Budinger 18pg 68 percent from the field
Are you impressed with how well he is shooting the ball against bigger faster players than he saw in college? I notice he is not doing much else on the court, but his scoring and proficiency at scoring is no joke. The only person in summer league shooting a higher percetage from the field is Augaustine and he plays inside. Will Chase score a lot when the season starts based on his accuracy from the field?
him falling to the deep second round is a joke. Some of these GM's are thinking too hard and ignoring the obvious stuff right in front of them. Buddinger can straight up play ball. Put an elite 6-7 athlete with a 40 inch vertical who can knock down anything within 30 feet in front of me, and i might think about drafting him before the 40th pick.
Yeah, I think it was obvious before he came to the NBA that he could play. It wasn't this year, but the year before that I think a lot of people had him as a lottery pick. I'm pretty sure he had a better year this year, but he fell hard. When he kept falling, I kept thinking to myself that one of the smart organizations will find a way to get him. I was putting my money on San Antonio since he seemed like an obvious fit. He would probably be an excellent fit with Yao, but who knows, I wouldn't be surprised if he'll get even more time because the Rockets are probably going to have to go into a straight rebuilding mode.
The funny thing is that every team in the league needs shooters. This guy is one and he has the size and athleticism, plus he doesn't have to stand around in one spot and wait for the ball like a guy like Kapono or Korver. This just pretty much proves that the majority of GMs seriously don't know basketball that much better than any of us, despite having more tools and money at their disposal.
I agree with much of what llperez22 said. However, on the flip side, Budinger never really did anything in college to merit going very high in the draft. In my opinion, he should have gone in the mid to late 20's.
As for his NBA career, I wouldn't get overly excited about his play during the summer league, but it certainly is a good indication about his physical talent. I think the big question for him is whether he can diversify his game and become a more well rounded player on the offensive end. That means doing a lot more than simply taking 3 point shots. Apparently he's shown the ability to drive to the hoop, now he needs to make it a regular part of his game.
As for doubledribbler's comments about many NBA GMs, I think they are dead on.
Budinger looks good no doubt as far as his shooting. I still don't think he will ever make an impact in the league. Maybe as a good shooter to bring off the bench at best. He obviously has a nice shot but I just don't like the rest of his game. He doesn't defend, doesn't rebound, not a good passer, plays soft the majority of the time. Right now he is purely a jumpshooter that will occasionally drive to the basket. He is fun to watch though I hope he proves me wrong. I would love to see him starting for the Rockets one day but I just don't see it.
I probably need to clarify that I don't think the guy will ever be a great player and he will never sniff an all star game, I just think he fell a decent ways further than what he should have. I agree with rbt about him being drafted in the mid to late 20s. I think he'll end up being a solid role player. Which in a few years, you won't be able to probably say that about quite a few of the players drafted ahead of him. Actually he will probably be one of those guys that is always ending up on a team with a good post player to help keep the floor spaced.
I watched plenty of him over the last 3 years. And while he clearly will never become anything special, he is a very safe pick. The dude is a great athlete that can run the floor hard. He is a knock down shooter who will stretch defenses. I'm not saying the guy is amazing or anything, but for him to drop as far as he didd is strange. I expect him to be a more athletic Eric Piatkowski.
DoubleDribbler wrote, " I think he'll end up being a solid role player. Which in a few years, you won't be able to probably say that about quite a few of the players drafted ahead of him. Actually he will probably be one of those guys that is always ending up on a team with a good post player to help keep the floor spaced."
Wow! It sounds exactly like something I would say. I rarely agree 100% with anyone, but this is actually one of those times.
I think Chase is going to make a lot of GM's seem foolish. In the NBA to be a solid role player you need one distinguishing characteristic and he has that in his shooting ability. He also has excellent athletisism which distinguishes himself from most pure shooters. He has the potential to improve his game greatly and in a more steady system with talented players he should thrive. At worst I see him as a more athletic Kyle Korver at best I see him as a Vince Carter. He's going to have to work hard to reach that potential but he is capable of reaching that plateau.
he is definatly doing very well..though he doesnt have elite athleticism. people tend to get vertical mixed up with elite athleticism...with that said even though he isnt a elite athlete he is doing very well which shows you dont have to have the greatest foot speed or the fastest if you have a good jump shot
He is a shooter, nothing more nothing less right now. He is a good leaper, but I wouldnt say he is a good athlete if you know what Im trying to say. He isnt quick and has trouble with speed, especially defensively. He also isnt great putting the ball on the floor, or passing. I watched him play twice in summer league and he didnt create his own shot 1 time. He may make it but he is going to have to do more than shoot and get the occasional backboor to be successful.
he can do the luke walton or steve kerr thing and have a pretty good career just compliment star players or if hhis shot is good enough play the chris mullin (later years)type roll
more like Brent Barry... if you want to have a career comparison. I mean, he can win dunk contests (or at least get robbed and handed 2nd place).
