1). OJ is not udersized as a SG. OJ is 6'5, Kobe is an inch taller, Wade is 6'4, Ray Allen is 6'5, Gilbert is 6'4, and etc...Besides, he weighs 210, perfect strength and size for a guard.
2). OJ is a good defensive player. ESPN puts OJ in all-rookie defensive 1st team. Westbrook did not even make it according to ESPN.
3). OJ is a good passer, he did a good job as a PG after Lowry got traded.
4). Just bc he is a shoot first guard, does not mean he is no good. He is mainly a SG anyways, so why does it matter if he shoots as many as Kobe.
5). No rookie in the past 10 years have been more effective than OJ in terms of total pts, 3-pt FG%, and free throw FG%...
Just a fun fact: he scored 30 on the ACT, the highest test scorer in the NBA right now.
he had a 29 on the ACT, He is 6'4..one of my favorite players will be great, just not as good as Kobe.
shouldn't be quoted for anything... they've got some of the dumbest analysts in the world. No one should take everything that ESPN puts out as fact.
Westbrook not being the best defensive rookie point is a joke. Straight up.
I don't know about the next Kobe though... Those shoes are pretty hard to fill.
good player, i really like him, but he's only 6'3.5 (kobe is 6'4.75 apparently) and he doesnt have the explosive athleticism that Kobe had when he came into the league. actually Kobe is still more athletic into his 30s. O.J. can be a diet Kobe or a Kobe Light if you will. calling him the next Kobe is extremely high praise. that means you believe he'll be one of the top 2 or 3 players in the league in the near future. are you sure he's that good?
I think OJ will aproach the game like Kobe but lacks Kobe's Athleticism. Also there as some many talent players to come out these past year that I believe the closer thing to copy as far as being unstopable and hard to guard on the perimeter is doing to be Durant but thing is he is more like T Mac just not as lazy. Sorry TMac but it's the truth.
in response to #5: he has lower 3pt shooting % than gordon and morrow and others...
I don't even think he'll be as good as T-mac. Maybe I'm getting old but the T-mac that I remember would have schooled Mayo.
OJ will not be thenext kobe. at best oj will be a dwayne wade type player but kobe he is not.
I dont think OJ is athletic enough to be on Kobe or DWades level. I see him at his prime a step below that level.
agreed, he doesnt have the athleticism to match kobe, t-mac, or d wade. maybe he can be Joe Dumars? good defender, can run point, pass, and score, but not a super explosive athlete.
I said Durant would be like T-Mac. You have to read the whole thing. OJ will be a great player but not on a Kobe or Wade level unless he learn to be a Redd or Allen type shooter. That would help him make up for what he lacks. Durant is the real deal. His second year stats are ridiculous and he played in college but came in a the age of a high schooler. He could potentially grow another inch be like 6'10" 6'11". that dude is scary
I don't think Kobe or Wade are within his reach. He just isn't quick enough off the dribble.
OJ recorded a 41 inch vertical, and he is a better 3-pt shooter than Kobe,
because Kobe has never shot over 38% for 3's,
so OJ will be able to make up with his 'tinny' disadvantage of athleticism with 3 pointers.
oj mayo's athleticism is like brandon roy's it's there but because he's such a smooth player you barely ever see it, you just get a highlight every once in a while
OJ probably shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Kobe or Dwyane Wade.
To put it very simply, he doesn't have Kobe's scoring ability or Wade's ability to make his team better. If he improves at a steady pace for the next 3-4 years, then we can talk.
I'd say best-case scenario, it's possible he could develop into a Chauncey Billups type of player....best-case.
sure he had a 41 inch running vert which is great, but his actual vert was only 30.5' which is only decent. the difference between he and kobe isnt tiny. he never plays above the rim, and i cant remember ever seeing him throw down in traffic. his first step isnt what it needs to be to reach kobe status. but then again i dont watch a lot of grizz games.
oj will never be a chauncey billups type, he will be the next adrian dantley
I dont think Mayo is a true number option, I mean he could be but I dont think that team would finals candidates. Greta number 2 option.
