Utah Jazz trade ideas
Trade Andrei Kirilenko, Kostas Koufos and 9th Pick
Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince
Why for the Jazz
Gives them lineup of
D-Will, Rip, Prince, Boozer and Memo
Miles, Matthews, Millsap, Fesenko, Price, Korver,
This will turn them into title contender instead of first or 2nd round exits as Rip gives them a shooter that is perfect for Sloan's flex offense, and can also teach the young wings of the Jazz (matthews and miles) and Prince who gives them a low post threat along with his 3pt shot and his tight D. They both have a ring so they know what to expect and how to get the job done.
In western conference Prince will be given assignments of guarding the elite wing positions such as Kobe, Durant, Roy... and matthews coming off the bench to help him out on that.
With this trade they don't give up any future of the team as they don't have to give away matthews or miles, but they take back Rips contract that runs to 2014 at around 11-12 mil per year.
They still don't have inside presence defensively but this unit could take them to another level
Why Pistons would do it?
Well they seem to be stuck in that phase not rebuilding the team, but not good enough of a team to be a contender or even playoff birth. They are trying to get rid of Rips contract as it goes to 2014 and this trade would get rid of that huge contract. So with Kirilenko and Koufos contract both running out after 2011 they oculd have more cap space to sign a max contract guys in 2011 (Melo? or anyone else) to go with their young core. This would open a spot at SG for Ben Gordon to take over and Open up spot at SF for Austin Daye who they like alot along with Jonas Jerebko and Vilanueve.
It's highly unlikely that this deal will happen in offseason without Jazz giving Pistons more, but during next season if the Pistons are doing really bad and have given up they could be lookin to get cap space and Utah could step in and this trade could happen
i thnk detroit would be good with this trade. They need to rebuild and rip and prince are not part of the futre. This trade gives them 2 top 10 picks in this draft and when AK comes off the books they could go after free agents.
How do you think the Jazz will do though?
Detroit would love it, big expiring contract, a top 10 pick and some depth at center
Stuckey - Gordon - AK 47 - Jerebko - Greg Monroe
Bynum - free agaent - Daye - Charlie V - Koufos/Maxiel
they trade down and draft Ekpe Udoh with the other pick
Why "nonononoonono..."? It seems like a trade that makes real sense.
The salaries for Prince and Rip are 12.6 and 11 million respectively and the Jazz aren't going to be under the cap so I don't think the trade works money wise. The Jazz would have to throw in some more salaries.
Plus this would put them over the luxary tax.
J-Will: 14.9 mil
RIP: 12.6 mil
Prince: 11.6 mil
Boozer: Free Agent - (probably 15 mil minimum to re-sign him)
Okur: 9.5 mil
That's $60 million already and you still have 8 more players to pay.
But it would be nice.
Money - that is a horrible trade for the Jazz
Rip 3 more years at over 12 and a half million per.... yuck
Haha I'm sure they would love to do that deal. You fail to take into account, however, that if they were to re-sign Boozer on top of those contracts, their payroll would be about $91 million (estimating Boozer's salary at at least $13m/yr), and that's no including Matthews, Fesenko and Korver. So...probably around $100 million.
Trade works under cap wise because AK is making close to 17 million this year and koufos at 1.5 mil and the draft pick at 9th pick would be close to 2 mil so the trade would work cap wise and salary wouldn't be any bigger then it is this year.
Not to mention Millsap's contract was front loaded (10 mil this year and around 6 mil per year for next three) so they have extra five mil if boozer wants a raise from his old contract (this year at 12.5 mil) that would still work
And Korver is his last year of his contract at 5 mil and if he wants more we can let him walk and Fesenko can be had for cheap (league minimum) and everyone else on the team is still under contract (besdies likes of gaines and jeffers)
Yes we would have to take a bad contract of Rip's but it's not like he doesn't have game. He can still play and thats the price we are going to have to pay to be a title contender.
If anybody thinks that 9th pick is going to be the franchise changer for Utah and lead them into title they are in for rude awakening.
I'm guessing lotta utah fans, unlike me are tired of just winning 50 games or so and coming up short. it's time to take risks and make a title run.
So with that trade Utah's payroll would be
d-will - around 15 mil
Rip - 12.5 mil
Prince - 10 mil (last yr of his contract)
Boozer - 12.5 mil (re sign for say 5 years for around 65-70 mil)
Okur - 10 mil
Matthews - i think he is still under contract for team option for undrafted rookie could be wrong though so league minimum
Miles - 3 mil
Fesenko - Minimum
Millsap - 6 mil
Price - 1.2 mil
Thats closer to 70 mil range
i don't understand why the jazz would make this trade. the team is already a playoff contender. they beat the nuggs on monday without okur and kirilenko. trading a 20 year old center prospect doesn't make sense. there aren't a lot of good college centers anymore with the skills of koufas. trading the 9 pick where you can get a productive 2g for an aging rip hamilton (with a couple more contract years) doesn't make sense. trading kirilenko for prince pretty much screws the jazz out of the contract difference. their games are pretty similar anyways. overall, good trade for the pistons; crap trade for the jazz. no way this would ever go down unless the jazz sign Kiki Vandeweghe to be their new gm.
