I dont think New Orleans and Dallas are going to be locks. Dallas still doesn't have a good center and kidd is getting older by the day. New Orleasn,well odds are they trade some of their top players just to save money. CP3 is great but he won't carry a team to the playoffs. I like GS, OKC, or LAC to take the 6, 7, and/or 8th spots in the west. The top teams are starting to fall and the younger ones are moving up. In the east this is how I see it going down...
4. Washington- All the vets on their team finally play well together
5. Chicago- Rose, Salmons, Deng? Top notch backcourt, need to get boozer
6. Miami- Carried by Wade and young guys get better.
7. Toronto- Euro Domination. They've got serious talent in the front
8. Indiana- Lot's of versatile player
No ATL or Philly. Take Indy and Toronto off, they will never make it over Philly and ATL
Gatorheel... have u heard of league pass?? i've watched every team in the league numerous times obviously some more than others. the one thing u can count on with the G.S warriors on a nightly basis is to 1. not put in a solid defensive effort for 48 mins and 2. take bad shots in the 4th quarter.... and anyone that knows anything about the nba knows thats the combination of death a.k.a the lottery
the only chance i see of G.S making the playoffs is if they go out and aquire a solid pg ala a. miller who will make good decisions for this team of quick triggers and a. randolph turns into a monster that demands the ball and gets the warriors alot more high percentage shots(which is very unlikely this season)
I wanna say the Knicks have a decent chance of getting into the playoffs.
sorry iguodala but if philly doesn't sign/replace a. miller with a veteran pg philly probably will not make the playoffs again that team was lead by miller who had a c. billups like impact on that team and sorry but williams will not be able to be the teams pg and we know j. hoilday is not even close to being ready...
i do agree that atl. will be in the playoffs again next yr and why won't they... the actually got better by aquiring j. crawford who can coming in off the bench and just look to light it up for a team that has trouble scoring in the half court.
xbadger- I've been saying Golden State will make the playoffs before summer league started so that has nothing to do with it. Also the Warriors are simply better than the Clippers & Rockets.
The Jazz are no lock to make the playoffs when you really think about it. I mean they were the 8th seed last year. They may lose Milsap. They may lose Boozer without getting anything good in return.
The Hornets aren't a lock either. Chris Paul doesn't have as much help as people seem to think. I mean if Chandler &or Peja can't say healthy then this team could miss the playoffs.
Warriors are in the playoffs people. Write it down. I said it.
you've been wrong since before summer league. like i said GS plays no defense, which translates to NO PLAYOFFS.
I agree Warriors will be the 8th seed in the west.
GS has a good shot of making the playoffs. I think they can run with most teams.
Monta Ellis in year 2 of PG? Curry's shooting? Randolph? Ohhh boy.
wow!! gatorheel big prediction... but i think ur going to look but at this one and wonder what u were thinking! ur right that the hornets dont have a great supporting case but they still have enough to make the playoffs THIS yr while OKC is still not ready to make the jump and the rockets are hurting.... and thats the same reason i think the jazz make it this yr as well
and i can't agree with u that G.S is better than the Clippers or Rockets... the Clippers have the best pg of the three teams and we all know that when baron "b diddy" davis is serious/focused he is one of the better pg in the game and a big reason why the G.S warriors have fallen off. as well if the Clippers 1st round pick lives up to his potential early there is no question that this team will be battling for the last playoff spot atleast!!!
Lock it up..... the Clippers finish the 08-09 season with a better record than the Warriors (look what u make me do gatorheel... back the clippers something just feels wrong with that..)
knickboy on the wrong side of things AGAIN.. why do u think u win in the nba playing NO DEFENSE!! i guess u have to believe in that style being a Knicks fan.. thats exactly why no matter who is injured on the Rockets i will never count them out b/c they are hard a hard nose team that is not going to take foolish shots and are going to battle for 48 mins.. can u really say the same thing about the Warriors??
Aight deshawynkey91.... that is a bet. The Warriors are better than the Clippers. I will show you why.
