The Knicks Will Regret Their # 8th Selection of Jordan Hill
I was extremely mad when my hometown team, the New York Knicks, selected Jordan Hill, with the 8th overall pick in the 2009 NBA Draft, over Brandon Jennings. It's well aware the Knicks needed a point guard, a franchise point guard at that, so why pass on the potential of Jennings? I know they selected Toney Douglas with their other first round pick, but he doesn't have the moxy, swagger, or charisma Jennings has, that will not only make him a future All-Star, but will make him a fan favorite in New York. D'Antoni is a flat out a idiot to think Hill can materialize into the player Amare Stoudemire is, Hill will just be a hustle player, in the mold of Drew Gooden or Horace Grant. While Jennings been playing excellent in Summer League, helping his team to a 4-0 record, what has Hill or Douglas done? Nothing!!! Douglas been racking up assists, but the Knicks are still what 0-2 or 0-3..Their gonna regret not drafting Jennings
I think Hill will be better than Gooden. I image D'Antoni just didn't want to put up with Jennings' attitude....that is my best guess. I agree though the Knicks desperately need a PG. Douglas looks like he can play some minutes at PG but I don't think he is a legit true starting caliber PG like Jennings is. Overall the Knicks had a solid draft but it definitely could've been better.
all those newyork fans including yourself that got mad or booed at crazy. jordan hill is going to be an absolute stud, ESPECIALLY is Mikes system. I think they did exactly the right thing with selecting Jordan Hill
The Knicks suck. How's their first round pick from last year holding up. lol! They should have kept Isaih Thomas for scouting purposes.
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Wow i would think that they would have liked this selection
Hill will be good in this system..........NY fans were just
mad they didnt get Curry(he was like a god to them)
..........Hill will fit just Chill
Why are u still here........Devo never got drafted so you can leave now ok
It definitely wouldve been smart to pick Jennings. I thought thats who they were going to get anyway. They basically said by passing Jennings that "Toney Douglas is a better fit for our system", which isnt true. Douglas is showing more PG skill than I thought he would, but he's no Brandon Jennings. Jordan Hill as a best case scenario is like Chris Wilcox, both are athletic freaks that can score even thought they arent polished offensively. He seems like a sparkplug of intensity off the bench though from what I've seen from him. He is a great physical talent though.
King2121! lol! I've never heard of you before. Ha ha ha. Now that you've called me out for some unknown reason (again I don't know you) you're famous.
Oh, MY BAD. The JK must mean just kidding. Sorry bro. No offense.
Dhamp..the most popular user on this site. And new Hubie Brown
Knicks will also regret not drafting DeMar DeRozan. Ouch
I totally agree that the knicks are going to regret not picking up Jennings, But like Gator said I think it had to do with them being afraid to potentially be drafting a Stephon Marbury, or Steve Francis in sense of attitude which was detrimental to their careers with the Knicks
I disagree. I think Jordan Hill can be a solid 18 point-10 rebound player. Douglas is not a slouch either. We didn't need a PG, we needed a shooter/ defender. I think if we can do a sign and trade with Lee and add maybe a 1st round pick, we would be in good shape.
We will not regret on Passing DeRozan either....
Hill will just be a hustle player, in the mold of Drew Gooden or Horace Grant. While Jennings been playing excellent in Summer League, helping his team to a 4-0 record, what has Hill or Douglas done? Nothing!!! Douglas been racking up assists, but the Knicks are still what 0-2 or 0-3..Their gonna regret not drafting Jennings
Don, are your serious?!? Summer League doesn't matter.
Hill will be way better than Grant and Gooden.
Jennings has played well....in summer league. Remember Marco Bellinelli? He dropped like 35 in a summer league game and now he cant get off the pine in Golden State, Summer League means nothing.
D_Legend- yep that is exactly what I was thinking
Knicksboy- I agree about DeRozan. Knicks didn't need him. Chandler can play SG and he is better than DeRozan IMO. However, I disagree about the Knicks not needing a PG. That seems to be their biggest need now in my opinion. Duhon is a backup at best. They don't want Douglas being the starting PG either. That wouldn't lead to many wins. Douglas can play some minutes at PG when needed with no problem but lets face it...he is more of a combo guard. Who knows maybe the Knicks wise up and sign Sessions.
