Boston Celtics - How do you rebuild?
As we know ray allen will be a free agent and is coming off the books (unless the larry bird rule is applied). This does not get the celtics under the cap. In addition, Pierce, Sheed and KG come off in the next two years. This will free up money to spend on any free agents.
The celtics will need to extend perkins after next year and have rondo locked up. Everyone else should be minimal (big baby ect). After KG expires currently rondo is the only one under contract.
So the celtics have a PG and a C locked up (lets assume this). How do you fill in? I think this draft is very important because this is where you start to replace the pieces that are being lost.
Who do the celtics target at 19?
Guys I like:
Unlikely: James Anderson & X Henry
Targets: Paul George, Larry Sanders, Devin Ebanks
Projects: Daniel Orton, Lance Stephenson, Willie Warren
So I guess the goal of this draft isnt really to fill a position need but just get a player who can start in 2-3 years paired up with Perk and Rondo. I think this draft is deep enough to obtain that.
Who do the celtics target and why?
perkins is not a lock if they can get an upgrade they would get rid of perkins in a NY min
i think the celtics ride this unit out for 2 more years until ray/kg and maybe even pierce are all about ready for retirment or at least at a point where they will head to some contender to come off the bench. As for during these next 2 years, they basically just have to make little movements becuase i doubt they can do anything too crazy to build for the future. WHen you are picking in the 20's, it's doubtful you get a starter so you should just take the best player available.
They aren't going to rebuild until Pierce and Garnett move on. Elevating Rondo, Perkins, and Davis to prominent roles is not going to keep them from a major fall off. They'll probably keep Allen and get his money and years to line up with Garnett and Wallace. Pierce will probably get extended through probably 2012-13. I think they'll be able to get a decent vet for the MLE, but it is going to be difficult to find one less than 30 years old who can make a difference. I think with the draft, they will look to get a scoring wing. Elliot Williams, Avery Bradley, Jordan Crawford, Lance Stephenson, and Anderson come to mind. I think they'll be able to find a long, active body with some skills in the 2nd.
Where are the other fans on this forum...same topics about same star players and big market teams...are these droid accounts aimed at keeping us ready for Kobe/Lebron finals...Where are the Bulls/76ers/Bucks/Hornets/Magic/Hawks/Warriors/T'Wolves/ and other teams fans...dont get started on NJ Nets fans...your love for John Wall is sickening and when you lose the lottery and offer your souls to the team who wins the pick for your precious overhyped point guard J.Wall...you'll lose another 70 games after you trade Harris and Williams for the pick...watch and learn...where are the real sports fans...not the fair weather,,big market droids sent to remind us that the nba is a machine solely intended to break in profits and ruin the greatest sport in the world...
They're be able to get a good rookie with their pick..Who could become a quality starter in a year or 2....Becuz this draft is so deep..Rondo is the only young player on that team capable of contributing on a consistent basis or have star appeal..Most of their future plans depends on rather or not they re-sign Ray Allen or let him walk..And use his 19 million dollars on a free agent this summer or next summer? And rather or not Coach Doc Rivers returns..
Allens money cant be used cuz they would be over the cap. In my opinion they might sign Pierce but I really doutbt KG if they do sign pierce of KG it will be with the understanding they are old and for less money.
The bottom line is free agent money will be freed up to spend on others who would possible replace them in the starting lineup. You dont want to waste these quality years of Rondo. That is why I think this draft is important cuz if you get a James Anderson for example and let allen walk or sign him for reduced money cuz he wants to stay you have a replacement inline.
After this years any championships arent going to be cuz of the big three it will be because of the people brought in thru the draft or FA with them playing as role players or leaders not as starters.
For example pierce will be like Michael Finely in two years or close to him.
Who will you draft that will even see time in Boston...behind that old ass team...
They need a athletic wing that can shoot the 3 ball and Anderson would fit in well in that role
and if he is still there at 19 he will be a good value there.
A back up PG is need as well but very unlikely in the draft at 19 or after 1 and 2 for that matter.
They can look to get a serviceable free agent to back up Rondo and draft a wing that can defend in the NBA
I think if Ebanks is there they take him and let him use his length to harass the 3's of the east he can not
shoot but at 19 you don't have many options. They need a wing defender.