As I'm reading this thread, I am once again disappointed to see more blatant examples of racial stereotyping which is comparing white players only to other white guys and/or black players only to other black guys.
Here's the current absurd comparisons to Budinger scorecard that includes three guys who aren't even in the league any more.
1. Eric Piatkowski.
2. Chris Mullin
3. Brent Barry
4. Steve Kerr
5. Luke Walton
6. Kyle Korver
7. Jason Kapono
And shocker of all shocks, blink3ebfan actually compared him with Vince Carter. I don't see the comparison but thank you for at least going beyond the racial stereotype.
OK guys, there are 7 names on the list and the only one I would compare with Chase Budinger is Brent Barry, who is also a great leaper and an excellent outside shooter. For the most part, the other guys are good shooters but that's it, they have nothing else in common with Budinger.
Come on, Budinger is a 6 ft 7 leaper who can shoot. Are you going to tell me the guys on this forum can't find 6 ft 6 or 6 ft 7 inch black guys who can leap and shoot? Maybe they would be a better comparison for Chase Budinger.
I did'nt even think of race when I made the Piatkowski comparison. Plain and simple, those dudes play alike. Put race aside and tell me if you disagree with that. And what does being out of the league have to do with anything?
1. Piatkowski was a guy who couldn't get off his own shot. The only way he could get off a shot in the NBA was off of a screen. That's why he wasn't successful. In addition, he wasn't much of a leaper.
In sharp contrast, Budinger is a GREAT Leaper and a guy who can get off his shot any time he wants. He doesn't need a screen to be effective. He also has a pretty decent set of driving to the hoop skills which was virtually non existent for Piatowski. That's why he was a failure in the NBA.
2. When people compare white guys they often run out of other current white players so they go back in time to retirees. For example, you will often see white PF's compared with Kurt Rambis who hasn't played in 15 years and had very limited skills. But just about every white PF is compared to him.
3. Very often racial stereotyping is not a conscious decision, I think people do it subconsciously. I don't think people sit down and say to themselves I'm only going to compare Budinger with white guys.
Budinger can jump higher then Pike, thus I said he was a more athletic version of Eric. But if you think Chase can get his shot off whenever he wants, then I completely dissagree. I don't think Buddinger's ability to create will be very good at the NBA level at all. He will run in transition, but other then that, I don't see his athleticism standing out at all. Pike was a solid role player who actually started a lot of games for the Clippers. He had a very similar game to Buddinger IMO.
It's true that many people make comparison's based on race. But in the case of Buddinger and Pike, I think it fits quite well regardless of the color of their skin.
llperez22, we definitely disagree with the comparison to Piatowsk but I appreciate your thoughts.
Look at the names on this list, there are no black guys. Budinger is a 6 ft 6 leaper with a terrific outside shot and almost everybody comes up with a list of only white guys who cannot jump nor drive drive to the hoop. With the exception of Brent Barry, who is a great leaper and a guy with better than average driving skills, everyone else on this list are stand up shooters who can or could only get their shot off on a screen. But everyone uses them as a reference because they're white.
Once again, there must be at least a half dozen [possibly more] black guys in the league who are about the same size as Budinger, are great leapers and excellent shooters. Why aren't they used in the comparison?
And I was wrong with my initial count. There are 7 names and 3 of them are retired players.
1. Eric Piatkowski.
2. Chris Mullin
3. Brent Barry
4. Steve Kerr
5. Luke Walton
6. Kyle Korver
7. Jason Kapono
Honestly, if he played like a black player, white player, Asian, hispanic whatever it wouldnt matter to me. He doesnt play anything like Vince Carter though, thats for sure. The closest comparison is Brent Barry in my opinion. It has nothing to do with race though.
iguodala9, I also happen to think the Brent Barry comparison is a very good one. But the other 6 names on the list are guys who cannot jump and have virtually no driving to the hoop skills. So why would people use them for a comparison to a guy who's always described as a great leaper? The answer is of course obvious.
Guys are pumping Buddinger up but think he could have gone a little earlier but still in the second. He is a slow, sundersized SF who claims to have some hops. He cant even start on the Rockets summer league team. The guy was good at Arizona but he got all kinds of sots. He wont get that for the Rockets or any team he plays for therefore, he will waste away till he plays overseas were he will be ok.