I also think Hill will better than Wilcox.
I'm sorry, I didnt write in the post. They did not need a PG in the Draft. We knew who were there potentially at PG in FA.
Sessions, Felton etc. I think Jennings is a great player but I think he will not be a all-star.
If we can add Ramon Sessions for the MLE (which i hate) and Tim Thomas (rumor they may add him) we could be better off.
yeah the knicks have had enough with the crazy guards. they couldnt risk getting jennings and his sorry attitude
Toney Douglas isnt a starting PG, they might as well let Duhon run the team again. Duhon is a better passer and will be able to run the offense better anyway. And you think Tim Thomas is the way yo go instead of Brandon Jennings?
I dunno. As a Knick fan I feel this is our best year to get to the playoffs and with that, I rather have a rookie PF then a rookie PG. I think if we add a PG like Andre Miller or Ramon Sessions, we could make some noise. Adding Sessions can even improve us for 2010.
I hope we add Almond as well.
Douglas is more of a PG who can get some time on the bench and learn how to run Mike D's system.
You have a rookie PG. What do you mean you'd rather have a rookie PF than a rookie PG? You couldve took Jennings and then took a PF with the pick you traded for. That wouldve been better because it seems likely were not talking about a star in Hill, were talking about a guy thats a more than likely role player off the bench. Brandon Jennings is a starter caliber PG.
Why does everyone keep mentioning 'in this system'. This is a players league, not a coaches league. In 5 years when we evaluate this draft, only thing people will look at are the all stars picked after #8 that the Knicks screwed up on.
They will NOT get a pass b/c of their coach b/c most likely Dantoni wont be there by then.
Sam Bowie fit Portland's 'system' at the time and Jordan didnt..we see how that worked out
Maybe they see amare like potential from hill.
We do have a rookie PG but Douglas wont start. Hill will come off the bench now but I'm saying this right now : he can be very good. People keep saying he would be a role player off the bench at best. I disagree with that. He will be a very solid player like a 18-10 type player. I think Jennings is a starter but that attitude....would you give him a 6 year-75 million dollar contract? People keep calling him a all-star, well we seen what hype does to some players.
Also, The Knicks just needed a backup PG to take Time from Duhon. The Knicks were last in shot-blocking for 3 years in a row
I've been defending for J. Hill in most situations, but for the record, I was rooting for us to draft B.Jennings also
He just going to be a nice role player, for years to come, no all-star games in his future
Since draft night, i've been happier about Douglas than Hill
Douglas is known as a short 2-guard, and now hes trying to prove that he can play the point, and surprisingly hes not shooting well, but 21 assist & 2 turnovers in 2 games seems like a damn good point guard to me, and he hasnt been able to score, but we all know thats what he does best...
&We should of had drafted a PG, if not Jennings maybe even Jrue..but I still dont see why we drafted a big
We have Jeffries, Curry, Harrington, Nilo, Milicic, and maybe Curry....we already had an overloaded frontcourt, filled with a bunch of untradeable players, why draft another big?
We Drafted another big because Harrington, Darko are FA's next year. Curry will be shopped this year and Jefferies is trash. Hill gives up another big man who can develop nicely.
I want our starting line to be
Who would you rather have Jordan Hill & Douglas or Jennings & Blair
This is exactly why the Knicks had a mediocre draft
"I want our starting line to be
I swear if yall were the Memphis Knicks nobody would give 2 shyts about yall. I can honestly say yall have the least promising roster in the NBA. Even Minny has Al Jefferson, OKC has Durant, yall prize possession is your city. SMH
We cannot change that now. I think the Knicks right now...are a GOOD team
s2jepeka- yeah but after the 2010 free agency the Knicks' roster is going to look a lot different
I think the line most well known or most infamous works better then most popular IMO.
"While Jennings been playing excellent in Summer League, helping his team to a 4-0 record, what has Hill or Douglas done? Nothing!!! Douglas been racking up assists, but the Knicks are still what 0-2 or 0-3..Their gonna regret not drafting Jennings."
