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if you're the best basketball mind....

hahahaha then please, someone grace me with knowledge on what it takes to be an NBA champion.

here's what i posted a while back 'Elements of Championship Teams', and got no feed back on.... if you guys are so brilliant, help me out.

I've been thinking a lot about what it takes to win championships... does having 5 guys who play the prototypical positions (PG-SG-SF-PF-C) really matter? There's all this talk about.... Russell Westbrook isn't a pure PG, etc. but is that really important?

I don't think so. I think it's much more important to have a wide range of skill sets on one team.... So I thought I'd try and break these skill sets down as best as I could.

Closer: A closer can get a GREAT, high % shot when the clock is winding down because for every defense you throw at him, he has a counter... whether it's passing out of the double-team, attacking the basket if you take away the jumper, or being a a good enough shooter to bury the J if given too much room. (When I think about the past champions.... I think Kobe, The Truth, Manu, DWade, Chauncey)

Post Presence: the ability to get the ball down on the block and convert when your team's shots aren't falling and you need to stop the bleeding. When you think about it, it's ridiculous that there are so many jumpers taken when getting the ball on the block as the ball like 5-10 ft from the basket, which would seem to make the chance of the ball going in sky-rocket (Pau/Kobe, Truth, and I also thought Perkins was very effective in the post when they won, Duncan, Shaq, Chauncey, yes even though he's a PG)

~and an aside, i think this is LeBron's greatest weakness, how does he not have a post game?

Scrappy/Tenacious Defender: A guy who can really get under the opposing team's best player's skin... You're never going to completely shut down NBA stars, but if you can make them shoot a low % and have to work HARD for every shot, you give yourself a lot better chance of winning. (Ariza, Posey, Bowen, Posey again in Miami, Tayshaun)

Outside Shooting: 3 pointers are worth 50% more than 2's, which I think is the biggest reason that there is less posting up, and more outside shooting. I'm in favor of taking 3s, but not at all in favor of long 2's, unless you can hit em at a very high %. This opens up the floor for everyone and makes running any offense easier. Spacing is key in the NBA where these athletes cover the court like Defensive backs in football. (Ariza/Fisher, Allen/House/Posey, Bowen/Manu, Posey/JWill/Kapono, Tayshaun/Sheed/Chauncey)

Instant Offense/Energy off the Bench: NBA games go in runs... they are often won or lost in 10 minutes, even though the game goes 48... If you can play another teams starters to stand-still but are able to really build a lead when 2nd units come in for 5-10 minutes every half, you're going to have a significant advantage. The INSTANT, is even more important in the playoffs because of shorter bench rotations, and more minutes for starters. You have to come and do your damage RIGHT AWAY.... there's no time for heating up.... (Odom/Shannon Brown, House/Posey, Manu, Posey again, Detroit... didn't really have that Okur, I guess? they played their starters an ungodly amount, that's for sure.)

SIZE/LENGTH: while it's not necessarily a skill, you can't teach size, but size/wingspan... that all makes a difference. I think this is most important for TEAM DEFENSE. you shrink the court with big guys and long arms and that makes it infinitely more difficult for the other team to win.

Ability to get to the FT line... Just as scoring in the post should be easier than just shooting jumpers, shooting 15 ft set shots from straight-away, WIDE OPEN is also easier.

So what else does it take u great basketball minds! lol

Or what teams have all these parts going into 2009?


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Leadership and

Leadership and chemistry.

Dhamp..the new Hubie Brown

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You kind of covered it all.

You kind of covered it all. You need some depth too, and some luck to stay healthy.

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who's the best leader in the

who's the best leader in the league? im gonna say Dwade. he's always calm and collected on the floor....

I also think KG is an amazing leader.

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I don't like him, but no

I don't like him, but no doubt in my mind Kevin Garnett. He could motivate anyone in the NBA.

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Great Post

I can't really argue against anything you said. I agree very strongly with your comment on Lebron and the no post game as well. The guy is way too big and strong not to be punishing guys down low. In my opinion part of that has to do with coaching, which is probably one of the few things you left out. I think coaching in the NBA is very different than any other level, but it's very important. Your guys have to respect you and trust in what you tell them to do. If they can buy into your system it can get you far.

Another thing that I think is key is having role players that know their roles. Guys that don't try to play outside of what their game is. They know what they do and what they do well, and that don't do anymore or less. You'll never see Bruce Bowen throwing up floaters in the lane or Shane Battier pounding the ball on the perimeter.

I have also noticed that teams that seem to do well every year have a system. The Lakers and Spurs seem to be constantly filling in roles. When a guy leaves or is getting ready to leave they usually have a backup for that guy. The new guy usually excels at the same things or is fairly close. These teams are always competing for a championship.

