Derrick Favors or Demarcus Cousins?
If you had either pick 3 or 4 in the upcoming draft assuming wall and turner are gone, would you draft cousins or favors? I'm a kings fan and i'm assuming we'll get AT BEST 3 maybe 4 based on the bs that happened to us last season. To me cousins is the better prospect and here's why: Cousins is already somewhat polished offensively and i feel he could come in and immediately be a 15 and 10 player with potential. He could become more explosive once he loses his 10-20 lbs of baby fat and i feel his offensive repertoire is much better than favors. You could also argue that cousins has an attitude problem. Keep in mind that he is only like 19 so that could just be immaturity and even if it isn't rasheed wallace (if you want to compare people with attitudes) in portland had a thousand technicals and started alot of issues but while he was there, they were title contenders and he was one of the main reasons why which goes to show that you can still be productive. (The only reason they came up short is because of the Portland curse) Coming to the kings i feel like cousins would give us a much needed swagger and would finally get rid of our rep as being soft upfront. Favors is defintely a project that can either be really good or really bad. And at best i feel he will be like a less charismatic amare; athletic as can be, maybe even a reliable mid range game but i'm not enamored with amare. I feel once he loses athleticism he will be way less productive. And honestly how many hybrid bigs in recent years besides rasheed in 04 with the pistons have actually won a ring? Cousins with tyreke and somehow acquiring a dynamic small forward and we could become a legitimate threat...
To me is a Kwame Brown character, same offensive post moves brown may be more athletic. ITs a shame that Kwame wasnt a 2nd option he has such speed for his size similar to cousins but cousins will pan out better. I use to love to pick athleticism over anything in the draft I am pretty much done now. It seems the more skilled players pan out better and the leapers are good for 2 or 3 plays
If i had the 2nd pick..It'll be Cousins..Everyone talks about his temper..But bash big men like David Robinson becuz they play with no emotion..If he gets with the right coach his temperment & immaturity will change...When he was in High School ,he tried to be another Magic Johnson and hung out on the perimeter..Cal showed him his place was in the post..And he became a 1st team All-America as a Freshman...Both he and Favors are great choices,but Favors looks a little undersized he reminds me of former UNLV forward Sidney Green or he might be another Tyrus Thomas
Cousins can def have a team built around him. He will be 17-10 his rookie year and he will go to Sacramento.
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Plus the cap room to add pieces but Cousins for sure will dominate more so than Favors
i think cousins is a no doubter. you can't fault a kid that is emotional during a bball game. favors often times in games showed little interest in getting the ball at all. cousins is a product that can go out there and get you 15 and 8 in his rookie season. he has superior size and post skills. i think favors has more athleticism, but to me, he reminds me of another tyrus thomas.
DeMarcus...I wouldn't even think twice. Cuz is good enough to go #1.
The Kings had the best chance to win the lottery last year. As crazy as this is gonna sound, the team with the best chance to win the lottery has only won 3 times in the last 25 years.
As for the selection, I'd take Cousins 10 times out of 10.
Easily Cousins. No doubt in my mind. If he stays in shape, gets more strength (I think he's strong as hell, but he can improve his lower body strength and tone up his upper body some more) he could be a dominant player.
I agree with what Rudeboy said about Cousins' transformation from HS to college. Many don't know or forget, Cousins used to be a perimeter drifter in HS. He shot alot of jump shots and tried to handle the ball from the HS 3-point line. Now that he's gotten away from that, he's proven to be the best big man in the 09 class. I think he'll continue to be a great low post player.
Favors reminds me of Chris Wilcox. He's not Amare Stoudemire at all IMO. Amare was always more physically gifted and a better athlete. And he was better than Favors at the same stage too (he was R.O.Y if I'm not mistaken). He was hindered by GT's bad guard play, but he's not very polished offensively, and I don't think he'll ever be.
He's better right now, Better Rebounder, Strong, Better Offensive Player.
I know everyone talks about his temper, but in the end
HE PLAYS BASKETBALL
Cousins. You don't come across 6'11" 280 pound guys every day. If he works on his conditioning and keeps his attitude in check he can be a 20/10 guy for his career. No doubt in my mind.
Demarcus Cousins...no doubt about it. Everyone else mentioned the positives about Cuz already, so I won't continue with that. And in regards to Favors, how many guys do we actually see with that HUGE amount of potential while being raw actually pan out? If I draft him top #2, or #3, I want him to be more than a Tyrus Thomas, Chris Wilcox, Stromile Swift...I would like for them to be starting (not starting by default) at some point in the rookie years, and be a starter throughout their career, and at minimum a fringe all star.
Cousins fits that criteria for me. I think if Cousins would've been in that '06 draft, he would've been the #1 prospect. (Even though Toronto seemed attached to drafting an international player in Bargnani)
Wow everybody in this thread is flat out dead wrong of Favors. He ISN'T THAT RAW....He has soft touch around the basket and a nice mid range game. Dude was hitting 3's regularly in high school. He is much more explosive than Cousins, better defender and better rebounder not to mention he is almost a year younger. Also he is 6'10 255 right now...that is not undersized for PF. Sorry but Tyrus Thomas and Chris Wilcox??? Favors will be a lot better NBA player than both of them.
