DHamp the Challenge of the basketball minds against all
I am making this because DHamp wants to see me and anybody that think they can match up so yall bring it to DHamp. I know I will.
Where is Dhamp?
I lurk on this site all the time...and I watch you guys bicker back and forth. This should be entertaining...and as a Knick fan, I am rooting for you sir, isn't D hamp a Nuggets fan? (at least that's what I think I read)
Im In....No Doubt
Count me in too....I never get to debate b-ball anywhere else.
I remember him saying that and also this is all in fun for me, DHAMP knows i will still be cool with him as far as these posts go.
Dhamp is online but he has not stopped by which is shocking?
What in the world. I log back on the site and here's a post about me. I must really be the most popular on this site.
OK, I challenge EVERYONE!!!! No one knows more than me. Bring it on. I'm not running from anything related to basketball. Let's go. I'm ready.
Dhamp...the new Hubie Brown
Dhamp you get a point for being here okay homie you can start the subject. We will all come in and put out our info. It is all about you now.
Dhamp are you deleting my points man. You keep doing that and you will get off my give point for anything group.
LOL, This will be interesting
Where did he go, I am not gonna wait all day for him.
If you really think you are more knowledgable than anyone else is about basketball then you are crazy. I dont mind your crazy topics and you are borderline entertaining but I could school you in basketball knowledge. I'm not the only one either. You talk alot about Hubie Brown but you didnt even know how to spell his name properly until you were corrected. And wheres Devendorf?
im in.. the mo fo is friggin scared. He knows he can't beat all of us...
If Penny and Hill were never injured, who would have been better?
If Lebron retired tommorow, would he pass Bird as the all-time best sf?
How would Magic Johnson's game translate to todays league? Would he be able to hang with Paul, DWIll etc..?
Okay....Nbadraft.net against Dhamp.
Question number one: Is Steve Nash the most overrated player over the last five years (maybe ever).
His best year in the past 5 years is 18.6 points and 11.6 ast. Not bad for one season. But, his stats were inflated and for every point or assist Nash scored, he gave up just as many on the defensive end. He won those awards based off of regular season suscess, though everyone under the sun (expect in Phoenix) knew they couldn't win when it counted.... in the playoffs. They were never going to win a title, but based on excitement and inflated stats due to that run-and-gun system, Nash received alot of undue recognition.
There's no way he deserves two MVPs and Kobe Bryant, who has been in the league for 12 years, has one. Everyone knows how good Kobe is but the media and others don't like Kobe as much. At one point, Kobe was scoring 35 ppg and critics said he was selfish. But this year and last year, when he shot and scored less, all of a sudden he game was declining. Don't forget, Kobe is only 30. Jordan (he took two years off) played at a good level (20ppg) until he was 40.
To me, Steve Nash didn't deserve any MVP and shouldn't go to the hall-of-fame.
This should spark much Debate.
Dhamp..the new Hubie Brown.
No he is not. Your forget, He sat behind J-Kidd, who never played D. If your gonna say Nash is overrated, Kidd must have been overrated because he didn't play D well nor has a jumper early in his career
Nash won those MVP because he led the Suns in both years to good records.
Kobe was not a #1 option until 2005.... Shaq was always the 1st option in LA until he left
I believe he is one of the best distributors in the game. People don't think of him as an All Star now like they did back in his MVP days, which he definately deserved. He led the league in assists and made the Phoenix Suns the funnest team to watch. When Nash had the ball in his hands, you knew something good was going to happen. He also has a pure jump shot and is one of the best if not the best free throw shooter in the league. The thing that he does lack is defense, but on the offensive end, they guy was almost unstoppable. His MVP days are done now but back then he wasn't overrated.
So Steve Nash deserves two MVPs and Kobe only has one? You're truly crazy.....And Nash is not even half the player Bryant is.
Dhamp...the new Hubie Brown
Uhh..There is only one MVP given out each year.
To win a MVP, people have to believe (majority) your the best player.
Steve Nash led the Suns to a huge improvement in his 1st season and he held the Suns up while Stoudemire was hurt. Sounds like a MVP to me.