So you are saying that Mayo is up in the Jordan level? Because thats where Kobe is right now. You have to be one of the most retarded guys on this site. And the only reason he probably got first team d is because there is no other good shooting guards other than Gordon that could get the award.
How high you can jump can be misleading. Ellis tested out as the worst athlete and those who have seen him play knows he is a super quick, super athletic player. Mayo can jump high running and jumping. Most Nba players are at least good athletes but some players have an easier time getting up in the air and can stay there longer and also some are like Wade super quick and explosive. Mayo does not have this and also he arms are not that long for his height. Kobe can get up and has long arms. I can see Mayo being a Roy type player though with better defense. Not saying Roy doesnt D it up but Mayo is a beast on D. We will see next year when he works on his weaknesses if he can truly get on that level and maybe he will. Some players have actually improve their athleticism in the NBA. Mayo is close enough that is he trained and gain a little more explosiveness maybe he could be mentioned with greats by he will not be an MJ. Kobe the closer thing to MJ could not stop Jordan in his prime. Jordan was like at taller AI. I saw old footage and saw that not only could he fly but he was super quick too. Think about it his brother was 5'9 and dunking and MJ grew to be like 6'4" or something with the same Ability. That is like Nate Robinson and then he grows 7 inches and keeps his ups. that is retarded.
I see wayyyyyy to much love for OJ Mayo on these boards. No talk of the REAL stars of the draft class (Derrick Rose, Eric Gordon)
Mayo slowed down all year, he does NOT help out the people around him. Have you guys actually watched him play? The two "stars" for the Grizzlies play like oil and fcking water together, Mayo and Gay suck as teammates, its the truth, Mike Conelys development is the best thing thats happened to Memphis. OJ Mayo is going to be up good to great numbers on bad teams his while life because he has ZERO chemistry with anyone.
Mayo and Gay have no choice, because the grizzlies have almost no supporting cast.
That Conley Jr. gets 4 assists a game in 30 minutes, simply put, he was a draft bust.
Marc would be a bench play in most teams.
A bad team like Memphis has to feed Mayo the ball all the time, and how does Mayo respond when teams double team or triple team him? He still averaged 18.5 pts a game.
He is a pure tallent, and Eric is no match for him at all.
You know nothing about basketball, Conely has developed and is going to be an incredibly solid point guard in the league. He's got quickness, balance, a three point shot and above average D. He just broke out the second half of this season.
I won't get into Gordon vs. Mayo here, but Gordon is at least on par with Mayo. OJ cannot create his own shot or shots for others like Gordon can(and thats not saying Gordon is a better passer). Mayo is a jump shooter with a silky smooth J. Gordon is a slasher with a silky smooth J. Gordon gets to the rim and gets fouled (and makes his free throws at a great rate). He's a better three point shooter and just all around player. Mayo is like Gilbert Arenas which is great...but I know I don't want Arenas on my team (the old Arenas, since I'm hearing he has changed some since his injury)
I agree with Why about Conley I have watched him play a few times and he looks solid. Its only his second season and he seems to have developed nicely from his rookie year.
Conley is on point, people forget it take Point guards and Centers longer to develop in the NBA. Conley is looking better than Felton did as a Second year player and look at Felton now.
Takes a few bad shots (like everyone else in the league) but a bad teammate NO!!! What have you been watching "WHY"? I've watched OJ pass up the ball when it was obvious he was the best option on the floor for the Grizzlies... Who else going to score on that team? Rudy is a decent go to scorer and Marc Gasol would be a garbage man on a great team... Who is going to shoulder the load?
Alphamale... I dont know where this running vert is from but regardless he had a 41" beating out the athletic freaks Gordon, Rose, and Beasley... They did the same vert and came up short... It's impressive to me!!! Especially since he's 6'4 and normally players that small are running to dunk...
