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yes

Nash is way overrated he scored in Dallas and just because the suns with many good players improved he's the mvp. The suns could have improved w/ any other descent, unselfish player

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I agree with Iverson winning the MVP that year. He lead the league in scoring, steals, and was among the leaders in assist.

As far as D'Antoni's style winning a championship, I'm not really sold on that. This is coming from a die-hard Knick fan as well. They play less defense now, then when Isiah Thomas was coaching them. Unless they find a guy who fits the up tempo style and can play some defense, then they will be what the Phoenix Suns were, an exciting team with an exciting style, that won't be able to win the big one. I am a staunch believer that defense wins championships.

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I agree with Iverson winning the MVP that year. He lead the league in scoring, steals, and was among the leaders in assist.

As far as D'Antoni's style winning a championship, I'm not really sold on that. This is coming from a die-hard Knick fan as well. They play less defense now, then when Isiah Thomas was coaching them. Unless they find a guy who fits the up tempo style and can play some defense, then they will be what the Phoenix Suns were, an exciting team with an exciting style, that won't be able to win the big one. I am a staunch believer that defense wins championships.

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what does mvp on a losing team have to do with anything?

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D. Hamp wins the argument

D. Hamp wins the argument regardless because y'all actually agreed to challenge him! Y'all actually defeated the purpose of challenging him in the 1st place, because in doing so... Y'all only proved y'all think he's the best!

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How do you..

Delete post...sorry for double posting my laptop is acting up.

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Just name the Last MVP on a

Just name the Last MVP on a losing team. Just because Kobe dropped 35ppg he shouldn't have won it. He was on a losing team.

I would say Iverson could have won it as well, His team actually went to the Playoffs that year.

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This ties in to what I said

This ties in to what I said earlier...what defines the MVP? Kobe had better stats, but he was on a losing team, Nash was the driving force behind getting his team to the playoffs. Is the MVP the person with the better stats or the person who leads his team to the playoffs?

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if your talking about leading crappy teams to the playoffs look at dwayne wade

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Kobe should have 2 MVP's at

Kobe should have 2 MVP's at least. This year he was being saved for the Final and did not get many minutes and did not have to so I understand he is glad to get a finals MVP and a championship instead of MVP. Steve Nash deserved his first MVP because he controlled a team of that much talent which is not easy. He was also solid for them offensively but if he never won an MVP and other won it I woudl not be mad because it is debateable that there were better players. His second MVP, I was rooting for Kobe the whole time because he played like amazing. How could he not get it the way he played. That whole teammate better stuff was BS, his team was young and not very talented.

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kobe was'nt on a losing team

When he should have won the mvp over nash, the lakers went 45-37.

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OK. Question number 2.

If Greg Oden comes back healthy, do you build around Oden and Roy....or Roy and Aldrdige.

I say trade Alridge because I don't think the three of them can co-exist. If you noticed, last year Alrdige constatnly looked over his shoulder wondering when to shoot and when to pass because many view Aldridge and Oden as building blocks.

I say build the team around a healthy Oden (first scoring option and defensive anchor) and then Roy (second option) because dominate big men are hard to find.

P.S. if you have questions, bring them on.

Dhamp...the new Hubie Brown.

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How did Dhamp win. He said

How did Dhamp win. He said Nash was overrated. He isnt, was he overrated the years he won it maybe the second year but the first year I think he may have deserved but maybe AI could have deserved it too. Second year was more about Media trying to get younger kids to want to pass more and they did not want to see any more AI clones. So they hyped Nash up.

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Yea but...when you lose

Yea but...when you lose Stoudemire and Johnson and your wins decrease from 62 to 54...that's amazing. The suns substituted Amare and Johnson with Diaw, Bell and Thomas. Nash held that team together.

They lost 2 players who can average 20 plus and got back to the Conference Finals? Crazy

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Nobody wins

It's a dumb idea to challenge one person. Half the people were arguing with him and half were arguing against just like any other thread. In the end, it is all just opinion anyways.

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New Subject! Build around

New Subject!

Build around all 3. If all 3 are very good....pay all of them.

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I think adjusting to a new

I think adjusting to a new teammate especially one that occupies the same space take time. Oden is more inside so that allows Alridge to continue to stay outside where he like to anyway so I don't see them needing to change anything. They are a good young team but they need some point guard help now that Roy is a bigger scoring option. That could be what is hurting Portland also they need a vet there as well that can get their respect at one of their need positions. To me they will be fine. Bayless does not seem to fit into what they are trying to do because his game is scoring and they have that. They need a playmaker type but maybe they see Bayless a top scoring 6 man but I thought that was Rudy fernadez's job.

