2010- 2011 OKC Thunder: Is There Such A Thing As Being TOO Loaded?
I'm sure a few of you have heard that the Thunder are a sexy pick as a up and coming team and they are my second favorite team after Portland. But I was looking at potential moves next summer in the NBA with the draft and free agency as well as watching summer league games and noticed next year OKC will have a scenario where they could have as many as 10 players that could start for most NBA teams with at least a year or two of develpoment. The known commodities are Durant, Green and a possibly improved Westbrook. Nenad Krstic is really good as well. Then for anyone watching summer league they found out that Harden is more than legit, and Mullens and Ibaka have loads of potential once they gain experience and develop as big men (takes a bit longer). Now look forward to next years' draft. OKC has not one but TWO !st rounders. I'm not saying both will be lottery picks but it's pretty safe to say at least one of them will be and it's a stronger draft. OKC also has cap room to sign a free agent in what is expected to be one of the strongest Free Agent crops in recent memory. And as far as trading players is concerned, everyone pretty much knows none of the above players are going to be traded for less than a young all-star except maybe Krstic. Is having all that top notch talent good for team chemistry and morale? It's a good problem to have for OKC though! What do you guys think about the question and the situation OKC will find itself in a year?
No such thing as being to loaded u never kno wat might happen during tha season some 1 could get hurt, and also there playing n tha west so they shuld stock up on as much talent as they can... but I do agree okc is a very deep team
Exactly. Too loaded? I know Minnesota, Sacremento and Milwaukee wish they were "too loaded" right now.
I live in Tulsa, 90 mins from OKC. They are light years away. Trust me.
Dhamp = the new Hubie Brown....the name you can trust....Smooter than Doug Collins balding head.
Too loaded is a big problem like having too much sex.
too much sex? lmao. come on dude, if you could do that for a living you'd be happy,
anyway, i think okc will be fine. it's more of the chemistry...but i think they're all good characters....OKC VS MEMPHIS in the future.
My point exactly!
If they don't have selfish players they will be fine. If they had guys like Z. Randolph who would rather score 20 and lose than score 10 and win, they would be in trouble. Their core seems to be higher character guys, so they should be ok. Can't have too much talent or too much sex if the right people are involved!!!!!!!
I disagree w/ all of you. You can be too loaded. But OKC damn sure aint it.
The most famous case of this is the Pippen-led Blazers. 2 deep at every position, but everyone was a bit too unselfish.
(Forgot who was backup PG)
JR Rider, Bonzi (damn he used to kill Kobe)
Young J. Oneal
Wow. s2jepka... Ha ha ha. Don't forget about Greg Anthony, who often closed for Stoudamire and Stacey Augmen.
Dhamp = the new Hubie Brown....the name you can trust....Smoother than Doug Collins balding head.
stoudamire was a pot head at the time and if i remember right, portland wasn't the best of chemistry.
The names are better than the talent. Young O'neal was worthless. Sabonis was injured. Pippen was past his prime. Smith had a knee problem. Rider, Bonzi Wlls and Jim Jackson all need the ball to be effective. The problem was not too much talent in this case. The problem was the talent didn't mesh into a good team, and the names were more impressive than the actual talent as was the case when Lakers added Payron and Mailman. Same with Suns recently. Names like Shaq, Nash, Hill< Richardson, etc. sound good based on their careers, however, they are not at the good side of their careers. This team all in it's prime would be something if they were willing to play together instead of trying to have good stats.
They did get close to winning it all though but the thing is OKC is getting good charactor guys so they should be alright. Also nowadays every team with a smart GM will be too loaded. There is more talent than opening in the NBA. Why you think GM's want shorter contracts so that players will not sign and and then slack and hold their team back because there is always another talented hardworking guy to replace someone especially now when it has been year since and an expansion team and you had two great draft and then some decents ones and also you have draft that had better players in the second round which meant more contracts being locked up. There are still quality free agents now to be had but some teams are sitting on their rears and now making moves.
Points wise I went from 290 to 345 in like a little time and i dont know what happened. Someone out there is giving me points.
Good points Sheltwon. My point about the Lakers is that their names sounded unbeatable. They did get close, but if Payton and Malone were playing at that time as good as their names, Lakers win crown easily and might have been greatest team ever assembled. However, Payton was well past his prime and wasn't a good fit for that particular team at that time. Just to clarify.
speaking of loaded, do you think Lebron and Shaq will have the same end result as Wade and Shaq or Kobe and Shaq did winning and NBA title? Or do you think those two ego's will be too much? With Cleveland's offseason moves im doubting whether the chemistry will be there for them to accomplish what they brought in Shaq, Parker, and resigned Varejau to do, Mike Brown is a good up and coming coach, but he's no Phil Jackson or Pat Reily, i don't think he can handle all of that ego
The Thunder are on the rise by 2010 they going to have a portland type situation with too much,but with alot of trade bait if they have another off year they will get good draft picks my man Sam Presti makes good decisions,so 2010 looks good for the Thunder
golden state better than okc and memphis
Curry, Wright, Randolph still have much to prove in the league
The problem with Golden State is that Don Nelson is a paper champion,he wins meaningless games,he's in the top 3 in wins as coach,but has no playoff wins except for Dallas a few years back,yeah they may have a better roster,but won't win,and in 2010 the Thunder still could a better record than the Warriors
and wasn't Detlef Schrempf there too? That Blazers team WAS really good, they just ran into Kobe and Shaq.