Those depth charts may be a little off...I'm just guessing. OK I agree that Baron Davis gives the Clippers an advantage over Golden State. An experienced PG is important. At SG I feel Gordon & Ellis are even at this point but the Warriors have much better depth. At SF Jackson has an edge over Thornton. Warriors have better depth at this position as well. Thornton is overrated. Randolph & Griffin is a pretty even matchup. I would rather have Randolph though because he is taller, more versatile, more experienced, and a better defender. The depth is pretty even Wright & Jordan cancel each other out. They both have a lot of potential. At Center you have to say Biedrins is quite a bit better than Kaman. So basically the only advantage the Clippers has is at PG which is why the Warriors will have a better record and make the playoffs. We shall see.
the suns didnt play anything resembling defense when they had great teams for 3-4 years and they were always in the conversation for winning the NBA title. Now I don't think GS will win a title but they do have a great shot to be a playoff team. They have a great young rotation and they can plain outscore over half the teams in the league.
first.... ckowalski the suns were in the conversation but they had one of the smartness pg in the league(who couldn't defend other pg) and sorry G.S doesn't.... along with the fact they had players that were 4/5 years plus into there career
now to u Gatorheel....
i'm going to base most of the agrument on the starting lineups b/c the clippers still have moves to make to fill up there lineup (maybe acquiring a. iverson.. who i'm not a big fan of )
yes the clippers have a huge advantage at point the most important position on the floor and the weakiest position that the warrior have.. and everyone knows that if u can't stop the lead guard from dont what they want ur team is going to be in trouble... eg for how great s. nash was/is the fact he could never stop t. parker is the reason the suns could never take the next step Advantage= Clippers
i will agree with u that at the two its a wash between e. gordon and m. ellis both good scorers and not much on the other end. at the sf position the good s."action" jackson gives the warriors a vet with experience and the edge but just as easy he can shoot u out of games and stunt a guy like a. randolph development. like u i'm not very be on a. thornton but he is an good athlete and growing player. Advantage = Warriors
as for the pf position right now i'd rather have b. griffin who is physically ready to play in the nba and will have an impact one way or another on this yrs clippers team even if just as an "energy guy" but if he lives up to want ppl think he can be a double double guy this team can be strong. i see ur point about rather having a. randolph for the long haul.. sorry but he is not ready to impose his will on the strength of real nba players yet! Advantage(this yr)= Clippers
and at Center m. camby is clearly better than a. biedrins.. ur talking about one of the best shot blockers in the league in camby and if we go into the depth chart of kaman and turiaf to me thats a wash. Advantage = Clippers
and ur right we shall see!!!
To back up my post before...Philly has been said to be looking to shed salary cap by getting rid of Dalembert and Miller. With out those two they are very weak. Iguodala is good but besides from him there's not enough talent. Atlanta well that's just my gut feeling that something is going wrond down there and something bad will happen this season. But hey, I've been wrong before...
I give the edge to Toronto based on the starters
I cannot see Toronto in the Playoffs..lack of depth.
I don't know. I really like that team. I think Hedo and Calderon match eachother well and will create ample opportunities for Barg and Bosh to score. Derozan is a guy that doesn't really need the ball to be effective and can be a great defender for the team. They should work on their depth though...
What does experience have to do with it? It doesn't take someone 4 or 5 years to figure out how to shoot the ball. Also, I never said GS would win a title, ever. I said they had a good shot to be a playoff team. They have a good rotation with Jackson, Ellis, Maggette, Biedrins, Curry, Randolph, Turiaf, among others. It's not like they are fielding a team of rookies, GS has a good amount of experience also. Ellis is no Nash but the thread is not about winning a title it is about making the playoffs. GS had a lot of injuries last year and barring another major injury should be a threat to contend for a playoff spot easily. There are a lot of similarities between the Phoenix teams and GS. Phoenix had defenders (Marion, Bell, Diaw) but were not known as a defensive team. So does GS (Turiaf, Randolph, Biedrins, even Jackson). Both teams were loaded with shooters and both could get out and run. Both had versatile bigs. I don't think you can count them out in the West with teams simply not doing anything (Hornets), ravaged by injuries (Houston), or losing key pieces (Utah). GS added arguably the best shooter in the draft and should be getting back a better Ellis, Jackson and Maggette from injuries.
deshawynkeys91- I would like to know how you can say Camby is clearly better than Biedrins?
The first line of the depth chart says it all... Stephen Curry starting at PG? and you think they have a chance to make the playoffs? you have to be &$#%#&@! me. the kid is struggling to run the show in summer league~ what makes you think he'll be able to do it against NBA PGs every night?
