Wear brothers transferring from UNC
Should hear something today about this. from the UNC atheltic department.
Freshman basketball forwards David and Travis Wear - McDonald's All-Americas and Best in the West selections as seniors at Mater Dei High - will not be returning to the University of North Carolina, their father told the Press-Telegram tonight.
Dave Wear said he discussed the decision with Tar Heels' coach Roy Williams earlier in the evening by telephone and that he hoped that his sons would be released from their scholarship agreements with the school ``as early as Thursday".
Wear wouldn't offer any details as to why the players (who took their last spring semester finals today) were making the move other than to say ``they decided they didn't want to return to North Carolina.
``When they return home (in Huntington Beach) we will sit down as a family and review their basketball and academic options,'' he said.
The twins were among the country's most heavily recruited prospects in the class of 2009 and were sought after by a multitude of schools - UCLA and Arizona were believed to be among their finalists - before they committed to the Tar Heels in the spring of their junior years at Mater Dei. They signed national letters of intent in November of their senior seasons.
Travis Wear played in 32 games for the Tar Heels this past season, averaging 10.3 minutes, 3.5 points and 2.2 rebounds per game.
His brother played in 27 games - missing the final five games because of a hip injury that required surgery in early March - while averaging 10.5 minutes, 2.9 points and 1.7 rebounds per game.
They wanted playing time. When UCLA and UA recruited the Wears out of HS they both reportedly told them they saw them as 4's who might even play some 5. The dad made it clear he saw his sons as being able to play together one at the 4, one at the 3, and apparently Roy Williams convinced him that could happen at UNC. So they spent the season both playing backup minutes at the 4, UNC brings in Harrison Barnes at the 3, and predictably they transfer. Im pretty sure the next school they choose will be on the west coast
Matre Dei is pumping out some good talent. Those two came from the 2009 class. This years class has 3 matre dei guys who are ranked top 100 going to cal, ucla, and arizona state respectively. I saw them play when they won the california souther section championship.
The Wear brothers are decent college players who were over hyped in high school because they're white, plus the fact they're twins. Neither one has much NBA potential but they could turn out to be very good college players.
They're making a smart move because they will probably never receive significant playing time at NC. They obviously made a poor college choice and now they want to rectify their mistake. Hopefully they'll go to a mid major school like Butler where they can be featured players.
Please come to WVU... We have a need at both of those positions. We seem to be okay 4/5 with Jones and Kilicli but beyond that we dont have a backup and we dont have a 3.. We could start 3 forwards with Wear, Wear, and Jones with Kilicli coming off the bench... Arent they both like 7' tall?? Size is something that we need in WV... Huggins will give them the best shot at going to the NBA.. Think about it.........
naw they are somewhere between 6'8 and 6'10
They would've given UNC quality depth, but they would've had a hard time emerging as more than bench players with Tyler Zeller and John Henson on the frontline. The transfer is not a bad idea. I see both transferring to a Pac-10 school, and having a very solid 2 year career whereever they land
since when are all the white players over hyped. I'm pretty sure white players are hated on and thought of as &$#%#&@! defensive players.
How old are you Leppy? If you go back over the history of basketball the past 25 or 30 years when black players started dominating the game, you will see a pattern of sports writers and broadcasters over hyping white players. It's human nature. The NBA is about 80% black so many people want to see more white players succeed, especially as stars. It's essentially rooting for the underdog.
Although it's gotten better, every year it seems as if I have to endure watching one more white prospects being over hyped. It never seems to end. I could make this list 2 or 3 pages long, but here are a few of many examples that come to mind this morning.
* When Luke Walton was a senior at Arizona he was hyped as the national player of the year. He wasn't even the best player on his team. Are you kidding?
* For almost 2 years, Andrew Ogilivy was listed in the top 20 of the first round on NBADraft.net and other mock drafts. Ogilvy is barely a long shot at making it in the NBA.
* Last spring I had to endure endless threads on BJ Mullens when he signed up for the draft as a freshman at Ohio State. He was a terrible college player. And the year before that we had to listen to comments about Kosta Koufas, another Ohio State stiff.
* When Chris Mihm played at Texas, he was described as the best big man in the country. How could that possibly happen? Last year there was a white forward on the Texas roster named Connor Atchley. Even though he scored about 3 ppg and had only 3 or 4 rpg, he was discussed on this website as a possible first rounder. Why?