Back to OP, I will wager any amount of money that BJ Mullens is not a starting quality player by next season. Krstic is alright, but only if you surround him with a legit C or PF. Putting him next to a 6' 8" SF playing PF is less than ideal. If they got off their butt and signed Milsaap or David Lee and paired them with a defensive C, THEN they might have too much talent but let's wait until they get at least 1 above average big man.
Maravich you are right, That Payton pick up was terrible because Laker needed a player to guard quick point guads and that was not Payton's strength when he was younger so older it was not contest. Also Had Karl Malone not gotten hurt it could have been different. Malone was working the two man game with Bryant pefectly and got Bryant some open looks.
I actually thought that Jeff Green was 6'8" but he is actually taller than that in shoes by like a inch and he has length. He just needs to get stronger. I will say this that It would be better to have a physical 4 next to Kristic but Mullens can be a solid 5 in 1 or 2 years.
Its unfortunate Seattle lost this talent team.
The Blazers choked in the 4th qtr of Game 7 they lacked that 1 super star/leader and a better coach would've helped too. I don't think it was just running into Shaq/Kobe you don't lose in 7 that way because the other team was more talented.
Okc has some nice young players and a star in Durant they draft well and don't waste money on overhyped free agents.
10 guys that could start for most Nba teams with at least a year or two of development is a lil high. Going by that it leaves out this years picks so you have Durant, Westbrook, Green, Sefolosha, and are you including Watson, Collison, Kristic, Wilkins, Ibaka, Atkins, Weaver, White? I doubt most teams would start them they do have a bright future but with big men Kristic, Collison that won't get it done. Till then they are another team that is good on paper they won 23 games last year lets see them crack 35-40 wins first. The Warriors with Biedrins, Randoph, Turiaf are better than them, that team is stacked w/young talent as well but they have some bigs and vets as well. Too bad Nellie is running the show a better coach would get rid of excess SG's and sign some guys that play D.
on a buzzer beater by Horry? Or was that the Kings?
Another great team with great depth
Bibby/Bobby Jackson(when he was still good)
Christie/ Brent Price
keith van horn
they were deep and woulda won a championship if shaq and kobe werent around lol
but the difference between that team and OKC is how unselfish the nets were. The thunder have a lot of offensive tools and one ball might not be enough for 5 scorers (westbrook, harden, durant, green, krstic) but then again westbrook and green have proven to be unselfish players and great passers as well as quality defenders. only time will tell
Of those 5 scorers you named only Durant and myabe Westbrook (but he is a pg so he will still distribute) are ball dominant. Harden and the other two are pretty unselfish players.
harden is a scorer hes showed us that in college, westbrook is a scorer first, krstic tries to score everytime he touches the ball and green is learning to be robin to durants batman, still scores an awful lot. theyll have a good fast break team but not defense inside which as we all no wins championships
wtf is a sexy team....IF your a boy......
They have some young pieces, but gaping holes too. I think people are expecting way too much from BJ Mullens. Would anybody be surprised if he didnt pan out? Because on top of the question marks about his lack of basketball skill, work ethic, productivity, conditioning, and the fact that all he has going for him is size and good but not all that special athleticism, he is also going to the most legendary franchise in the league for ruining young centers. It wasn't the water in Seattle that was doing it, i expect the same luck in OKC as far as the 5's are concerned. IMO, you have 2 good young guards who might clash. Harden is not a fast break player, and likes the ball in his hands to score. Wont get much of that wedged in between Westbrook and Durant. They also dont have much depth anywhere or quality shooters. There professionals, just because you have starter or it wouldnt be the end of the world if you did start doesnt mean your a good starter. Krystic is an average player comming off a huge injury and hiatus in the league, who wasnt much of a defender or rebounder to begin with, plus is a very undersized and soft center with the most average player in the world, Nick Collison, backing him up. Jeff green is a 3 with decent size masquarading as a 4, if they were to trade anybody I would say its him because he is a good piece but he plays the same position as Durant, so they wont get his full value out of him. They look like a team that will be in the west playoff hunt once the league reconfigures in 2010 but I dont see a championship core.
All of you guys make some really good points. Let me push the Mullens question even further though. It was a consensus that Mullens wasn't worth a top 10 pick and turns out he wasn't picked that high, but was picked toward the end of the first round. At that point I feel confident in saying Mullens will NOT be a bust, and there is no question he has the talent to easily contribute either as a starter or a key bench player for a contender in 3 to 5 years. It's also safe to say Harden will probably average double figures as a rookie, but he has tough competion at the SG spot and will have to really earn whatever he gets. To me Serge Ibaka is the biggest question mark as far as OKC's current future. I keep hearing he has immense talent and I hope so, but all I see right now is outstanding athleticism, and not enough actual skill but he could develop with the right staff. The player I am lobbying OKC to get through next year's draft is Greg Monroe, who fits their "hyper-versatile" playing style as a passing, rebounding big man who can play the 4 or 5.