'd average no less than 20-10 why? Look at Dwight Howard , they are both physical specimens and are very athletic and that alone gets Dwight 20-14 a game. and Wilt had a way better post up game with soooooooo musc in his arsenal

Hahaha lol, I think in 50 yrs they will be playing on 11ft hoops cuz It's gonna be like 5 Dwights out there and it'll be too easy....

I mean, just to think HOW MUCH BETTER oscar robertson was than everyone else who went through the times with the same training/coaches, etc is pretty amazing... but definitely the game has evolved.

To some extent, the ridiculous athleticism has kind of killed the game because it's getting to be too much one-on-one... the court is too small for all the players to be out there. there are 10 fouls every possession because it's impossible to defend these guys who are SO quick and strong. LeBron is the poster child for this... He does get fouled every time he goes to the basket (so he's probably almost always right in complaining) but that's not that fun to watch.

maybe it's just the hand-checking rules i guess

John Stockton easily the all time leader in assists and steals. Malone wouldn't be the player that he was if it wasn't for Stockton.

Magic is the correct answer. Oscar was better in his prime, arguably. But Magic was playing in a significantly better era and was a great player for longer.

Yes, he had better teammates. But he also made them better. Oscar was notoriously difficult to play with. 

My issue with Robertson is that he missed the playoffs for three straight years in what should have been his prime. I still consider him a top 10 player ever, but he can't be lumped in with the big six - Jordan, Chamberlain, Russell, Johnson, Bird.

But Magic played zero D. And in half court sets, he was pretty much only good for posting up smaller point gaurds. His shooting and penetration skills in the halfcourt were subpar. Open, court one of the greatest hands down, but just not sure his game would translate so well to todays game. But as of now, I would say he was the greatest pg.

Magic, Big O and Stockton are my top 3.

is the best. Oscar had no competition

I know I might get thumbed down for mentioning his name...but Isiah Thomas is up there as well. Who can forget him dropping 25 in a quarter against the Lakers in the 1988 finals, on one foot after spraining his ankle.

But to me the greatest point guard of all time is between Magic and Mark Jackson. Jackson was the true definition of what a point guard was supposed to be.