Next year they still will look mostly the same as they do now IMO.
They already have Rondo and Perk, so they have the two hardest positions locked up for a few years. They will target a SF in the draft (Ebanks, Hayward...) because Pierce hasn't had a solid back up since Posey left, and the team needs a defender. I also believe that with all the money coming off the books (they will sign Allen again but for less money) they could land a very nice free agent in the next couple of years. They did it once, so they could do it again.
I think Crawford, Dominique Jones, and James Anderson (if availible) are good picks.
They will need a scoring wing to fill Allen's spot
I don't think Williams, Bradley, Crawford or Stephenson are good enough to go in the top 20.
I hope the Celtics take Sanders or Anderson if he is available. Sanders could develop behind Garnett and Perkins, and become a long term starter.
why don't you make a post about a small market team? You aren't required to read a post about a big market team. And I'm sure that all small market teams have only extremely dedicated fans while the big market teams have fair weather fans with season tickets (sarcasm). Fans show up when the team wins. Small market teams just rely more on promotion to attract fair weather fans.
Learn how that cap works ppl just cuz 19 million dollars is off the books doesn't mean that's how much you have to spend which is a common misconception
it is now the time for them to start slowly rebuilding, but yet keep on winning. I say let Allen walk if he wants to much money, but if he will take a considerable pay cut, I say keep him until KG's contract is done as well. They need to lock up Rondo and Perkins, who are both undervalued and are key pieces. This year they need to draft a wing for sure who can score and defend. They have Davis as their back up and maybe future PF for the team. When Garnet's and maybe Allen's contracts our done, let them both walk as they will be quite old and getting quite useless. I think they will keep Pierce no matter what, I think he wants to be a Celtic his whole career and is quite faithful towards Boston. They can pick up a backup PG in free agency like a Duhon, which isn't to bad. They could also land a 2nd or 3rd string PG in the second round of the draft with Collins, Scheyer, or Clemente.
ya i had avery bradley going to them. he plays good defense and a few years under the big 3 would do wonders for a project like bradley just ask rondo. i also think they should try to buy another first round pick in this draft because it is deep with solid players. they just have to draft well for the next 3 years and they will be ok. they will also have to use their cap space when the big 3 retire/leave in a few years.
the reality is that they arent going to find a solid starter in the draft at the position they are in. If they can trade the pick with detriot, philly, etc they should. They will likely keep this same squad together for another 2 years before they move on. If they end up with 2 firsts in 2011 or 2012 (with one of them hopefully pretty high) they would be in a much better position to build over than drafting someone that'll never start. At that point they can also start pursuing players through free agency cause some of the contracts would have expired.
Good pt, i think a bunch of threads were created for small market teams earlier
The Twolves, Bobcats, Grizzlies have been talked about.
Ppl have talked to death about the Clippers, Rockets, Heat,
No once cares about the 76ers they suck and are screwed becaz of Brand, Dalembert and Iguodala all 3 are due big money and none are franchise players.
Only teams no one really talks about are the Pacers, Pistons, Warriors and Hornets.
So here goes.
The Pacers screwed up their draft odds with a late season run outside of Granger and Hibbert the team has very lil.
They are still capped out for 1 more year than Dunleavy, Murphy, Ford, Tinsley, Foster will be gone rite now they only have 15 mill on the books for 2011/12 season so after some signings and picks should still have over 30 mill to spend.
They jumped the gun drafting Tyler Handsborough last year and he was just avg. at best only his rebounding was a plus to the team.
Pistons blew their money last summer on Gordon and Charlie V. I actually like Ben Gordon but not along side Rip Hamilton who has to be moved but his contract has 3 more years at 12.65 a year will be tough to move.
Need to move Prince he's younger and with just 1 year left on his deal can get you a big man back or a young player.
This team is in trouble outside of their 1st round pick 7th overall and last years rookies Summers and Daye not much elese to get excited about.
Warriors don't seem to want to change, Don Nelson has a year still left on his deal i'm assuming?