"Favors reminds me of Chris Wilcox. He's not Amare Stoudemire at all IMO. Amare was always more physically gifted and a better athlete. And he was better than Favors at the same stage too (he was R.O.Y if I'm not mistaken). He was hindered by GT's bad guard play, but he's not very polished offensively, and I don't think he'll ever "
Amare isn't that much more physical gifted than Favors no way. Have we watched the same Favors? Dude gets up so high just like Amare. I don't know much about Amare when he was Favors age but I know they were both ranked #1 in the RSCI in their class.
"Amare was always more physically gifted and a better athlete. And he was better than Favors at the same stage too (he was R.O.Y if I'm not mistaken)."
I think people forget how young Favors is, he doesn't turn 19 until August. Amare was a 20 year old rookie in the NBA, so in Favors first NBA season he will actually be younger.
Yes Amare won ROY with 13.5 PPG and 8.8 RPG, 1.1 BPG and a FG% of 47. But I think Favors is more than capable of those numbers in his second year (which is when he will be the same age Amare was as a rookie).
Georgia Tech lists him at 6'10, 246 lbs right now, even if he is an inch shorter with his jumping ability and long arms he more than makes up for it. Not to mention if he is 18 years old, could possibly grow another inch and already weighs 246 lbs. He should be able to reach a very impressive 255lbs in the NBA after a few seasons of weight training.
Favors is more athletic than Cousins, more explosive and has better defensive ability. Favors has Garnett like potential (without the passing ability).
He's not as tall, long, or as athletic as Amare. I watched/went to pretty much every Georgia Tech game, and he's not Amare Stoudemire. He's much closer to a Chris Wilcox. He's not very polished at all in the post. He's strong and physical, but he looks awkward alot of times when trying to create his own offense most times. Chris Wilcox was a solid player for a time there, and he had decent productivity, so it's not like I think Favors will be terrible. But he's not Amare Stoudemire. Believe me.
I haven't ever like the comparison to Amare but Favors is just as explosive IMO. Also Amare is listed at 6'10 245 at the age of 27 while Favors is listed at 6'10 246 at the age of 18 so there the same height. Favors also has a 9'1 reach and around a 7'5 wingspan so if Amare is longer it can't be by much. I watched all his games at GT too and a lot in high school and he isn't that raw. I think Wilcox is solid too but if Favors doesn't have a better career tha nim I will be extremely suprised. Favors struggled earlier in the year at Tech but once he worked on his conditioning and stayed out of his foul trouble his numbers improved and he was by far Tech's player. Favors will be an all star in the NBA barring injury IMO.
He was rarely the best player on Georgia Tech. Lawal or Shumpert all out performed him this year at various points of the season. He scored more at the end of the season, but he's not very polished offensively at all. He's very very similar to Chris Wilcox though. Wouldn't be surprised if he had an eerily similar career.
Also, Favors is more like 6'8 or MAYBE 6'9. He's not 6'10. I'll wait for his combine results though. I highly doubt he has 7'6 wingspan though.
Derrick Favors is no Kevin Garnett. Garnett could handle the ball, shoot jumpers with NBA range, and he could defend the perimeter when he played for Minnesota. He also was/is much more intense than Favors, and a better rebounder.
I very very seriously doubt he puts up 14 and 9 in his 2nd season. He might put that up in his prime years, but I would be shocked if he did in his 2nd season. Nowhere near the offensive talent Amare is or was. He'll probably get like 7 ppg and 6 rpg as a rookie, and like 12 ppg and 7 rpg in his 2nd season.
Gani Lawal measured in at 6'9 at the combine last year and Favors looks taller than him. We'll see at the combine..no way he is 6'8 if we're talking about with shoes.
Favors will put up better than 10 and 7 in his 2nd year...his offensive games is a lot better than you are giving him credit for. And yes he was the best player on Georgia Tech in the last 10 games or so and it's really not close. Lawal and Shumpert were both inconsistant while when Favors stayed out of foul trouble he dominated. Check this link from high school and he gets up....also hits a 3. He flys for the dunk at the 2:15 mark.
i think Favors will be measured at 6'9 without shoes!
It's cousins, he has the size and strength to guard most center his rookie year. In about 3 years when he is very familiar with the nba, has more strength, and becomes a better defender he will be able to put up a fight with Dwight.
Cousins, but I don't agree with some of the stat guessing here. No way does cousins average 15- 8 his rookie year. He could if he stayed on the floor, but he plays to hard and will be in a lot of foul trouble early on. sort of like Greg Oden, but he will still be one of the more productive players in the draft. Favors will have to go to an up tempo team to see a lot of production. Just watch his tourny games, they really didn't overwhelm me.
In college Cousins was a much better rebounder than Favors and much better overall. I am always hesitant on the a lot of talent/ raw prospects and Cousins is a sure thing. I agree with 17and 10 assesment for Cousins this yr, who I think is a gonna be a career 25-12 guy.