* Goran Suton, the center from Michigan State's team last year was talked about far too often on this and other websites as an NBA prospect. Where is he today?
* If you go back in time you will see countless threads on NBADraft.net on Kyle Singler and/or Jon Scheyer. I like both of them as college players but the number of threads on them must be well over a hundred, primarily because they're white.
As I mentioned before, the list goes on and on. The Wear brothers were victims of that hype as high school seniors. I saw them play in high school and kept asking myself what anybody saw in them to possibly think they merited consideration for being the best of their class.
Don't get me wrong they probably were over-hyped but they did do very well at a high profile high school and the only reason u can notice it more is because when there is a black player that is over hyped you may not notice it since there are a lot more that are highly ranked. Now i am a UCLA fan and i was so excited about the 2008 class when it was Holiday, Lee, Anderson, Gordon, and Morgan. Morgan was ranked as like the 2nd or 3rd best center and he has been a complete bust. Anderson and Gordon probably wont make the NBA Holiday and Lee are the only ones that seserved the hype they recived. When it comes to big men they are almost always over hyped since they dont ever reach their potential all they have is size and Kwame Brown is the best example of that and on the other hand Bynum is a good example of what can happen.
eliteballer, you made some good points. However, think about the endless threads here on BJ Mullens, Kyle Singler, and Jon Scheyer, just to name a few. I would bet a ton of money that if they were black, the numbers of threads on them would have been cut by 2/3.
how about they play for a national champion duke. no players get hyped more outta of college than the black ones. I never hear anybody raving about white players being the next big thing. Most of the time i hear black players are one and done are a top 10 draft pick. there is def more black players so when one doesnt live up to hype they got a couple more who have lived up to it. sure some white players are over hyped but name one high school senior who was suppose to be a big thing in the nba. People who talk about b.j. mullins can't honestly be like he is going to dominate the pro's
I agree that white players are wanted to succeed more in the NBA.. Just like I feel black QB's in the NFL are wanted to succeed more..
Like you said it is human nature, and a lot of NBA fans are white-- Regardless of whether you would consider them 'racist' or not they are going to root for some white players since their are so few.
I think you're taking it to the extreme in this case. Scheyer got talked about but I wouldn't say he was over-hyped. He was not on any mock drafts and people were wondering about whether or not he should get drafted--I think it was fair conversation. Remember conversation and hype are two different things.
And also Singler was a player who noone know if he would come out and there was a wide variety of where people thought he would go which makes for good forum discussion. Part of the reason he was discussed so much is becaue people say he's white and therefore unathletic <--Which I think is the big reason he's discussed so much. Hyped up somewhat, but not to a very large extent just like Scheyer their are varying opinions on him which make him interesting.
About Oglivy, he is as a 7' that put up 17 ppg his freshman yr of college. Everyone's always look for Centers--Unfortunately he Degressed rather than progressed. I can make more of a case for wondering why Dexter Pittman was in the top 10 rather than Oglivy who looked like he would be really good early on in his career.
You made some interesting points but I disagree with some of them.
* I don't consider someone a racist because they want to see more white players succeed in the NBA. If the league was 80% white, I'm sure many people would be rooting for more black players to succeed. Your example of black quarterbacks in the NFL was a good one. In the end, as I stated above, it's simply Human Nature, almost like rooting for the underdog.
* I think both Scheyer and Singler are excellent college players. I like and admire both of them. However, in my opinion, the number of threads on them are way out of proportion . And just like the ton of BJ Mullens threads we endured last spring, I think a significant factor in that large number is the fact that they're white. I would bet money the number of threads on them would be cut in half if they were black.
* I watched Ogilvy play as a freshman, sophomore, and junior and he was terrible every time I saw him. For the life of me Spencer, I couldn't understand what anyone saw in the guy. If you watched him get destroyed this past season by the big freshman center from Kentucky, that was a typical game for him. I could only conclude he was being hyped as a top 20 candidate because of his race.
* And what about BJ Mullens? He was the most over hyped player I've seen in years. After reading so much about him I was really excited to watch him play at Ohio State. Was I disappointed! The young man wasn't bad, he was atrocious. But the number of threads and hype just kept growing.