I'm not writing Stephen off for his career, but he's not a playoff caliber PG right now. Curry and Ellis have no shot of locking up Baron Davis and Eric Gordon. end of story
I think Curry is leading pretty well in summer league actually. I mean the Warriors have won 3 games and only lost 1 with Curry running the show. He hasn't shot well but he is playing PG pretty good. I mean he is averaging 20pts 5reb 5ast 3steals. The Warriors don't have to start him at PG. When the Warriors make the playoffs...i would love to hear what you have to say then. Yall can have the Clippers. I'll take Golden State over them anyday. Warriors clearly have more talent.
u like to know why i say camby is better?? Watching them play over there careers!! not to say biedrins is a bad player but i'm sorry i can't sit here and say that biedrins is better or as good as camby.. thats not going to happen.
ckowalski... experience has alot to do with making the playoffs and advancing in the playoffs and if u think that the warriors starting back court of ellis and curry is going to make the playoffs ur crazy... and experience does have something to do with shooting.... when and where to take ur shot that is one of the things that separates the good players from the great ones!
deshawynkeys91....u need to your research. Biedrins is more efficient than Camby.
I could care less about over their careers. I'm talking about right now.
I would think Ellis would start at point and Maggette would play SG with Curry coming off the bench at least to start the game. Ellis and Curry could play together if they want a smaller lineup, not sure how effective it would be since we haven't seen it happen yet. I think Curry will have an easier time getting his shot off in the NBA as opposed to Blake Griffin being able to manhandle opposing PFs. The Clippers have talent but I can't see them as a playoff team. They just dont know how to put it all together.
Experience is overrated. Look at Portland last year. Very young team that put all its talent together and made the playoffs. Even look at Orlando. Barely any playoff experience any they made it to the finals. Celtics didn't have a whole lot of playoff experience, Ray and Garnett only ever made it to the Conference Finals once and both lost. You could argue the most experienced man on that roster was James Posey when they won their championship. Even the Lakers in the finals against the Celtics. TONS of experience and still got blasted by 40 to seal it.
gatorheel u need to watch more games... for most part u have a good grip on whats going on in the league but for some reason u falling for the "s. marion fools gold" with a. biedrins.... yes he has a high fg% b/c he cant do anything but dunk/lay ups he is a terrible ft shooter and the reb numbers have been inflated b/c of the style that the Warriors play (shoot everything from everywhere at anytime) and he is the only big on the court when he is playing i see him very much in the same light as d. lee.... on a bad team that plays and up and down with no regard to shot selection or making winning decisions.
deshawynkeys91- You have no proof to say Camby is clearly better than Biedrins.... the #s don't lie. Yes Camby is a good shot blocker but so is Turiaf. Once again son u need to do your research. I watch plenty of games. I would take A Randolph over Griffin anyday also. Warriors have better talent dude...I mean it isn't that hard to see.
getting double digit rebounding consistently is difficult it doesn't matter what your style of play is. There are plenty of talented big men that dont average a double double.
gatorheel u keep talking about proof... but than u say a. randolph is better than b. griffin what proof do u have of that?? there nba career? NO there college career? NO... so what proof do u have to explain that? and numbera tell part of the story not the WHOLE story b/c if that was the case z. randolph would be one of the best players in the game... so dont tell me numbers dont lie!!
I can't wait for this season to start thats all I have to say.
knicksarent the worst team but im 100% sure they wont make it
i was right about the knicks, warriors, flynn, everything. Apologies not needed. am i a phsycic? maybe
Well, the jury is still out on Rubio, and though you were right about most of the stuff, I am glad to say you were wrong about the Kings. :)
u were right. We were wrong...now you can logout.
there you go. dissing someone.
I think the Kings could make the playoffs in the west.
There are 5 teams that I believe have the potential right now to make the final 2 playoff spots in the west this season:
It is so early in the season that I do not think it can be narrowed down anymore than that, all of those teams have showed that they have what it takes to pull their act together when they need to, and I honestly do not see a reason as to why any one of them cannot improve their game enough to grab one of the last two spots.
Its crazy that anyone would believe the knicks have a chance of making the playoffs they are a bad team one of the worst and they only have 3 wins no way they come close to the playoffs. there are way too many knicks fans on this site that are not being realistic.
ryan got everything right and you guys cant even apologize to him?
ryan got everything right and you guys cant even apologize to him?
Don't bump old threads.
Yea he was definitely right lol.
GS better than the Rockets....Swallowing words now. Also, I said Philly would be in the playoffs. Ha!
New Orleans is a lock for the playoffs. The Warriors will get the 8th spot. Jason Kidd is getting older and don't have a Center. Atlanta not making the playoffs. So much wisdom in one thread!