Budinger turned down an invitation to play volleyball for the U.S. team to go to Arizona. He doesn't claim to have some hops he can jump
Just because he can play volleyball doesnt mean he has some hops. Have you ever watched VBall?? You dont have to jump high, you have to have power and placement in your spike. He is 6'7 BTW and that means he wouldnt have to jump very high. IMO he should have played VBall.
i cant really think of too many player he reminds me of..wouldnt say brent barry because brent was more athletic and a better ball handler..chris mullins seems about right off the top of my head
josh huestis, once again you illustrated how little you know about basketball. How or why would you compare C. Budinger with Chris Mullins?
Budinger is a great leaper, he's just a slightly above average 3 point shooter, he has a pretty decent set of driving skills, and he can get off his own shot because of his great vertical. You can't say any of those things about Mullins who was a very different type of player.
Chris Mullins, who hasn't played in years, was a master craftsman.
1. Unlike Budinger who's only a slightly above average shooter, Mullins was a 3 point assassin. In other words, Mullins was one of the greatest shooters in NBA history.
2. Chris Mullins had no offensive moves, he scored the bulk of his points on screens using a lightning quick release. Mullins only needed a split second to get off his deadly shot. Budinger doesn't have a quick release and his jump shot is very different.
3. Budinger has a 38 inch vertical while Chris Mullins was lucky if he had a 12 inch vertical. Budinger uses that great leaping ability to get off his shots.
4. Chris Mullins was a go to guy in the clutch. Chase Budinger was a good player in college, he wasn't a go to scorer, and he will probably become an above average role player in the NBA.
thats my comparison my opnion..since chase hasnt played a in the nba no one knows so saying i know nothing about basketball just because you dont agree makes no sense. All anyone can say is what they think he will become with no answers being wrong since he hasnt played yet unless you can somehow look into the future which i doubt..its my opnion just like you have youres...you can agree or disagree all u want..dont really care to be honest but its not gonna change my opinion..so like i said chris mullin type game is what im predicting
ive notice something..you are always quick to talk about racism when someone compares a white player to another white player when it doesnt really matter seeing as thats there opinion like everyone else and you tend to put people down when they give an opinion about a player that you dont agree with when all you have to say is you dont agree and explain why instead of making comments like " you dont know about basketball". everyone doesnt have to agree with you to know about basketball. and i for one can see a mullin comparision since neither is real fast nor creates there own shot very well but they can both shoot off of spot ups and screens...when a player is compared they are never an exact match , they share certain attributes but not all becaise there are no 2 players a like. so calm down with the insults if you dont agree with someone. its pretty childish
naw jared why would he have stuck to volleyball when he can make alot more money playing basketball. i wonder if he can do both or does the season overlap....and thanks quincey but im just gonna skip over any of his post without reading them and just converse with everyone else.
quincey hodges, in general I think you made some good points about how one should behave in a public forum and I actually agree with you. However, I think you have your facts wrong. If you go back and review my posts, you will find that with one exception, I'm almost always polite and never attack someone simply because they disagree with me. Come on, if everyone agreed, there would be no need to have forums like this.
Having said that, Josh Huestis personally attacked me numerous times, he made racist comments on more than one occasion, he's been repeatedly rude to others, his English is atrocious, and he's proven to me over time that he doesn't deserve the kind of courtesy you so rightly pointed out others deserve So yes I'm rude to him. In this case I'm guilty as charged, but I go out of my way to be polite to others.
As for your other comment, I'll let the facts speak for themselves. Chase Budinger was compared to 7 other white guys in this thread, 3 of whom are actually retired and out of the game. IMHO, only one of them, B. Barry, has a similar game. Those comparisons to only white guys are a FACT, I didn't make it up. I called that racial stereotyping and I defined what that is earlier in this thread.
Quincey, if you go back and read what I wrote, you will not find any post where I called anyone in this thread a racist. I said they subconsciously compare white players only to white guys and black players to black guys. This thread is the perfect example where Budinger is compared only with other white guys. That is racial stereotyping and it's very obvious. There's a huge leap between that and calling someone a racist.
My goal is very simple. I think in the year 2009, people should reflect upon what they say and think about old habits. That is not equivalent to calling people racists. I want basketball players to be judged as individuals, not as white or black players.
As for the Budinger - Mullins comparison, I think I made my points and they were very specific. Obviously we disagree but if you wrote what Heustis wrote, my approach would have been completely different. Having said that, I would also state that if Chris Mullins was black, nobody in this thread would be comparing him to C. Budinger.
But thanks for the feedback because in general we agree. I just ask that you go back and read my old posts and point out, other than when J. Heustis was involved, where you think I was rude, impolite, or condescending.
I don't know if Chase Budinger will ever end up being as good as Steve Smith was, but his game certainly reminds me of Steve Smith