Reveiwing nbadraft.net mock is a joke because of one error. I see they have Daniel Orton going mid first round, the way things are looking now he is a seconder rounder at best. Don't sip the bluegrass sauce here, i don't get it. To be honest i don't know how you can rate him above Samardo Samuels, Character, or Tiny Gallon who are all boarder line first to second round...Thoughts?
The thing about Orton is that he is huge and is a good athlete. A team that already has a sold big man but is looking for some depth will grab him. His body is NBA ready but his game probably isnt. Someone like the Cavs or Celtic could take him if he slips that far. A team that has a bunch of picks, like Minnesota might bite on him because of all the speculation that one of their bigs might get traded. When you have multiple picks, you can take risks on players that have loads of potential and Orton does.
not much of a slip but maybe to the 20's
Are you talking about projected lotto picks or any player in general?
But 8th do you really think he is better then the guys i mentioned? they all have nba bodies, they were better as HS players and more productive in college, not to mention young with upside as well....
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He is better than Gallon for sure. Gallon is a fat SF that has to play C because he is fat. He likes to shoot outside and wont be able to keep up with NBA players.
Samuels will end up coming back I believe. In workouts he will be exposed as a bad athlete and that will hold him back. That being said, he is, if anything, as good as Orton but not better. Also, he is listed at 6'9 which means he is about 6'7. Thats kind of small.
Im not familar with Character so I cant speak about him.
Orton is listed at 6'10 but in the team picture, he looks taller than Cousins. So either Cousins is really 6'8 or Orton is right at 6'11. He is built and mobile. Those other 2 I talked about cant move like he can. IDK since im not a GM but if it were me, I would want a guy that is an athlete and not just a chunker.
Draft Express has Orton going 13th and Chad Ford has him going 10th, so idk where you're getting "the way things are looking now he is a seconder rounder at best" from...this is actually a good thread though. I think anyone someone would predict "slipping" would be controversial to another person...Personally, I see Larry Sanders slipping. There are so many 6-10/6-11/7-0, defensive minded talents, and he's gotten the least exposure. I know he has great measurements, but he actually might be better off next year in a more guard-heavy draft.
Devin Ebanks will slide
8th & Sammy the reason i say he slips is in 8th explaination. You mention he is big and srong, no metion of his actually basketball skills because you don't know what he has!! he hasn't shown us any basketball skill. At least i know Gallon can stretch the defense, i know Samuels can bang & play the post...All we know about Orton is 5pts in a cloud of dust and his measurements....Larry Sanders i don't know much about, but this draft is getting competitive for first round spots and i think the pure potential guys will pay the price
If people are expecting Orton to be that good their wrong. Hes Joel Anthony 2.0, and a good defender, and has good physical attributes, but he has no offensive game, and will be no better than a backup.
Devin Ebanks has no basketball skill what so ever, and relies mainly on his athleticism. Later first round pick. I can also see someone like Damion James slipping into the later first round.
With ebanks i think his top is higher then that of some others...he doesn't have much to any skill but i can see him as a Josh Smith like player. His lateral quickness and finishing ability will make him a solid player if he slips to a good team in the 20's....hook him up with a solid PG and you can make something out that kid
i was gona say the exact same thing. I think teams focus too much on upside sometimes. Yes hes 6 10 and well built, but I didn't see much skill from him at all. Isn't Kwame Brown around his size. As a wizards fan i have a hard time typing that name.
speaking about Orton of course.
Look out for Craig Brackins. He would've been a lotto pick last year, and he's still the same nice offensive player. If you ask me, I don't really see why he slipped. He's the same player, and he didn't win any more real games, so he should've declared last year. But he's still a very nice offensive weapon. He's pretty much the exact same player Charlie Villanueva is.
With this year's draft. I see a lot of 2nd rounders with 1st round talent. This draft is just deep.
I've been saying Brackins would slip since last summer, It was laughable he was #7 on this site last spring. When you are at Iowa State people just forget about you, he was off the radar and that 42 point game against KU made him a lotto pick on this site. I think he is a poor man's Rasheed Wallace but he'd be a good pick in the late 1st. I see a guy like Pattrick Patterson dropping off a bit, he's a solid pick but in the land of the NBA combine where potential reigns, he'll lose out on wingspan and height to other power forwards like Ed Davis, Greg Monroe, Al Aminu, Udoh and Dontas unless a blue collar team like Utah picks him up.
Everything will change as soon as they start working out players individually and with other players around.
So it all depends on how they produce and what they show off in those workouts.
Who knows, maybe daniel orton will show everyone that he has some nice skills and alot of upside and a team will jump on that and pick him mid first round based on potential. who knows.
How many times have we seen big suprises on draft day. Individual workouts play a big part in choosing a player.
this is a good draft in all ways.......deep...good at the top.....I can see 10-12 all-stars coming out of here....
Does Larry Sanders remind anybody else of Cedric Simmons?
thats pretty harsh on ebanks, he's a good defensive player and has good court vision
I might be crazy but I have a feeling Wesley Johnson is going to slip. I think his age is really going to scare people off, the fact that he played zone in college is going to scare people off, and the fact that he doesn't do anything extremely well but does everything good will probably scare people off. He doesn't have the most potential in the world and that is what people are looking for in the lottery.
But he isn't first round talent. But based on potential a GM late in the 1st round will grab him. It would have to be a team like Boston or San Antonio, that has aging big men, but ones that will still be around for a few more years to help train and mold Orton for a few years. He wasn't good enough to get major playing time at Kentucky, I think this was due to being out of shape and unable to run with Wall and Bledsoe. And if he couldn't keep up there, the NBA will kill him.
Ebanks and W.Johnson will fall. W. Johnson has already fell, he was a top three pick and now some see him at 7-12. With Cousins, Monroe and Favors jumping ahead of him in some mocks. Not a major slide but this is before work outs and it will all ultimatly depend on the order of the drafts. If a team with the need of any of these players pick first then this is a moot point.