And Spencer, you left out my comments on Luke Walton being a National Player of the Year Candidate and the comments I made on Connor Atchley, Goran Suton, and Chris Mihm. If I had the time, and if it were important, I'm sure I could come up with even more names.
rtbt, you don't know what anyone saw in a guy who was SEC freshman of the year, dominated the FIBA U19 championships, 2nd team All-Conference as a sophomore and junior, and made the Aussie national team at the age of 20. You watch one game and come to a broad brush conclusion as opposed to actually watching or following the full body of work. Do you really want to gauge every big man and how he fared against DeMarcus Cousins, because if you do there won't be another big man who faced UK last year who gets drafted. Just ignore the fact that he has been able to score in the post, play through contact, get to the line, and hit his free throws. Brilliant. It is nothing short of stunning that you and the Hawes fan are displaying mensa-level discourse on race and sport.
And by the way, we already went through this Luke Walton as POY candidate. He was coming off a season where he averaged 16-7-6 at Arizona. Any returning player at Arizona who is coming off a season with those numbers is going to be a POY candidate. Guess what, Kyle Singler is going to be a POY candidate next year. He probably won't be the best player on Duke next year, but he will be the senior with the resume. Seniors get pre-season honors, freshmen and sophomores get them at the end. This isn't a new phenomena.
BothTeamsPlayedHard, I don't mind you disagreeing with me, after all, that's the purpose of websites like this. But please read what I wrote before criticizing me. I clearly stated that I watched Ogilvy as a freshman, sophomore, and junior and couldn't understand what people saw in him. Every time I watched him play he was a huge disappointment. I was not basing my opinion on only one game, that wouldn't be fair to anyone.
And just like my experience watching BJ Mullens, I wanted to see an Andrew Ogilvy who was everything I read and heard. Unfortunately I watched a guy who didn't rebound, didn't play any defense, and never showed up in big games. I think many of his points were scored in less meaningful games. Stats can be deceiving. If he scored 28 points against Chump University and then only 6 points against Kentucky, that's an average of 17 ppg which sounds pretty good until you delve a little deeper.
Every time I watched Ogilvy it was on national TV and I never once saw him play a good game. BothTeamsPlayedHard, I used the Kentucky game as only one example of a typical Andrew Ogilvy performance. He wasn't outplayed by D. Cousins, he was destroyed. There's a big difference between being outplayed and humiliated.
As for Luke Walton, you made a good argument but I disagree with you. The strongest aspect of his game was passing. He was never a guy with star potential which is what a National Player of the Year should be.
As for Kyle Singler, I think he definitely merits consideration as next year's player of the year. He's much better than Luke Walton and he's earned it.
I don't have anything against these guys, I just want to see the hype measured up to the reality.
Ogilvy was listed as a prime first round draft choice on this website for over 2 years before they finally figured out he wasn't a viable NBA prospect. He is a good college center, but he isn't a future NBA player.
Here's another draft pundit's assessment of Ogilvy from a different website
Coming off a promising freshman season and a non-descript sophomore season, Andrew Ogilvy is once again drifting along at Vanderbilt, being essentially the same player that walked onto campus three seasons ago. Ogilvy’s production and efficiency have both actually dropped slightly in each of the past two seasons, as his playing time continues to go down each year for reasons that are difficult to explain when looking at his gaudy per-minute production.
rtbt, Im not disagreeing with anything you are saying or anything, but I think you are mistaken about Luke Walton being discussed for national player of the year. I dont remember people discussing it that much personally, so i looked up the 2002 and 2003 all american award winners and runners up from the top 4 sources(Associated Press, Sporting News, USBWA, and NABC) according to wikipedia. Lukes junior year he made the second team on 1 of the 4 polls and was honorable mention on the rest. His senior year, he didnt make the first, second, or third team on any of the polls. But even his junior year, he averaged 16-7-6 on a pretty good arizona team, so it's not like being honorable mention was about him being white. Just my 2 cents on that.
both teams beat me to it on the luke thing
Llperez, I vividly remember reading articles from several reporters who were calling Luke Walton a "National Player of the Year" candidate [not winner]. I also remember having this discussion with my brother with both of us LOL over the thought of Luke Walton receiving that kind of notoriety. As for documentation as to which reporters said it, I don't have it.
The same was true around that time with various reporters claiming Chris Mihm was the best big man in college basketball.
And around two years ago I remember reading more than one article where reporters were saying that BJ Mullens wasn't just the best big man coming into college basketball, he was the best freshman period.
Whether or not I can find the authors of those articles, the point is this happens frequently. As I stated several times in this this thread, it's Human Nature, very similar to rooting for the underdog. I'll bet if there are young black ice hockey players somewhere in Canada, they're probably receiving more hype than they deserve.
