Is there too much hype on the 2nd overall pick nowadays?
I mean, over the last 10 years:
Only 2nd Overall Pick who is the face of their franchise?
Solid 2nd Option on a playoff team?
Solid 3rd option on a lottery team?
Besides Durant, what 2nd overall pick over the last 10 years has been a star?
Let's take a look:
2000: Stromile Swift
2001: Tyson Chandler
2002: Jay Williams
2003: Darko Milicic
2004: Emeka Okafor
2005: Marvin Williams
2006: LaMarcus Aldridge
2007: Kevin Durant
2008: Michael Beasley
2009: Hasheem Thabeet
You see, there's waaaay too much pressure for the #2 to be better than #1. It doesn't happen very often as you see.
Maybe some of that is the NBA gm's being idiots and thinking guys are loaded with potential because of measurables but in reality aren't anything special on the basketball court. Its part of the problem with the NBA as a whole...teams that arent good at building, because they just feast of the word potential.
Completely agree with you Biggysmalls
interesting topic. Im pretty sure every gm in the world would take the 2nd pick anyways if given the chance as opposed to picking later, but there is a run of less then impressive number 2 picks it seems. However, JWill would be an all-star caliber player imo if he hadnt gotten injured. That guy was a stud.
Hmmm... Hopefully Evan Turner will be a star and not a bum like those other guys picked 2nd.
big things werent expected from Thabeet
Lamrcus and Meka are gud players in my eyes oh i kinda like marvin just inconst. and on a stacked team
Beasley stills has alot time 2 become impact player,
he doesnt suck just doesnt fit heat play style
an hes been doubt it alot, for the other they jus suck
Yeah, if a GM had a chance, they would still choose the 2nd Overall pick... It's tough to scout really. This shows just how hard it is to find these gems. And to think, after the 1st and 2nd Overall Picks of the 2005 draft aren't franchise players, but the 3rd and 4th are.
when i judge GM's, i dont like to monday morning quarterback. If I thought it was a good pick at the time and it didnt work out, i give them the benefit of the doubt in my eyes. Its when i call a bust from day one or i call any bad move from day one and i end up correct that a gm loses some respect in my eyes. That's why i call Isiah thomas the worst gm ever becuase he litterly had me choking on my drink with every other move he made. I'll be honest though, the only pick on this list that i said was a big mistake at the time was thabeet and we still dont know enough about him yet.
I think Beasley suckiness has a lot to do with his attitude, character, and maturity. The guy is simply mentally too screwed up for the time being. The Heats is a pretty discipline team and Pat Riley is critical for his players' character and conditions (he called out DWade to be out of shape at the beginning of this season). Beasley being a mentally unstable and carefree person probably was not a good fit with the Heats' culture. He also was not mature enough to make the corresponding adjustment to play on Pat Riley's team. He lost the trust of his team rather quickly and hence his confidence sank.
However, you can't write him off yet, he's still just 20 years old. I think he probably just needs a change of team/coach in order to be back on track. His new team probably needs to have a good mentor to get this kid back on track, gets him out of troubles, and gets his focus back on basketball.
He is simply too talent to be a total bust. He also has good offensive skills already. As long as he got his confidence back, he can still be a great offensive force.
If you look at JR Smith in his first two seasons, he was mentally unstable and couldn't get himself out of Scott's doghouse.
After he was traded to the Nuggets, he improved and became a decent role player for the Nuggets. Obviously, he is still mentally unstable, immature and a big headache for George Karl. However, when his head is right, he's a dangerous contributer for the Nuggets.
While I do think Beasley is going to be a solid player...the rest of that list is a bust, besides Aldridge, Okafor and Durant (Imagine if the Blazers wouldve taken Durant insteady and Oden would have gone 2). Jay will gets a pass cuz of his injury, but alot of those players just arent very good.
It all comes back to GM's being idiots and not understanding that when your team is drafting 2nd in the NBA, you need guys who can play now and contribute, not guys who may or may not live up to their physical potential. Thats whats wrong with alot of the bad franchises.
And whoever said Thabeet didnt have expectations is right...but wrong. How can you justify taking a guy with the 2nd pick in the draft and not having expectations for him...it just doesnt make sense to me at all.
Give Beasley a team without a ball-dominant player like D.Wade and he'll succeed. Guaranteed. He averaged nearly 15 ppg and 7 rebs playing with the high usage Wade, and people are seemingly writing him off like he's some scrub. This is the same player that put up 26 and 12 in college. That doesn't just happen. I think he has 20 ppg 7 rpg potential on another team. I think it will happen if he goes to the Bulls. He'll never be a great defender, but he'll be very good at everything else.
although I havent seen Beasley play much, I dont think his scoring is an issue, I think once he becomes a better rebounder he will fulfill his potential. he can score no doubt but he has not proved to be as big of a rebounder has he was in college, unlike Blair, who can still grab just as many boards as he did as a collegiate when given the proper minutes.
Heat are going to regret losing him.
Too early to say Michael Beasley can't be better than rose, IMO if he's the first option on a team he will be better. Hasheem just doesn't seem that good to me.
I never saw what people saw in Hasheem Thabeet, but the Grizzlies needed a big man. Who would have thought that Marc Gasol would be this good and who would have thought Zach Randolph would be an all star. That's why they took him. They really didn't need a PG in a draft full of PGs.
good topic. I think that the problem is, there is usually a definite separation between the number one and two pics, meaning, most of the time number one is a CANT miss. in some instances this was not the case, I think the only reason Rose went ahead of Beasley was because Chicago wanted the hometown kid. other than that, everyone wouldve picked Beasley. on that note, I think its easier to pick a Rose yet and still because a great PG or Center with potential for greatness is rare. When Durant was drafted, his talent was undeniable, but the scouts seemed to be more concerned with his thin frame and strength...when it turns out that he has been very durable. I dont remember there being any real concerns about Oden's health at the time he was drafted.
Rebounding comes down to confidence and who wants it more.
If Beasley isn't scoring 20 points, he's going to lag on the defensive end.