And Sheltwon... Ellis was injured during his draft testing, that's why his numbers were horrible... So that's not a great argument...
the running vert or max vert i got from the predraft measurements. his actual vert (standing combine style) was 30.5'. Gordon and Rose outperformed him in every athletic test (standing vert, 3/4 sprint, lane agility & even bench press) except for the running vert where they had 40' to Mayos 41'. it doesnt make any difference really. i was just trying to say that you cant take one test that he was good at and say that makes him a Kobe level athlete or even just a tick below. he's doesnt have elite athleticism and he never will even though he jumps high when he's running and there's no one around him. lol for the record Jordan Farmar got a 42' on that test despite the size of his ears.
Not just me, people have already drawn comparisions.
I would agree... LOL...
But OJ will be fine. I feel that the Kobe comparison isn't that far off tho... He is the "smoothest" player in this years draft... Remeniscent of a Kobe... Would we all agree? I really feel the vert is overrated... (although he doesn't have a quick first step) You don't need to dunk on people to be considered Kobe... You can count on 2 hands how many people Kobe actually dunked on in his 13 years as a pro... OJ already has one!!! LOL... He might have to work a bit harder to get to the whole but that's it... Don't see how its that far off... he already completed a better rookie year...
I had the priviledge to attend the same high school as OJ n Bill... I remember when I first saw the 6'3 OJ as an eighth grader playing for the Greyhounds AAU team... The first thing I said was KOBE... Bill did some INCREDIBLE things that game but OJ was by far the best in the building... His favorite ball player is Kobe, so why wouldn't he patten his game after him? I feel like everyone is hating...
Throw the explosiveness and size out the window.... Looking at his game... The people who said NO... You dont think KOBE when you see his game?
shouldn't been selected that high... But if you go look at that draft again and say who else should? He has improved from last year to this year... He couldn't hit a 3 point shot to save his life last year, he is cashing them in now... That's a huge improvement to me... Not for you I guess... LOL... I feel like he will come around and be solid.... A great player like consistent all-star? No... A solid PG with a good career? Yes!!! But by far not a bust... (yet)... The best PG in that draft....
The best PG in the draft, ending up to get fewer votes than PG such as Rodney Stukey, Aaron Brook, and Ramon Sessions for the rookie/sophomore game??
Thadeuus Young for 4th pick? yeah?
Wilson Chandler? Spencer Hawes ? Big Al? 50-cent Jr.? Landry ? etc?
After Conley improved his stat averages after the All-star game, the Grizzilies comparetively lost more games.
i think OJ will be more of a Brandon ROY JOE JOHNSON TYPE OF PLAYER
This is to Tuck243, I never made an argument about why Ellis did poorly in the athletic tests I don't keep track of that and to be honest compare to the Carters and other elite athlete, Kobe is above average but his game is just so smooth that everything looks better and he has long arms. There are more factors than jumping high that determines your athleticism in the NBA. If you watch a player play you can tell the elite athletes and the player that are average. OJ Mayo can jump high but at lot of the other athletic skills he lacks. I even said in my post there are some things you can actually work at getting and that may take him to a Kobe level but the thing is Vince and other elite athletes are just gifted. I am not knocking OJ Mayo but he has the pose of Kobe but he does not move like the early years Kobe at all.
OJ Mayo can never get to that Kobe level, I mean Kobe is arguably one of the top 5 shooting guards off all time. I dont think Mayo will ever reach that level. He needs at least 1 mvp, 1 championship, and a few all NBA defensive team to even begin the conversation. And if OJ is the next Kobe, what about Eric Gordon he is close to Oj's Level and how about Durant is he the next Jordan?
The thing with Eric Gordon is that he'll always be a SG, which limits him.
Eric has a ceiling, but OJ has entrusted into playing point, and he is said to be a good passer,
unlike Gordon, who is only a shooting specialist.
The extra assits that OJ gets over Gordon in the future will matter a lot suppose that Eric gets really good to score as many as OJ does.
So much over-hyping. Its easy to do when you follow these players since high-school and you probably haven't wish Kobe or Jordan and such. OJ will never come close to Kobe, let's be honest. The only reason you have to believe this is because OJ was hyped as such since grade-school. He did not step in like a LeBron or Dwight Howard and give his team 15-20+ more wins.