Ha ha once again, we have another person who's jumping to conclusions based on 2-3 games of summer league. Patience bruh. It's too soon right now to make judgements.
Once Curry, Flynn and Rubio were not available, Jordan Hill was the best pick. NOBODY denies the talent of Jennings. It's that he's young, didn't play overseas and his attitude is unpredictable. The Knicks passing on Jennings is his own fault. After going through what they went through w/ Marbury, you can't blame them for passing on him. After they did, he trashed their organization and even players from the team that drafted him.
I think the Knicks are really underrated right now. I would not be shocked if we pull in a playoff bid.
that starting lineup is going to get the Knicks right back in the lottery!! i wouldn't say that j. hill will be a bust or just a role player but knickboy HE WILL NOT AVG. ANY WHERE NEAR 18pts and 10 rebs AT ANY POINT IN HIS CAREER!!! by saying that u pretty much think he is going to have a boarderline HALL OF FAME CAREER..... coming on thats crazy!!! thats t. duncan better than k. garnett numbers
i know sometimes i let the home team love blind me too but lets keep things realitic and pretend like we know something about ball
I wouldn't be shocked either but it would be as the 8th seed and because of the style of play, not the players they have. Their lineup really isn't that talented and they have no go to players. I think them winning games has a lot more to do with their coach then their players.
The Knicks are not a good team right now. Thats something everyone is willing to admit, but they may be in a few years. But as of now they arent a good team, especially if they lose Lil Nate and/or David Lee.
I would be shocked if the Knicks made the playoffs. I mean I can name 10 teams in the East that are definitely qutie a bit better than the Knicks. I say New York has no chance of a playoff appearance. The Knicks, Bucks, & Nets are the worst 3 teams in the East right now.
Whoa...18 and 10 are Duncan and Garnett numbers?!?!?!?! Go check yourself.
Not a career 18 and 10 guy. He could be in the area. You forget the Knicks have some ok players man. Maybe that starting line is crazy but the Knicks have the MLE to add another good player (maybe even Odom) you have the VM (who your using to add Tim Thomas) and Morris Almond.
Don't forget, the Knicks were in the playoff race last year until Duhon ran out of gas...
I think the Knicks have a shot at the playoffs. If they lose Lee and Nate I think they are probably lottery bound for sure but Dantoni improved that team with a rotation that changed almost every week because of all the trades Walsh made. Imagine what he can do with a set rotation for a whole year. Dantoni is a great coach and if anyone can lead that team to the playoffs he can. 2 sub .500 teams usually make the playoffs in the east as well, so I wouldn't count NY completely out yet.
Also, I think we may acutally get something for Lee
If Robinson goes to Greece, we still own his rights
I mean the Knicks aren't better than the Pacers, Bobcats, or Heat. It just happens that I think the Pacers, Bobcats, & Heat won't make the playoffs either. Knicks have no chance.
Last season no one thought the Wizards would miss the playoffs, but injuries caused them to suck..
You never know when a team will get a couple of bad injuries and start to suck..
I thought the Clippers were a potential playoff team last season, or even an 8th seed contender, but no1 expected them to suck last season, well not as bad as they did
Point is, you never know when a team can suck, and become mediocre, miss the playoffs and open a gate for another team to make the playoffs
Last season the 8th seed in the east made the playoffs with 39 wins, the Knicks had 32...
So, you cant really count ANY team out...
by lose lee and nate I mean they are not playing for the knicks next year, not necessarily lose their rights.
True, free agency will help but not as much as people think.
You cant cut off your nose to spite your face. I agree that all of the salary dumping was necessary but who will their unborn star play with? With the salary cap lowered, now they can only get 1 max player. Best bet is Amare or Bosh, cuz Wade or Bron aint comin to play with these gumps. If they were honest they would recognize they are in a long term rebuilding mode. Looking at the quality of teams that are saying forget 2010, we're getting better NOW (Orlando, Boston, Miami) Lebron and Wade would be a fool to go to NY. Mark my words, all this hype the past 3 years, they'll end up overpaying for some good (not great) player (Josh Howard), older star (Pierce, Allen), or combo of both (Redd).