9 or 10 guys already signed through next year its time for a change the small ball, up tempo hasn't worked they had success in 2007 but not since. They were lucky that Baron Davis didn't resign and they moved Jason Richardson, Stephen Jackson's contracts unfortunately they got very little back. Stephen Curry fell into their lap so they have a point guard who can shoot the ball too. I would still look to move Monta Ellis he isn't the type of star player you want leading your team. They are also capped out for this summer but their is a light at the end of the tunnel. Raja Bell's contract is up he probably needs to be let go same goes for Speedy Claxton. The following year Vlad Radmonovic's deal is up & Azubuike both need to leave having all these guards won't help esp. out West. I would look to move Biedrins, Maggette, Ellis take whatever you can get for these guys before their value drops. Try and land some legitimate Pf's, Centers, Sf's and guys who can play D. Maybe look to deal Anthony Randolph with another young player to Miami for Beasley I know he doesn't play much D but he seems to have a lot more upside than Randolph and both teams seem to be looking to move their PF's. They do have a top 5 pick it seems and at 5 should take Cousins he would give them some size for once. Other than that I would pull off a big trade moving Curry and drafting Wall. Evan Turner at #2 would be nice as well can finally move Ellis and have a nice backcourt for the future in Curry, Turner.
The New Orlenas Hornets remain an enigma they are capped out next year the last year till Peja, Mo Pete, Songalia are off the books. They have 2 special players in Chris Paul and David West both with a lot of value. Marcus Thornton came out of no where to have a very good rookie season averaging 14.5 ppg and shot 45% great numbers esp. for a 2nd round pick. Add to that list was rookie phenom Darren Collison who showed signs of brilliant play the Hornets have hinted at playing Paul and Collison together but that would be a very small backcourt. I would definately look into trading 1 of them sometime next year depending on how the team performs. Last offseason they traded Tyson Chandler for Emeka Okafor I didn't understand the trade becaz Okafor has 4 more year still on his deal and Chandler just 1 now so he is could've cleared some money for a team that had financial problems. Looks like they'll have the 11th or 12th pick in the draft I would consider a small forward or a true Center if one is available there.
This isn't baseball where small market teams like the Royals and PIrates have no chance.
Once the draft lottery happens team will know where there picking and get to work on that.
I disagree with that last statement about small market teams being unable to win in baseball. I think its actually quite the opposite. Hello Twins, Rays, Marlins, and Brewers. Thats a mute point though.
Basketball is one of the most top heavy professional leagues in sports. I think it is the biggest flaw with the NBA in that it is nearly impossible to get back up after going to the bottom, Yeah there are those teams that are able to rebuild like the Blazers and Thunder but in most cases the top teams stay on top for a long time. How many times do you see a team trade its star players for a couple of expiring contracts and a 2nd round draft pick? I remember at least 3 last summer alone...it happens alot. Its highway robbery, and it just fuels the problem that small market teams cant get back on top. Because even if they do draft a stud player, buy the time that player develops, he's traded for a couple expiring contracts, a water bottle, and a change of socks and the whole process starts all over again. How long before Chris Paul gets traded? How long before Danny Granger gets traded? How long before Andrew Bogut has to be traded?
Small market teams in the NBA really dont stand a chance, they dont get good players, and when they do they cant keep them very long.
Marlins are nothing special they won a title with some great young players in 2003 than traded them away a few years later.
Twins, Brewers make the playoffs becaz they have very good young players.
Twins couldn't afford to keep Santana so they traded him not sure how they got the money for Mauer but he's a once a decade or longer type of player.
DRays can't pay all their guys watch how many leave already they moved Kazmir last year.
No cap thats why every year the Yanks spend more than any other team by like 50 mill and are either in the playoffs or in the race for them.
Elliot Williams is a beast If he is there I'd take him bring him to back up Ray Ray for year and let him and Rondo run wild that backcourt would be dangerous b/c even though he's out of Memphis he's an original Duke player and Duke players do good in the league then draft Scheyer(Duke) in the second round great back up I like Marquis Daniels as a defensive stopper every team needs one of those. the frontcourt has Perkins and Davis but they need a low post scoring presence. but a future back court of
PG- Rondo- Scheyer
SG- Williams- Allen
they have offense defense and depth but the front court will be the biggest problem