what went wrong for dallas?
I like to start with san antonio is a hell of a team and I predicted them to win this series so its not like dallas was upset. But im curious to hear what went wrong with them?
Here are a few of my observations:
Jason Kidd. I said they made a mistake when they gave up devin harris and 2 first rounders. I also said they made a mistake when they extended him for 3 years and 24 million before this season. He is solid, but they need to stop living in the past and look for his replacement, not giving him a huge extension makin him the man for the next few years.
Dirk Nowitzky. He is a very good player. But he is one of the least deserving of the mvp award i have seen in my days. To me, an mvp better be able to say get out of y way, im taking over this series. Dirk cant do that. Maybe for a game, not a series.
Bad contracts, i already pointed out kidd, but dampier and marion are making a lot of money as well considering their limited contributions.
What are your guy's take?
Beabois is tha point of the future they just need to get him in the game cause the kid can ball.
I got scrutinized for sayin beaboius was gonna be good but anyway when he got in the game tonight he picked it up for them they need more youth and fast their starting 5 next year will be over 30 and their bench isnt very youthful
Dallas should have scored more points. They shoot good from free throw but did not do what it takes to get to the line enough. Only 3 players showed up.
"dallas should have scored more points", yeah that too, lol.
I think the problem of Mavs always not getting things going probably have to do with Dirk. Dirk is certainly a great player and a reliable offensive when the game is not on the line. He always choked in the clutch moments in big games.
Jason Kidd is still pretty good, and he is not really a bad contract compared to a lot of other contracts in the league. I personally don't think Devin Harris is on the same level as Jason Kidd. Devin Harris is too much of a scoring guard to play with so many scoring options on the Mavs. Certainly, the Mavs gave up a lot ot get Kidd, but Kidd is still a better fit than Harris and likely still a better overall player.
Mark Cuban did a good job in putting a lot of good players together for so many years, but he just wasn't able to get a winner. Nobody on the Mavs has the killer instinct. Dirk is probably a great 2nd option pairing with a another star that has a killer instinct.
Dampier is certainly a bad contract (he got 1 more year). Haywood apparently lost his contract year magic as a Mavs.
Marion is disappointing as he regressed so much since his best days.
Caron Butler hasn't really mashed well with the Mavs yet. I think another reason they cannot live up to expectations this year probably has to do with chemistry since they added Butler and Haywood to the team in mid-season.
I picked San Antonio to win this series also.
I never jumped onto Dallas' bandwagon this season. I thought adding Butler and Haywood were good moves, but I still wasn't as sold as some people.
They didn't get enough from Marion, Haywood and Terry this series. Kidd also shot terribly and wasn't very good defensively defending Parker/Hill.
Suns is the only team I root for in the playoff, but I don't have too much confidence in them against the Spurs. The Spurs just always got their numbers.
The Mavs is probably a more favorable matchup.
What is with all the Dirk comments, he played amazing in the series and actually was the only reason that they were even close to the Spurs. I watched every game and all I kept thinking was how good Dirk was playing, he was literally keeping them in the game all by himself down the stretch because as soon as he would pass the Mavs would just give it right back to him, it was like they just expected him to do everything. Its not like Dirk took a ton of shots, he only averaged 17 shot attempts a game, and on those 17 shots averaged over 25 ppg, also grabbing 9 rpg, 3 apg, a steal and a block, all while shooting over 50% from the floor. You cannot fault a player just because he did not hit back to back threes at the end of a game to save the rest of his do nothing team from defeat. If they would have played with the same intensity he had all game, they could have been up by ten at the end of the fourth instead of getting ready to pack up their fishing rods and head out to the lake.
basketbalallan-fair enough. Dirk did what he could and i dont put this series on him.
You couldn't have watched every game because Dirk was very average in games two and four.
They waited too late to play Beaubois. He's better than little Barea and quicker and more intense than Kidd offensively. Should've gave him more time. Never understood why they didn't play him more this season. He's got the ability to be like a Tony Parker 2.0 IMO. I've been big on Beaubois since the pre-season.
Coach Carlisle was MISERABLY outcoached and did a terrible job of working the refs too. They should've gotten more calls had he talked more to the refs. If I were him, I would've gotten a technical of purpose after that blown offensive interference call, to liven up the Mavs players and to show the refs that we needed the game and blown calls don't help.
They made a nice push throughout the 3rd quarter, but they didn't defend how they needed to to sustain the lead. Beaubois and Caron Butler and largely at fault for the defensive lapses the Mavs had, and gave up a good deal of open shots to George Hill, Tony Parker and Manu.
Dirk Nowitzki makes me think of Patrick Ewing, and not by playing styles. More so they are the center pieces of there respective team's, and year in and year out they come up short. Dirk is a number 1 scoring option, but he's not a killer instinct type player. You don't need to be a franchise player though to be a killer instinct player. Guys Parker, Ginobili, and even George Hill have it. The mavericks simply don't have that.
I think the best way for the Mavs to build the team for a championship is...
1. Dirk opts out of his contract and gets restructured to bring in better players
2. Get rid of Barea, he's not needed
3. Resign Haywood, IMO he is better than Dampier
4. Find someone to take Matt Carroll, the guy has a dumb contract 3 years left.
5. Restructure other player's contracts as well as trade guys with expiring contracts so they can try making a splash in free agency. A guy like Wade should be someone they should go after. A lineup of Kidd-Wade-Butler-Nowitzki-Haywood with Beaubois, Terry, Dampier, and Marion off the bench that's pretty solid.