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Ok, Oden will NOT be the

Ok, Oden will NOT be the first option on that team.
Brandon Roy is a proven scorer, all star, and in my opinion superstar.
Brandon Roy should be the number 1 option on this team FOR SURE, that is his team, and they are one of the best teams in the west.
Aldridge is also an up in coming all star , and great player. In a couple years he will be one of the best PF in the league.
Oden, if he comes back healthy, he will be the number 3 or 4 option until he can prove that he belongs in the league.
He is a great big man, but hasnt played enough in the NBA to prove that he should be the number 2 option yet,

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The coach allowed them to do

The coach allowed them to do well by allowing Diaw to play in many different spots. Nash did not do that.

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I would trade Oden before

I would trade Oden before I'd trade Aldridge, I know it might seem crazy because some of yall think Oden will be good, but I dont.

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getting back to the confrence finals

They needed 7 games aginst the lakers and 7 games aginst the clippers before they ran into the spurs. Raja, Diaw, Marion, Tim Thomas, and Barbosa were all playing well. Nash was great by all means, but Kobe had a better season then him. All the announcers and media admitted Kobe was the best, but becasue he only won 45 games, they were'nt gonna give the best player mvp. The fact that he finished 4th that year makes it even more sad, and it also makes me seriously belive his lack of popularity had something to do with the voting.

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If I was Portland...If Oden

If I was Portland...If Oden has a good year next year ( 13ppg, 9rpg and 1bpg) , I would throw him a 5 year/40 mil extension

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Oden if he can stay healthy

Oden if he can stay healthy will be good and he can potentially be better than Howard. His body and athletic ability or close to equal and Oden is taller and stronger. I am having fun but i have to go now Later everyone and Dhamp hold it down. You should have one less person to go at you because i know you scared of me lol.

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Why on earth would you make

Why on earth would you make Greg Oden the first scoring option on Portland???? First off let me state that I agree with building around Oden and Roy, but Brandon Roy has proven himself to be the leader of that team. Oden in no way shape or form deserves to be the 1st option. He is raw offensively, not owning a decent back to the basket game and he looks very uncomfortable facing the basket as well. Plus a healthy Oden, has already been hard to come by, He has proven himself to have injury concerns already, and he hasn't even been a pro for 3 years yet. Roy on the other hand, has proven himself as a leader and a scorer on a team who with time, may very well be a potent threat in the west, The Blazers have so much potential up the ass its crazy (which is why I am hoping that the Knicks do a sign and trade with David Lee over there.)

Oden can be a defensive anchor because he has already shown an NBA ready shot blocking skill, but he needs to own a post move first before you can mention him as a 1st scoring option, or even a 3rd scoring option.

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Naw. Oden and Alridge won't

Naw. Oden and Alridge won't be able to play with each other. Alridge's confidence will began to wane. And for whoever said Aldridge is on his way to being an all-star is stupid. He's 6 feet 11 and barely averaged 7 rebounds last year. Make Oden the number 1 option when he is ready. You have to build around a big man if you have one.

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I'm not sure with Aldrige

I'm not sure with Aldrige and Oden not being able to play together. They have two contrasting styles and I think that works. Oden, is big, powerful, and bruising. Aldridge has a finesse game, a nice 12-15 foot jumper. However, I do agree with Aldridge beeing soft. Him and Channing Frye were basically the same player.

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Who knows...Oden maybe the

Who knows...Oden maybe the next Sam Bowie (I hope not). He has already missed a year and a handful of games, and he is still young. Take it from a guy who has had numerous knee injuries and such, they not only have a physical effect, but in the back of your mind you always wonder if something else can go wrong.

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Make him the first scoring

Make him the first scoring option when he is ready.

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First of all, Oden hasnt

First of all, Oden hasnt played enough to prove that he can be the number 1, or even 2 option.
And when and IF he is healthy, Oden will have to have a good season, (maybe 15-17 ppg, 8-10 rpg) to even have him as the 2nd option. Roy is one of the best SG in the league, and one of the best scorers in the league, you have to continue to build around him.

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LaMarcus and Greg can play

LaMarcus and Greg can play together. It was there 1st season together. They have to get in sync with each other.

My Question to people- Can Brandon Roy Play PG? IMO, he can

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Yes, at key moments, Roy,

Yes, at key moments, Roy, who decalred for the draft out of highschoo:), can play point.

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Any questions anyone? Dhamp

Any questions anyone?

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Best Pg in the league in 3

Best Pg in the league in 3 years ?

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Oden can potentially be

Oden can potentially be great because he does a lot of things well including playing D, blocking shots and rebounding. I'm a big fan and think he will have a very good career, but Roy is a better scorer. Oden potentially be a better all-around player, but Roy is the better scorer and therefore should be #1 option of offense.