20 year old center prospect?
lol Fesenko is playin over him... and Koufos is playing 2 min on a team where they needed another post with millsap and fesenko in foul trouble.
so for the 9th pick productive 2 guard say get like henry... why? when thats not our team need. Kirilenko is expendable now with miles coming up same with matthews for defensive reason.
i guess if our team's goal is to get outta the first round then i guess it's ok
and how does trading kirilenko for prince screws them for cap? prince has expiring contract same with kirilenko but kirilenko is 18 mil this year and thats why u make the difference and get Rip.
I like the idea, but I say we wait and see if it is really necessary. I still like Matthews and I think he deserves to start. But if we get Rip, he will most definitely start and it will add to the logjam we had at 2 guard earlier in the season. (Brewer, Miles, Matthews, and Korver) This is why we did the Brewer trade in the first place, to give more minutes to guys like Matthews and Miles who frankly deserve them. Getting Rip, would add defense, a great shooter, we would have a winning team, yes, but it would once take minutes away from Matthews and Miles who in my opinion deserve them.
Now for Prince, I say go for it. Do it. Jazz like Prince, and need his help with AK always being out with injury.
Then again there are 2 small forwards that could fall to the jazz where ever we end up picking come Draft 2010. Remember that 9th pick could be higher. You never know what luck we will get. We could land the 3rd pick and get a guy like Wes Johnson and not have to settle for Prince at all. And teams ahead of us might decide on Johnson or Aminu and one of them drops to us. Once again, drafting one of them is the better option. So once again waiting and see what happens in the draft seems to me like the smarter way to go.
Also there is another need we lack, a shot blocking presence. Look at how many teams take the ball inside and get off an easy shot, and don't have to worry about it being blocked because no one really blocks on the Jazz except for AK, but he is always out with injury, We need another one, if we really want to contend. Look at all the contending teams. Orlando(Dwight Howard) Cleveland (Lebron, Shaq) Lakers (Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Odom) Hawks (Josh Smith, Horford) Nuggets (Nene, Martin, Melo, Birdman) Dallas (Dampier, Haywood) Suns (Lopez, Amare) Celtics (KG, Perkins) Everyone one of those teams has a legitimate shot blocker. Some have more then one. Who do we have, AK (but he is always injured) So teams put up shots with no fear and most of the time they drop. Luckily there are 3 shot blockers that could fall to that Jazz pick(where ever it ends up being). No matter where we end up though, one should fall right into our hands. Cole Aldrich. I think you all know who I am talking about and why we should do all we can to get him. Its either Johnson, Aminu or Aldrich in my opinion. If none of those guys are available then and only then should we trade to get one of them or a more proven player that still has some value left in him. But most likely one of them will be available. Good idea though.
if we move up in draft (highly unlikely) obviously there is no need for the trade to happen.
but say beginnin of the season, and we drafted say like aldrich, patterson or what not
and pistons are tumbling if this trade offer came i think it would be crazy not to do it. If you don't think addition of hamilton and prince will give jazz title run right away you are crazy. and htere is nothing wrong with coming off teh bench for matthews and miles as they'll be assured that they are the future and will still be giving plenty of time during regular season to keep the starters fresh for playoffs
if we were to get prince we almost basically have to take richard hamiltons contract
and as for the inside presence i dont' think we need a shot blocker per se to win championship as it's been done before (bulls in 1990's LOL i'm not comparing any of the Jazz to Jordan or Pippen but i'm just sayin it can be done.) but i def agree with oyu on that we do need inside presence especially defensively (when millsap is leadin the team in blocks at 6'8 generously the 7 footers need to step up)
You have to think in terms of right now. That trade might not be necessary because of the draft. Its better if we wait, and then do the trade if it is necessary. Do I see the jazz trading to get one of their top guys. Yes, most definitely but not until the lottery has happened and we know for sure were we are drafting. Remember the Bulls in 2008? They had the same chance as we do right now at winning the Lottery. And what happened, they won! We can too! Don't count us out until it actually happens.
Your point about not needing an inside presence to win a championship is irrelevant. I mean look who the Bulls had in 1990. MJ and Pippen Possibly the greatest combo in all of basketball. Our closest was Stockton and Malone. But even they had an inside presence.(Ostertag) Yes, a sorry inside presence, but at least it was something. Dwill and Booz could grow into Stockton and Malone, but they need a better inside presence. And besides look at how much time has passed since then. 20 years, 2 decades. The NBA has changed a lot since then. Every team must adapt to the change in order to win. Don't try and go back to past ways of doing it, go to the present and you will have a better chance at winning a championship.
I'd rather have Ben Gordon then Rip Hamilton (if I'm the Jazz). Prince for Kirilenko is pretty much a wash (from a talent perspective).