Steve Nash did not deserve two MVPs, I think he helped propel a talented team that would have won it if not for Healthy concerns or injuries. The year Miami won and the year San Antonio recently one should have been to Phoenix. A Healthy Phoenix would have beaten Dallas and beaten Miami easy. Miami had no answer for Phoenix style. Also those suspension were bs. Phoenix almost beat San Antonio with all of their bigs gone and then they had to do to San Antonio where the official allowed them to beat up on Amare and other players to slow down their run and gun. Steve Nash is not overrated because their are few point guards that can run a team full of talented guys as well as he can. I have watched him play. He controls his team offensively very well and he can shoot. Defensively he sucks but hey that is why team play team defense and try to cover up some player weakness that they need on the floor. The media hype Nash up because he was white and playing on one of the top team in the league at that time and they also played a exciting brand of ball. Chris Paul has put up better numbers than Nash and actually carried a worst team to the playoffs but he was going against Kobe and Lebron and they finally got what they deserved. MVP is a joke but saying Nash is overrated because he won like he controlled that. He is still one of the top point guards yet his age is up there and he still sucks on D. Name me ten point guards you would want to run your team over him and this is not a long term thing. If you had to pick a year to choose a point guard to run your team could you pick 5 players worthy of that over Nash. Also some of yall who want to pick Rose, Rose is still lacking as a playmaker right now even with his potential.
He is overrated. He was a borderline all-star while in Dallas. Suddenly he goes to a system that could care less about defense and surrounds him with scoreres like Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, etc., and he excels. What really makes the MVP over Kobe when Kobe dropped 35.5 a game and was first team defense while leading a starting cast of Walton, Smush and Kwame to the 7th seed and one game away from beating Nash's Suns, is that Kobe actually finished 4th that year.
I will say that Nash is a great player and while I don't think he should have won either of those 2 mvp's, I do think he should hae won the year they gave it to Dirk. But no way was the voters gona give Nash 3 in a row.
Ok, Nash is not the most overrated player of the last 5 years.
Averaging 19 ppg and 12 apg is a great season, no matter what anyone says.
Not only are those great stats, The Suns had great seasons both years,
Not only that, He made Amare Stoudamire a better player, he averaged 26 ppg in nash's first mvp season.
Great numbers i'd say. Not that he wasnt a great player before, but nash's arrival made his stats much better.
Anybody who wins 2 mvps, let alone 2 mvp awards in a row, deserves to be in the hall of fame, no matter what anyone says.
You can go ahead and say that the year Kobe averaged 35 ppg, he deserved the mvp award, but not only did Nash have a great season, he overall made his team better .
Who would you have given it to? Nash took a team who was terrible the year before. Kobe was on a team on a losing record. Shaq could have on the MVP but the Suns exploded and noone saw it coming.
I kind of agree with D-Hamp in a sense. Agreeing that Nash doesn't deserve two MVP awards. I wouldn't say Nash is overrated as he is a complete offensive PG. He distributes the ball, can shoot the 3, and can take the big shot when needed, but he gives you nothing on the defensive side of the ball. Never has, never will. And I don't think that he should have won the MVP twice...let alone once. I think that the first season he won it, Allen Iverson should have walked away with that award. The second season, LeBron James was doing it all in Cleavland. The only reason Nash got his first MVP is because he helped turn around the then flailing Phoenix Suns into a playoff threat.
Nash made the Suns a better team, he deserved the award definetly .
You could make a case for the second one.
I can't believe y'all are actually flattering this dude by everyone going up against him. Y'all basically are saying he's the greatest just by even agreeing to go up against him. Y'all are acting lame. This dude D. Hamp is sitting at his computer grinning. Y'all made his day!
...define what the MVP means. Every year the award is given out for a different reason. In Nash's case, it was because he helped turn Phoenix around, in Kobe's case it was because he was the best player on the best team. In LeBron's case it was because he has the best stats.