Aldridge adds a lot to the mix and has a diverse skillset that could mesh with both players. They should get a pass first point guard and keep all 3 together. They will enjoy a very bright future if Oden is the player I think he will be and avoids injuries.

Yes, Roy could play point guard, but they would be better off with a pass first guy who could distribute the ball to players in a good position to get their shot off.

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Probably CP3 of D Will. To

Probably CP3 of D Will. To me, the are the same. They are the top two point guards in the league. You'll have to pick them based on preference.

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I believe that CP3 will be

I believe that CP3 will be the guy, and D-Will will be very close to him.
Westbrook and Rose will also be in the discussion.

Which brings me to another question..

Westbrook or Rose?

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Rose

will be right there with Paul and DWill in 3 years. His explosiveness around the basket and change of direction is second to none at pg position. Westbrook will be very good, but I'm not ready to put him with the other guys yet.

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Rose. Most athletic point

Rose. Most athletic point guard to come along. He is a winner and has all offensive skills needed. Also works very hard and has a good head on his shoulders. In time, he will be best of all point guards.

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Overall in 3 years, I think

Overall in 3 years, I think we may say Russell Westbrook. I like the fact he can play Offense and Defense very well.

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Thank you Knicksboy, I love

Thank you Knicksboy,
I love Westbrooks potential, and call me crazy, but I think that Westbrook will be better than Rose.

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I dont. Derrick Rose or

I dont. Derrick Rose or Chris Paul will be the best PG in 3 years i think..

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This is a wild card but Rose

This is a wild card but Rose and Jennings could be it lol. Some loser went around and took point from all my posts. I really dont care because i have points to spare but my thing is come out and say who you are quit being a coward. That is why you have men that dont want to be men nowadays because they are punks who hide behind stuff if you are man man up.

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MVP goes to the player who

MVP goes to the player who is most valuable to their team. When Kobe was scoring 35 a night he taking away from his team a little because he forced so many poor shots, although the team he was on was below average. Nash won the awards not because he was better then Bryant but because he was incredibly valuable to his team. You guys forget that the Suns lost every game Nash missed except 1 in his 2 years as MVP. I think they were like 1-8 but were one of the top seeds in the west when he played. Kobe is way better then Nash, but I believe Nash did deserve the first MVP he got. The second one, well....

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yupyup look at my pic

yupyup look at my pic

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Knicksboy you demon! Haha

Knicksboy you demon! Haha well hopefully he goes somewhere and makes that a false statement!

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I hope he comes back and

I hope he comes back and makes the 2nd round...until he does...the pic stays!

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I am pretty sure that pic

I am pretty sure that pic will stay awhile if he doesn't leave Houston.

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q for DHAMP

oh all mighty DHAMP- the most knowledgeable basketball mind on the planet or 2nd behind hubie brown, how do you not have a job as a nba scout? with all your knowledge you should be a gm by now. school is in session DHAMP, be quiet and raise your hand when you want some info. correct, nash deserved only his first MVP and yes kobe should have more than 1. wrong, just because he shouldn't have got his second MVP doesn't mean he is overrated. u reached a little to far for that one. wrong, greg oden will never be a number one option. that is ROY's team and aldridge fits perfect with roy and oden, a big man with range to open up driving lanes for roy and making space for oden who u won't see outside the lane much. correct, cp3 and dwill is a toss up for best pg in the next 3 years. real question, barring injury and trade, DHAMP, how many games realistically can the Suns win this year? this topic gets me going. PS- DHAMP, i respect what you do on this site but i dont like your arrogance and will play role of villain

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for Dhamp- how well will

for Dhamp- how well will Greg Oden do next year?

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Agree with Tezo, DHAMP wins

Agree with Tezo, DHAMP wins since you guys are even willing to challenge him lol in a SUBJECTIVE debate... hahahaha, like some how someone will WIN the debate... lol

Nash's teams won a LOT of regular season games and he was a big reason why- that's how you win a regular season MVP award. He (and D'Antoni) made Quentin Richardson look like an all-star. I mean, Shawn Marion is good, but he never looked better than when he was playing with Nash. Nash is one of the most underrated shooters/scorers in the game because he is such a good passer, but the guy does not miss open shots.

Yes, his defense is bad, but the fact is, his teams won a lot more games than they lost and he was at the helm of those squads.

Whoever called them out for having to win in 7 games the first two series... first of all, the western conference has always been tough and LOADED! And, I mean, the Celtics were taken to 7 games twice (or maybe it was 3 times) before winning their championship... winning 2 game 7s is not a bad feat...

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