To be honest i am a little annoyed by how this series panned out. Dallas kind of just spluttered and didn't play as good as they capable of. It's okay for Carlisle to act like a gentleman, with that nice parting in his hair and blank expressionn on his face, but he's going against Popovich and a well drilled veteran Spurs team. Dampier - Should play 10 mins a game tops, backing up Haywood. Beaubois and Terry should be the 6th and 7th men, and Caron Butler needs to start taking smarter shots. I thought they were capable of coming out the West, but they've failed...again.
What went wrong is they ended up catching San Antonio right when they are starting to put it all together. I've been saying from the beginning of the season that the Spurs will be one team that I think can push LA for the Western Conference Championship. They've been playing together for years and then you add guys like Richard Jefferson and DeJuan Blair, they were only going to get better once they got situated and for Jefferson that time is now. Manu is playing much better, at least b4 the mask. I would not be shocked at all if the Spurs took the whole thing. Not to mention they have arguably the best coach in today's game.
1-we were outcoached ,RC has done every thing to make us lose,RC was asked during the game if his team should stop taking jump shots and drive and he answered No we are a jumpshooting team !!!!!!!!!!
while Popovich is just what he is one of NBA greatest coach
2-we are the oldest team in the league,our veteran was tired and didn't show up,some of them actually will never play as good they once was
3-Dirk is for sure a player that you can build a round and won a championship,but he needs a very good supporting cast,he simply need a better players around him than do players like Kobe for example. sadly he never even had a supporting cast as good as them
Josh Howard and Nash was the only players who played in All star game while playing beside Dirk(Kidd didn't deserve to play in it this year)
don't tell me that he had a great team around him please
P.S Roddy Beaubois is gonna be a very good player in this league who may play several All star games
also I start thinking we should rebuild,actually most of the mavs fans either really want that or have no problem for it
Dirk deserves to get his ring and we won't win it,so starting over may be wise
Mark Cuban and Dirk Nowitzki have been the faces of the Dallas Mavericks during all of their collapses. The collapse against Miami in the 2006 NBA Finals. The collapse against Golden State in the 2007 NBA playoffs. The collapse against the Spurs this year. Who else can you blame it on besides them?
I think Dirk is the main problem. That's not saying he isn't a good player or that he doesn't put up good statistics. He's probably the most talented 7 foot jumpshooter and overseas player in NBA history. He's not a leader though. I've always said that any team with Dirk as their leader would not win a title. He just doesn't have that aggressive mindset that leaders and number one players have. He doesn't make his teammates better. He doesn't defend either.
I can't blame Cuban for building the team around Dirk earlier in his career, but after the collapse versus Golden State, he should've realized that Dirk is more of a number two player.
Nowitzki can't take over a game like a Kobe, Lebron, or Wade because he doesn't have dominant quickness or ball handling skills. He has to get the ball at a spot in the post (usually at the elbow) or in a pick and pop scenario. He's probably better than any other 7 footer in NBA history at creating off the dribble, but you can't ask him to take over a game every time.
In order to get shots you have to have someone who can break the defense down off the dribble. Dallas' only really effective player off the bounce is Beaubois, but when he isn't in the game Dallas left it up to Dirk to draw a double and kick it out. He put up great numbers, despite being the focal point of the San Antonio defense, so you really can't put this on him.
San Antonio has Ginobili, Hill, and Parker who can all get to the rim, and they did so without a problem the entire series. Butler can get to the rim, but he settled for jumpers far too often.
Interesting thread. I agree with most posts here.
The Mavericks are just simply too old. They had a unique bunch of players, their core lineup consisted of players that are past their prime years, but still solid players. Maybe if Haywood and Butler were acquired earlier, then the chemistry would have been better.
Kidd is still worthy of playing in the league, but his time as a starter in the NBA is over. Kidd shot well this year from the 3 pt line, but you wouldn't have noticed during this series.
Of course, Jason Terry didn't do any better guarding those guys. He is nothing more than just a jump shooter now, and when he is off, his entire game is off. He still has heart and passion for the game.
Marion feels like he is still a great defender, but Ginobili wore him out. I have never been a fan of Marion, as I feel he is just a system player. Every time he takes one of those floaters in the lane I am just praying that it goes in. Maybe I'm being too hard on him since he is older, but it is obvious he relies way too much on his athleticism, and those years have passed him by. How do you not score every time Matt Bonner is guarding you?
I agree with most here, Damp should only be playing 10 minutes a game. The past 5-6 years that he has been a starter, he has played like he is a backup center. He isn't a threat offensively and finds himself out of position on defense way too much. I think he is softer than Charmin Ultrasoft 2 ply toilet paper.
Dirk is Dirk. If the Mavericks win the 2006 NBA Finals, who knows what that could have done for this franchise. You talk about having a different mentality and approach to the game when you have a championship ring, and I'm afraid that is something the Mavericks won't feel for a while. Dirk is my favorite player, and I would hate to see him not get a ring.
Mark Cuban, Donnie Nelson, and Carlisle have some thinking to do. Do you give this roster an offseason together to build some chemistry? Do you completely rebuild around a young star? Do you move a couple of pieces around to acquire a big time player? With the current roster, time is not on the Mavericks side.
It seems like the Mavericks were in this situation last year. Knowing Cuban, rebuilding is never option, he is always willing to pay the luxury. There is plenty of talent in the draft, but the Mavs have to make a trade to get a first round pick. Obviously, alot will depend on if Dirk opts out, but I just can't see him playing anywhere else.
Mavericks need to trade for the first pick and take John Wall.