Like you I don't believe that positions have to be prototypical, but if you have a guy like Russel Westbrook you need someone that can be on the court with him to help with ball handling and decision making. I look at it, like how Tony Parker was when he came in the league. His decision making wasn't so great, so you would see Manu doing a lot of ball handling. We saw the same thing with the recent Bulls and Laker championship teams. Jordan, Pippen, Odom, Bryant, Walton see a lot more responsibility in moving the ball and making decisions than the point guards. I think positions are these imaginary labels that we put on people. Honestly I don't believe that you need a great ball handler at all. There is rarely any pressure put on the ball handler and you never see pressing. Essentially get the ball up the court and don't throw it away.

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Leader

As far as leaders go, I'm going with KG. The guy is tough, everyone respects them and everyone plays that much harder because he's going 110% every possession. He also holds his teammates accountable for what they do on court. His teams seem to take on his intensity and personality. He really makes that Celtics team that much more special. I also think he is going to be able to motivate Rasheed Wallace to bring it every night.

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coaching is huge~ on point.

coaching is huge~ on point. I look back at the past champs and see Phil Jackson, Popovich, Riley who are all-time greats. And I also think the Doc Rivers is a very good coach who gives his players a lot of confidence... his defensive mastermind (assistant) also deserves a lot of credit. the Celtics locked down.

and I also think that Flip Saunders (who I believe was Pistons coach when they won) is one of the best coaches in the league. He and KG are the reason the wolves made the playoffs so many years in a row.

I think that the Wizards have a legit chance of making the finals this year when I look at it more closely. (if they can get lucky and stay healthy!)

I think Caron has a very decent post game and if they can get anything out of McGee and Blatche, they are dangerous. Gilbert is the closer so that's there... jamison and mike miller should spread the court.... i donno who they're defender is though...... maybe not...

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sorry but the wizards have NO chance

sorry but the wizards have NO chance at a title this season! why? a lead guard that makes too many bad decisions(g.arenas) a forward who can't guard his position (a. jamison) and i'm sure they will not be able to have there "want to be big 3" stay healthy all year.

and i think kg and c. billups are two of the best leaders in the league

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I Don't Want to seem bias

I Don't Want to seem bias but kobe is the best leader......at everytime out at every dead ball position, this guy is telling whta his team to do; how to be placed and wereto be placed, he is encouraging them and even yells at them, when he knows they have to toughen up.....he has to much love of the game to lose and wants his team to feel the same way

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(PISTONS LOST when they had

(PISTONS LOST when they had FLIP) ------WON WITH Larry B BABY..

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Kobe and the Wizards

Kobe is a dictator. He's not a leader. I guarantee if you took a poll of what superstar NBA players wanted to play with Kobe Bryant would not be top 10. Despite his talents, he's very self absorbed and he makes you want to cringe when you start seeing the Bizarro Kobe pop up. I think everyone zones out when he starts talking to them. No one respects him on that team. Besides, what good leader do you know of that goes around badmouthing your young big man?

As for the Wizards, they still don't play any defense. Seems like they have 10 shooting guards and no real big men. Arenas for all of his clutch play, kills that team because he's always looking for his shot first...second...and third. Their only chance to survive will be outscoring opponents, so hopefully Mike Miller regains his touch. Blatche is ridiculously inconsistent and Jamison is getting older and not going to get any better. McGee is still raw and Haywood really hasn't done much to impress me over the years.

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Ah... the fact that larry

Ah... the fact that larry brown was the coach only solidifies the importance of good coaching because he is one of the best of all time.

Yea, I mean I'm not going to predict that the Wizards are going to make it to the finals, but I think we have to give them a chance that they'll make it. When Gil gets going he is tough to stop.... I've never been that high on the guy, but I think that Flip is a really good coach and could rein him in a little, but I could definitely be wrong.

I think they have to make a trade for a legit big guy to have a chance. I think using McGee or Blatche and packaging them with some of their wings could bring a serviceable big man to washington... They are loaded on the perimeter.

Gilbert, Foye, Young, Miller, Butler, Jamison, Blatche, McGuire, McGee, Haywood..... they have some decent pieces when healthy

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And I definitely agree with

And I definitely agree with Kobe being more of a dictator and not really a good leader. Kobe WANTS very badly to be a good leader, and I think he's gotten better but I still don't think he's best in the league. He does way too much TELLING people what to do and I think he mostly makes his guys feel nervous because if they don't come through, he's going to be pissed.

He's trying to hold everyone accountable but he's just too condescending, IMO. KG holds ppl accountable but he SUPPORTS them when they screw up and gives them confidence. Kobe just glares like a little biotch

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KnicksBoy... what you think? you always say you're one of the

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