I understand that, I don't resent it, I just want people to recognize it.
You cannot possibly compare Mullens to Ogilvy. Mullens could not get on the floor at Ohio State. When he was on the floor, he couldn't do anything. He was a big body with a good frame and some athleticism. Ogilvy has consistently been given awards voted on by coaches in the leagues and tournaments that he has played in. Ogilvy averaged 14 per this season in the SEC and 15 per against teams who were in the RPI top 100. It wasn't Chump State. Did he impress against Cousins? No, but I don't see a long list of people who did. The only things that held back DeMarcus Cousins were free throw shooting, fouls, and sometimes his emotions. Physically, he was a man among boys every time out.
I disagree that Ogilvy is not an NBA player. He is a one-trick player, but 7-footers who can score on the block hang around the NBA. What is the worst case scenario for him? A team like the Lakers taking him in the second round and telling him to spend a couple years in Europe developing his game is not a thing. If a person wants to make the argument that Ogilvy can't hang with Cousins, that is fine. I never thought he was ever going to be a front line starting center. I do think he can be a backup center who a team who needs a couple buckets in the post when they have their second unit in. It is non-sensical to argue he is not a better prospect than Hamady Ndiaye and Art Parakhouski. It is also foolish to look at his per minute production and completely dismiss the fact that Vandy brought in more talent over the course of Ogilvy's time. Patrick Patterson and Cole Aldrich had their rates went down.
I didn't see any apology from you reference the series of insults that you threw at me reference the so called one game analysis.
I'm not saying that 6 ft 10 inches tall Ogilivy doesn't have talent. He has a very nice low post game with a wide array of nifty moves down low. Unfortunately he's one dimensional because can't shoot or play defense. Down the stretch, his coach always takes him out when Vanderbilt is on defense.
And for whatever reason, he doesn't rebound nor show up at big games. He stands around and watches and that was my biggest gripe about him against Cousins. When a shot went up he would just stand there and watch. Oh yeah, he picked up a couple of defense rebounds on foul shots but that was about it.
And on defense, Ogilvy never once forced Cousins to his weak hand. You would think a junior could at least outsmart a freshman.
I didn't say BJ Mullens and Ogilvy were comparable talents. However, I didn't make myself clear so let me try again. I was comparing my experience reference the hype. Before I ever saw either player on the court, I read and heard a lot about them. But neither one came close to being the kind of player I heard and read about. Both of them were huge disappointments and that's why I used those 2 names in the comparison.
Can Ogilvy make it in the NBA? If the 2 Brians [Cardinal and Scalabrine] can make a roster, anyone can. Ogilvy might make the cut, but unless some big time changes occur in how he plays the game, he will never get any regular court time.
And you know what BothTeamsPlayedHard, occasionally the hype works against white players who are stereotyped. The two best examples were Tyler Hansbrough and Luke Harangody. Those are two tough guys who worked hard, performed admirably, and definitely earned the hype. Unfortunately both of them were abused on this and other draft websites.
If you read any of my older posts, you would have seen me defending and praising both players. I think they will be excellent role players in the NBA, maybe more.
everybody wants to talk about white players because there is so few of them. theres always questions about there lack of athleticism and if they will get drafted at all. People opinions of white players vary so much because of lack of athleticism. you could name a lot more black players who are over hyped and didnt produce. Gerald Green????? IF i looked at some prior drafts i could name 15 players who are over hyped without even trying
hasheem thabeet went to the d league this year. jordan hill, and derozen were all top 10 picks who were over hyped. last year in the top ten
Sorry to get off-topic (lol) but what schools do you think they'll look at? Do you think any MWC schools have a chance? Like a SDSU or a Fresno in the WAC? It seems like they're looking for big playing time and want to be featured (two things that probably weren't going to happen til maybe there senior years at UNC). And I could see them leading one of those kind of teams for the foreseeable future to a lot of wins and maybe touney runs...
ScoutGuru, I think you nailed it. Obviously their father, and probably the players themselves, want to find a school where they can be the featured players. That wasn't going to happen at NC, even if they stayed until their senior year, simply because they aren't that good.
I think they can become very good college players in the right environment. I have no idea where they plan on going, but a mid-major school like Butler, would be perfect for them.
Obviously they made a mistake by going to NC and now they realize it. Hopefully they won't repeat that error by selecting another national powerhouse.