Anyone else think this is a great trade for all parties involved
I recently read an article on CBS sports talking about the notion of this trade.
G- Aaron Brooks
F- Shane Battier
G/F- JR giddens
F- Brian Scalabrine
The theory behind it was based on that the pairing of Rondo and Ariza two young players who recently won championships would be great for the Rockets and a new more run and gun style of play. For the Celtics you get a very reliable 3 defender and great spot up shooter in Battier to back up Pierce, and a guy like Aaron Brooks who could step into the starting pg role, as a player who would not be granted the open looks Rondo was because he's a knockdown shooter. I feel like this trade benefits both teams. What do you guys think?
wow... i really couldn't see boston trading rondo, after what he did in the playoffs...
you have to get more value for rondo if you're boston... that would open up the floor a lot because both battier and brooks are good shooters. i guess i could see it. I would make the rockets give up some picks though
The guy was great in the playoffs no doubt about it, but theres obviously somethin going on between Rondo's perceived attitude and Danny Ainge, hence the trade rumors earlier this summer.
but this may work out, brooks is a good young pg who is a better shooter than rondo.
but rondo is one of hte better pg in the league already, and with a jumper he would be one of the elite pg in the league.
but, i understand why they may do this trade.
IF Houston threw in a 1st round pick, I could see this happening
because he has attitude problem . dont get me wrong hes a good point guard. but rondo must be really a headcase. if the celtics keep putting his name in trade discussions.
Brooks will tear Rondo's A** Up anytime. He had one good series against a rookie pointguard. Brooks was tearing up everyone in the Playoffs. Battier and Brooks is too much for Rondo. We don't want him anyways. Brooks>Rondo
Dude going to learn how to pass better and he can already score better then Rondo by miles. He don't need to rebound and probably won't. Rondo benefits from all the All-Stars he has. Yao was all Brooks had and Artest. Even without them Brooks was tearing up teams while one was playing horribly and the other was injured. Brooks is a quick paced point guard so what's the difference. He can run with Ariza, Scola, Andersen, and any other player we have. I'd hate to bring in Rondo and his upside down headbands.
Brooks will tear Rondo's A** Up anytime
That's crazy. Rondo is a jumpshot away from being the best PG in the East. Brooks is super overrated.
saying that Brooks would tear up Rondo anytime is so untrue.
Brooks is a good young pg, who is improving and will likely be one of the main options for Houston with their injuries, but like Knicksboy said and I've said before, Rondo is a jumpshot away from being one of the best pg in the league.
so of course I'm biased, but I also watched every game Brooks played in from beginning to the end. Bench to Starter.
So Rubio is a Jumpshot away too right?
If it weren't for Rondo getting a couple of Triple Doubles and that playoff series where no defense was really played he is getting all this support and love. BUT WAIT, you are telling me that Brooks is overrated?
i kinda agree with ricky rubio9. brooks is a up coming point guard who already can shoot plus hes quick . i think brooks is up there with rondo. like honestly rondo is good but hes not a top 10 point guard. like ricky rubio9 rondo benefits from having four three all-stars plus sheed. if you put rondo on the kings or a bad team. you think rondo would be doing all that(triple doubles and &$#%#&@!) no . and im a rondo fan. but i do think brooks would make the celtics a better team with his shooting he could open things up and cause problems for the opposite teams. with rondo you can leave open . and another thing brooks can push the ball as well as rondo.
Rondo is a great athlete, great defender, and has the ability to get to the basketball anytime he wants.
If he had a jumpshot, he would be able to do pretty much anythnig you asked him to.
plays in the West where the Point Guards are Billups who he kept undercontrol when no one thought he would. CP3, D-Will, Parker, Kidd, and Nash. Just to name a few.
He put up some pretty good numbers against some of those teams and against the Lakers supposebly "The Best Defensive Team" while Rondo went up against...the Bulls? Um, The Magic? He played against SKIP! Skip is good, but we had him in Houston and he obviously didn't have great defense much less good.
Yea. Brooks is. He is a nice PG but he's not on Rondo's level. Rondo takes everything to the basket and still get his. Rondo is a top 6 PG now and with a jumper could be even better. Brooks is not in the top 10.
how is rondo not a top 10 pg?
paul, dwill, parker, nelson, harris, drose, billups,nash
but how is rondo not top 10?
other than a jumpshot, what cant he do?
I dont understand how you can say Devin Harris is a better PG than Rajon Rondo. I just dont.
yeah I'm with you iguodala, Harris is talented, but I really feel like people are severely undervaluing Rondo's defensive instincts, the guy is a beast on defense.
the man is a better scorer, quicker, rondo on the other hand is a good passer and yes he can d up, but i tihnk yall overrating him. before kg and allen came and they won a ring. was yall on rondo nuts back then no. majority of yall including boston fans and espn didnt think rondo could lead the team in the playoffs. am i correct? now all of sudden hes a top pg in the league. man get the &$#%#&@! outta here. im big rondo fan. no lie i always thought he would be good. but to say hes better than harris. thats something i cant say.