Sheltwon, it seems as though we agree for the most part. The media (ESPN) plays a big role because they can sway public opinion. I admit, Nash is good, but like you and IIperez22 said, he shouldn't have won those two MVPs. Sheltwon I also started to bring up CP3 have better numbers, but I didn't want to bog down my question. I can't beleive Kobe has 1 MVP and for years people have been saying he is the better player. I understand being the best player doesn't always equate to the MVP, but really Steve Nash? They shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence.
Dhamp...the new Hubie Brown.
Nash did deserve the 1st MVP because who expected the Suns to go from 29 wins to 62 wins? Nash made everyone better.
Nash won the 2nd MVP because he pretty much held a team together without Amare Stoudemire. The Suns had to play Diaw at C for some games. Nash still led the team to 54 wins. Oh and Excuse me...they lost Joe Johnson as well.
I agree. Kobe is the better player and should have another MVP (This season). But Nash earned those MVP's
i believe were on the same page here knicks boy
i believe were on the same page here knicks boy
I expect people to drill me for this. But I actually thought Iverson should have won it that year. Iverson had his finest season as a pro. HIs numbers were 31 pts, 8 assists, 4 rebounds and he led a pretty bad roster to the playoffs. He should have won over Nash's 15 points and 12 assists while playing on a loded team that pushed the ball.
Just to point out, I'm not an AI fan nor do I thnk he was top 5 in any of the years since. But that year, people slept on him hard.
I believed he deserved one but also considering the competition he was facing both were kinda debateable but he should have gotten at least one because at that time team success also should be equated but he did not deserve a second one. Kobe should at least have 2 MVP's. Lebron has one now and not it is time for CP3 to get his. Howard needs some more post moves to get his.
I agree that Steve Nash is overrated but he was universally agreed upon as MVP at the time. MVP doesnt necessarily define the best player in the league or the most talented. It is the "Most Valuable Player" award. Nash was the most valuable player for his own team in each of the 2 seasons. He made a huge impact on Phoenix. What made him MVP was the fact that Phoenix would have been much worse without him.
really he shouldn't of won both mvp's you dont know if nash can play defense because with the suns they dont want you to play defense so why would it matter that he suck at defense the suns scoring is there motto if it was like detroit when defense was key and he was letting point guards score 20 point a game then you can say he doesnt deserve it
Mike D earn a coach of the year award for the Diaw thing but Nash did not deserve his second MVP. Even Nash knows this. Nash was like visibly shocked when he got number two. Basketball player know what time it is. The first one had a good case but the second one no and then he had better numbers and they gave it to Dirk the 3rd year because they knew they had messed up.
Mike D's style will give the Knicks a championship and Mike D will be well love in New York.
matter if kobe scored 35 points a game if to win mvp is to score alot then allen iverson would have like 3
talking about Nash making the Suns so much better should take into account that the Suns made other moves that year to improve as well. Both Joe Johnson and Amare improved significantly. Shawn Marion was an all-star, and QRich shot lights out. Except for Q, all those guys would be just as good without Nash.
Also, the Mavericks actually improved as team as soon as Nash left, why does that go unnoticed.
By the way, this idea of challenging somebody did'nt work. This is just like any ohter thread where people just debate a topic at random.
Kobe Bryant should have 3 MVPs. His first won, the year Nash won his second and this year, eventhough Lerbon won.
Had the Lakers played in the East this year, the would have won 72 games. They won 68 in the West.
Dhamp...the new Hubie Brown
But Kobe did'nt just score a lot. He scored a WHOLE lot, while also playing first team defense and leading a sorry team to the 7th seed and one game away from beating Nash's suns. Everyone in the league acknowledeged that Kobe was the best at that time. He did more then just score.
Its easy to look back now and say he didnt deserve the MVP, but then everybody thought so and he did deserve his MVP's no question in my opinion.
who wins the argument?
Dhamps has been quiet and i will in a little bit because i have to go update my NBA rosters and create some draft players. How many of yall do that.
All the people who say Nash doesn't play D...so what? That's not the point
I think The All-NBA is more important than MVP anyway.
D-Hamp- find me the last MVP on a losing team, i would be surprised if there is one...