Umm...People dont understand....The Cap doesnt matter with the Knicks
the current cap is 57.7 million. it will go down to about 55.8 million in 2010-2011
The Knicks have Darko (7 mill), Harrington (9 mill) and Hughes (12 mill) off the books.
We can still add 2 superstars.
When The Cap goes down, the Base Salaries go down. Former GM Billy King said that on ESPN.
Yup yup. Aren't you one of those people who always take my points for no reason?
Dhamp...the most popular user on this site. Hubie Brown dedicator.
thats not the point knickboy!!! the point is that NO ONE that is a superstar/franchise player is going to go to a team that has less talent than Memphis! the Knicks will have the money to pay two players superstar money but will they be signing two superstars VERY UNLIKELY!!!
1st off, Memphis is cheap and Rudy Gay is gone in 2010
2nd, You never answer that 18-10 are Duncan and Garnett Numbers
3rd, The Knicks attract more FA's than Memphis. Chandler is a good player who can be a good #3 option, Gallo can be a #3 option. Curry can be a #3 option. Hill and Douglas will get some good PT and then you have 5 players who have played. Adding a player like Joe Johnson and Chris Bosh to a team who has some legit options.
The reason why the Knicks are big players in 2010 is because many people around the NBA know the Knicks can add 2 good players.
some food for thought knickboy... u said u can see j. hill avg. "around" 18 pts and 10 rebs
t. duncan who everyone will acknowledge is one of the greatest big man in the history of the game and a sure Hall of Famer... Career avg of 21.4pts and 11.7 rebs 08-09 season 19.3pts and 10.7 rebs
k. garnett again one of the better big man in the game and future Hall of Famer... Career avg of 20.2 pts and 11.1 rebs
08-09 season 15.8pts and 8.5 rebs
if what u project as j.hill average numbers u would be putting him some elite company... thats all i was saying and i know ur a "numbers guy" so i figure i would put it in ur language so u can understand!! and if j. hill can avg 18pts and 10 rebs in his rookie season just imagine what his career is going to be like...lol
I never said a career 18-10 type player. I said i can see him like 18-10 type guy around that area. LOL, What if he does?
I think Hill will average like 10 points, 6 rebounds and like a block in limited time.
Knickboy we are cool and all but Horace Grant was a great power forward and player and if Hill were to match what Grant can do then the Knicks got a steal. I think Hill will be okay. You have to look at his development in college and also as he gets used to the game he should develop nicely here. If Lee and Nate sign one year qualifiers, it may not matter. The Knicks want to keep Lee but they thought someone would offer him a huge long contract that they did not want to match. That has not happened so the Knicks can wait to sign Lee long term next season after they grab a great free agent. I hope Lee does not feel slighted by what is happening now because it is not personal.
Do you guys really think Jordan Hill will be BETTER than Drew Gooden? Drew Gooden has been a double-double guy since he stepped foot into the league and is a underrated difference maker who seems to get traded like pokeman cards. But if my memory serves me correctly Drew Gooden was a better player WITH more upside than Jordan Hill coming out of college. So, how can ANY of you say Jordan Hill will be better and a STUD? LOL... Every Knicks lottery pick is a joke. Dano Gallinari? Seriously?
Just let this be known Horace Grant made it to an All-Star game... You see that in Jordan Hill's future? LOL...
And good to see you back D Hamp....
knickbooy nice way to back track...lol i dont know when 10 and 6 was around 18 and 10 hahahahaha!! its OK u can say that u drank too much of the cool aid and got alit excited watching the youtube clips and hearing the amare comparisons... nobody will hold it against u but the problem is u then say him play.. and all those thoughts went out the WINDOW!!
sheldtwon i have to agree with u that if j. hill has a career anything like h. grant that would be huge for the knicks provided that they get that franchise player anytime soon.. the knicks fans can only hope to get so lucky b/c i dont see j. hill have a career as good as h. grant who was a real warrior
tuck243- if Drew Gooden is so great then how come no teams have signed him yet. Every team he goes too he isn't even a factor. No team wants to keep him for very long.
I could care less about who had more hype coming out of college. Jordan Hill is the better player and will prove over his career.