Harris is good, so is Nelson
but neither of them are on Rondo's level yet.
and like bballdave said, Rondo is a great defender.
Always with the defense. I'm not saying he doesn't have good defense, but D.Rose was doing the guy up. It is sort of like Bryant, all say he is so great, but I don't see it on defense. I'll tell you he isn't Top 5. Not yet, D-Will, CP3, Parker, Billups, and Nash. Two are aging so he has a shot, but...I still think Brooks is, can, and will end up better if nothing goes severely wrong. He averages around 3 turnovers almost on a team where he DOES NOT always have the ball because of the Stars with him. It's easy to rack up assist when you can just throw a ball to Ray Allen, K.G, or Paul Pierce. One more flaw with his game is that STUPID UPSIDE DOWN HEADBAND. It's so stupid. Sorry. I'm expectings lots of negatives on all these posts
is a insult.
Now I like Brooks, I've watched him since he was at Oregon and think he is a good player, and who knows, he may be better than Rondo in time, nobody knows, but he isnt better... yet.
My Top 10 PG's (As of Right now)
is that in order knicksboy?
Devin Harris is much better than Rondo OFFENSIVELY. Rondo has it on the defensive end, but if I had to choose for my franchise then it would be HARRIS. Rondo does reap the benefit of playing with Allen, Pierce, and Garnett. They spread the floor allowing for him to go one on one and get to the basket at will. One on one I can probably get by alot of people at will by myself, now imagine if it were Devin Harris heading the point in BOSTON. Like someone mentioned above, if Rondo was on the KINGS or BOBCATS then we wouldnt be having this discussion. OVERALL, the trade makes sense in essence. BROOKS is up and coming and RONDO is really digging a hole in BOSTON.
so westbrook is a top pg in your opinion over jameer nelson an all-star guard who play right out his &$#%#&@! mind before he got hurt. who probly if healthy could have led us a to a ring.
I hate Parker so much, no lie. I have a personal history with the dude that sparked the hatred...psh SuperStars. Anyways, I can't deny the talent the dude has, Rondo isn't better then Parker. Sorry, but anytime you can tear up the West like he has been doing you are good. He is the 3rd best, in my mind better then CP3, but stats don't always show it. Tim Duncan is on the decline and Manu is injury prone so expect him the be a beast very soon. He hasn't even shown all his potential. Dude lit up the league last year and has so many rings already. He's married to EVA freaking Longoria! If that ain't the good life then what is. Also I put B-Diddy on my list. He is too amazing when healthy. Otherwise that's a good list. Love the D-Will>CP3
Harris is a better scorer, definetly. They are both fast, and quick, both can get to the rim, but Rondo sets his team up better, and if Rondo gets a jumper will be a better scorer than he is now.
Rondo has it on D.
Westbrook is underrated. I think Brooks is underrated. No offense the "TheTruth87" but I think Jameer is overrated. One season of avergin (I completely forgot how to spell average) There we go, One season of averaging 17 Points and he is considered a Top PointGuard? CP3 is sometimes Overrated and D-Will has been underrated throughout it all. Parker is so-so and Billups was thought to be done as well as Nash by some. Rondo is WAYYYY Overated. I'd put a young Point Guard like Westbrook over Nelson. I'd put him over Rose as well 'cause his mid-range game looked to be improved in Summer League. I missed this site, I had been coming on, but not posting like I use to for the past week and a half or so.
Jameer Nelson 4th???? LMFAO he wasnt that great growing up in chester... He was solid on ST JOES (ALSO SEE - D WEST / DWAYNE JONES)..... IN NBA HE HAD HIS FIRST REAL SOLID YR THIS PAST SEASON.. I dont think personally NELSOn is as good as Andre Miller... Put Miller with some guys who can shoot and he is ahead of Jameer IMO.. NO knock on Jameer hes come a long way, but 4th?? Thats pushing it.. Guys i place ahead of nelson in no specific order are Nash, Kidd, A miller, D harris, D Williams, C paul, Rondo, Mo Williams (maybe debatable), Tony Parker, chauncey billups, (MAYBE TJ Ford / Calderon - also debatable)...
Baron Davis, AI, i believe he passed them up this yr.. SO i show arguably 10-12 guys i place ahead of him...
(ROSe / WESTRBOOK / FLYNN may pass him this yr)...
YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS
04-05 ORL 79 21 20.4 3.6-7.9 .455 0.6-1.8 .312 0.9-1.4 .682 1.0 0.0 1.5 2.5 0.7 1.8 2.5 3.0 8.7
05-06 ORL 62 33 28.8 5.6-11.6 .483 1.1-2.7 .424 2.3-2.9 .779 1.1 0.1 2.4 2.8 0.6 2.3 2.9 4.9 14.6
06-07 ORL 77 77 30.3 4.9-11.4 .430 0.8-2.5 .335 2.4-2.9 .828 0.9 0.1 2.4 2.9 0.7 2.4 3.0 4.3 13.0
07-08 ORL 69 62 28.4 4.1-8.7 .469 0.9-2.2 .416 1.8-2.2 .828 0.9 0.1 2.0 2.4 0.4 3.1 3.5 5.6 10.9
08-09 ORL 42 42 31.2 6.4-12.6 .503 2.0-4.3 .453 2.0-2.3 .887 1.2 0.1 2.0 2.9 0.5 3.0 3.5 5.4 16.7
was fourth in the top pgs. they are not even rank in order. i was saying my top pgs.
Yes, it's in order 1 to 10.
I would take Westbrook over Nelson. I like the fact Westbrook can play D just as well as he plays O
Rondo reminds me of a young Jason Kidd.... He is a very strong man/team defender and he rebounds as good as any guard in the league... He is a walking triple double (no matter what team he played for)..... Im not a huge Rondo fan but he does things that you cant teach (long arms, defensive instinct, rebounding, and he plays with a nasty demeanor).... Brooks is a decent offensive player but no way he impacts the WHOLE game like Rondo....
Billy...that is a perfect comparison
How can Rondo be over Billups? Wake me up when Rondo leads his team to 7 straight conference finals. Rondo is not top 5, but he is probably on the outside looking in. Top 10 I think is fair but not top 5. Top PG's should be ranked in order of value to their team. If you took Rondo off the Celtics where would they be? Probably still a top 3 seed in the East. They could insert any PG in there and he would look good. I think the top 5 should be
Rondo > Nash
i agree with billy
Rondo is not better than Nash. Nash led a team to the greatest one season turnaround in NBA history. I don't care if Nash was 80 and Rondo was 25 I would still pick Nash. Too much emphasis is being put on Rondo's defense. He is an above average defender but I don't think he's going to be up for DPOY awards anytime soon. Put Rondo on a crappy team and see how he does. Part of the reason he can be so aggressive on defense is that he has teammates like Perkins and KG to back him up in the post. Nash has Amare who is one of the most criticized bigs about his lack of defense. Nash can make players look like allstars. Rondo just plays with them.
Plus, Rondo has no shot! How can he be a top 5 PG and not have a shot? Nash is money out to the 3 point line, Rondo can't even make a 10 foot jumper 60% of the time. I think Rondo will pass Nash eventually but until he gets a consistent shot you can't put him ahead based on potential.
Ha this was just a question about a trade idea conjured up by the people at cbssports, it seems like everyone has there bias on the best pg. The truth is not gonna let anyone tell him Jameers not a top notch pg, everyone is aware of Rondo's shaky jumpshot, and yes Devin Harris is one fastest and talented young offensive pgs. Just was intrigued by the trade proposal and wanted to see who would benefit more or if both teams would find success with these acquisitions
As of right now,
Rondo > Billups
No way, Rondo has not even had a long enough career to be put above Billups. You are basing it completely on his potential. How about in Detroit when they named 4 of the 5 Pistons starters to the All Star game with Billups leading them? Or when the whole starting 5 for the Pistons got invited to try out for the Olympic team? You have to put Rondo on a team without KG and Ray and Pierce and then see what he can do.
If Nash and Rondo matched up in a game Rondo would DESTROY Nash... Nash couldnt stay in front of Rondo or keep him off the boards... Nash would get his points and assist but im willing to bet Rondo will make him work real HARD to get his points... Rondo has the ability to pick up full court and harrass Nash (which would creat turnovers)... On offense Rondo would get his ALL DAY cause Nash doesnt play defense... Nash will win more games but Rondo will win you a championship....
Are we talking about current teams matching up? I think it's a pretty proven point the Celtics are better than the Suns so I don't see how that would prove anything about Rondo being the better player.
On current teams, on the playground, at the YMCA, it doesnt matter Rondo clearly has a speed, size, athletic advantage over Nash (who is 35 or 36 yearsl old)....
Haha obviously Rondo will have an athletic advantage over Nash, he's what only 23? But I think at this point in his career he hasn't done anything to make me want to put him over Nash as a top 5 PG. Like I posted earlier, put him on a bad team and make him turn it around. I find it hard to believe that a guy who might even be the 5th best player on his team should be a top 5 PG in the NBA at this stage of his career. The guy plays with 3 All Stars regularly, that team should be winning a lot of game but he's not the reason behind it.