I don't want to come off like I don't like OJ Mayo because I do. He's got alot of talent and a desire to win, but instead of putting him in a Kobe category I'll say he will be like a Gilbert Arenas at best (which is very, very good). He isn't the kind of guy to win championships, in my opinion because he's a 2nd option kinda guy who has to be the first.
I dont OJ Mayo is a point guard maybe a off guard than can play point at times but a full time point guard??? And I thought Conely plays point for the Grizzles and its only his second year and he is turning into to be a capable point guard.
Why do you have a prospect as your screen name? But back to what you said about Conley...
Brooks is a role player on a playoff team... Do you think Conley wouldn't have that much of a (minimal) impact as Brooks? Aaron Brooks is not better than Conley... Sessions is solid but more of a back-up than a starter... So that's negated... And Stuckey has a lot of holes in his game as a PG... Not a true PG (and honestly mite not be a franchise player)... And them going to the Soph/Fresh game don't mean anything!!! LOL... They were losing until KD took over!!! Westbrook out played all of them...
The big Al? Huh? Are you talking about Al Hortford? The guy that was taken ahead of Conley? LOL... You might can argue T. Young BUT they have Rudy Gay!!! Wilson Chandler plays for Mikey D, who makes everyone look good... Hawes is either shooting 3's or injured... Never in the paint... And Carl Landry? You can't be serious...
AND LOL to the losing more games when his stats increased... They are a Horrible team... For 2 you dont know what you are talking about because his stats increased a month before the all-star game... I can say he's 5-2 when he scores 20+ points... So, what does that mean? NOTHING but he's improving... He increased his 3% by 7 percent and his free throw by 8 percent.... Thats showing signs of being a bust??
You shouldn't ever say "never" (and hate) because that's a strong word... Saying he's the next Kobe is kinda HYPING it, but comparisons can be made... If all his moves are Kobe-ess... Why wouldn't you say he has a chance to be like Kobe? Don't understand saying NEVER tho....
Your right never say never... But im not hating because I dont believe OJ Mayo will be a hall of fame top 5 shooting guard. I dont think his moves are "Kobe-ess". Kobe moves are Jordan-ess so Mayo has Jordan-ess moves I dont get it.Thanks for the correction, Im 99% sure OJ Mayo will NOT be on Kobe Bryants level...
Jpostaboy where on gods green earth did you get that comparison? Please say that was a joke......that's like saying D. Rose will be the next James Worthy. Apples and Oranges dude. I do like the Joe Dumars comparison though.
what did I say !!!
Mayo was voted by experts for 2nd place in ROY voting. Gordon is like 5th.
mayo started from day 1. gordon did not. you know that.
and true skills are also shown from day 1 playing.
Yes, Mobley was starting when season started, but that was because Gordon struggled at the beginning.
I love Mayo's game and I even like Mayo. However, comparing him to Kobe is the DUMBEST thing you could do. Seriously, their is no comparison. Whoever posted he's closer to Gilbert, I believe that is fair and potentially accurate. Fact is, ATHLETICISM does matter, if it doesn't, then why does team after team take the chance of drafting so many raw players. Kobe, Wade, & LeBron all have that special athleticism, but most importantly they all have a DRIVE that goes with that ability. Thats why they are who they are. Nothing wrong with a Gilbert comparison, before injury problems, dude was nasty.
Just let you guys know,
OJ was unanimous selection for All-Rookie 1st team. The other guy was Derrick Rose.
The next Kobe is on his way...
i like you, but thats crazy talk! lol
have you seen adrian dantley play, they play like mirror images, same size and everything
gordon can pass well. the mayo hype is ridiculous. Hey Aminu: does the fact that kobe is a 2 guard and does not play the one usually (as much as EJ does) make him have a lower ceiling then mayo? the pg arguement is ridiculous. Gordon can do MUCH MORE than just score.
I am not suprised that a Clippers fan is arguing for Eric Gordon...
But dogg !!! are you Clippers Darrell ????
We will see in time if Mayo will be as good as Kobe. I don't think so but I've been wrong before. Hook Mayo up with Shaq back in the day and I'm sure would win at least one championship.