Do you guys think.... even my lebron haters... that he will eclipse or take over MJ as the greatest player of all time when its all said and done. I say idk yet. maybe, maybe not. I wanna say no, but at the same time, lbj is only 25. and prob is still gettin better
depends on how you look at it. In my honest opinion, I think lebron will be better then MJ. I truly think he will be the best player to have played the game when he retires. But he has two big things working against him:
1-rings. No way will lebron pass jordan without at least 2-3 rings in many peoples eyes. I dont think he has to match 6, but he sure as heck needs more then one.
2-Jordan did it first. Some people will never give lebron that credit of passing jordan no matter what because jordan is a legend.
y u think he will
also, im not saying he is better then jordan now. I respect jordan as the goat. It will take a lot of work for lebron to pass him.
y u think lebron will pass him
i just think lebron is an amazing athlete and his skills keep improving. He's pretty much locked up best in the league at 25 years old. Jordan and kobe are more skilled then lebron, but lebron's physical abilities as well as his mind set of being a complete team player make him special. All we can do is watch and see. And I'll be rooting against him the whole way but giving the man the respect he deserves as well.
A lot of people forget some of Jordan's individual seasons
When Michael Jordan was 25 = 1988-1989 32.5 ppg 8 rpg 8 apg 2.9 spg .8 bpg .538 fg 85 ft
No matter how good a season Lebron had this year, when Michael was the same age his was better
MJ averaged 37 ppg when he was 23, and so on. Lebron is a great player no doubt, and I think as gifted physically as Jordan was things came a little easier to Lebron so I don't think he has that killer work ethic Jordan did. I think Lebron is top 5 when all is said and done, but I don't think he is quite up there with Jordan.
It's possible. He has to have a lot of things happen though... In no particular order:
1. Health - He needs to stay healthy. If he can, he'll definitely pass Jordan statistically. LeBron is amazing due to the fact he came into the league straight out of high school averaging 20, 5 and 5. He's basically done that every year he's been in the league, increasing all of his statistics across the board.
2. Image - People don't say it often, but another reason Jordan is considered to be the greatest in so many people's *minds* is because of the image he presented. He was a man's man. A great player's favorite player. Everything from his logo, shoes, to the way he carried himself, to his commercials... To his bald head. LeBron's image is great, but I'm not sure he's liked as much as MJ was.
3. Rings - LeBron has a lot of rings to win. Jordan has six. I'm not sure LeBron can get six, but I think with the numbers he's putting up... If he can win 3-4, that'll be good enough.
4. Killer instinct - Jordan was known for ripping his opponent's hearts out, especially the last minute of the game. Cleveland has apparently nicknamed LeBron "the closer", which is baffling to me... There's only one player that should be named "the closer" in basketball right now and that's Kobe Bryant. I think LeBron needs more moments like he had when he hit the buzzer beater vs Orlando in the playoffs.
joewolf, i think lebron could have put up those same numbers in the 80's
mayb or mayb not llperz. cuz back in the 80s, players were better man on man defenders, and they had the hand check. but then again, they didnt have zone, and players were not as athltic
Just saying, when you are comparing two players its hard not to look at numbers. When people are comparing Wilt to Shaq who has the 100 point game? Shaq could have probably gotten one too back then, but then again will never know and Wilt is the only one to notch one.
Also if Lebron were born in 1970 he would have had a completely different game. Lebron would have been a power forward.
mwardia, they were more physicl and they did hand check. But no way whatsoever were they better man to man defenders. MOst sf's back then could barely dribble. Think about guys like Adrian Dantley, Larry Bird, James Worthy, Mark Aguirre, Julius Erving, Bernard King. Great athletes that would shoot spot up shots or get out and run or work you in the post. But not great ball handlers. The game back then relied almost entirely on pg's to handle the rock while the other guys came off screens or went to the post. In the last 20 years, the game has evolved to where the sf position requires much more ball handling and ability to create for yourself. The defenders werent defending great ball handlers back then so they just got physical with their man. Lebron would blow right by them if they tried to get up on him.
well, i think they were. but at the same time, we will never know cuz lebron didnt play in the 80's. lebron to me is the greatest athelte in the history of the nba easily
It's kind of unfair to say LeBron would average what Jordan averaged in the 80's. LeBron was born in 1983... Which means he got to watch players like Magic, Bird, Isiah, etc at the tail ends of their careers and a MJ, Pippen, etc in their primes.
LeBron got to model his game after them, not to mention the game/players have evolved since then. Of course if you take the LeBron from now and put him back in the 80's, he'd dominate. How good would he be though if he was born in 1963 and grew up watching the players from the 70's?
It's difficult to say, so you just have to respect players for what they did during their times.
that's true, we just have to give guys props for when they played and how they handled their business when they were in the league. I think Jordan did wonders for the growth of this sport and setting an example and raising the bar for all future players to try and achieve.
do u guys take a 30 yr old kobe or a 30 yr old bron?
Yea... You'd think that a player born after Jordan compared to a player born before, would be A LOT better. Think how good Kobe would be if he did NOT get to watch Jordan... I couldn't imagine. He'd be a completely different player.
I think Kobe at 30 will be better, due to the fact he has a complete offensive game. Kobe has an amazing in between/mid-range game, which is something LeBron just doesn't have. LeBron is either a three or drive to the hole.
As LeBron's athleticism starts to decline, I think he'll be less effective in the scoring department... Unless he improves his post game/in between game.
How Lebron plays when he is 30 is a big question mark. Guys who come stright from highschool and go far in the playoffs and then play in the olympics take a lot of wear and tear on their bodies by the time they are 30. Lebron will not be able to rely on his atheticism as much and his all around post skills and hitting tough fadeaways is not close to kobe's. So that part will be interesting.
i take kobe personally at 30
i hope very much for kobe and lebron to meet in this years finals. David Stern probably has wet dreams about it. SHaq and kobe battling for their 5th ring. Kobe vs Lebron. Best in the east meets best in the west. The only draw back is we would have to see those damn puppets non stop.
And LeBron is a big/heavy dude. 6' 8" - 6' 9" and 250-260 lbs. Look at the way he plays. The wear and tear on his knees is going to be significant. It'll definitely be interesting to see how he adapts his game.
im sorry, but hate the cavs and really dislike lebron. i want a rematch of magic and lakers.
im pulling for the magic too. I really cant bring myself to root for the cavs no matter how much i want to see kobe beat lebron. Plus if lebron did school kobe and watching him hoist the trophy at staples center while shaq calls it his city, just the thouhgt makes me want to drink a gallon of bleach.
Nope... I want to see Cavs vs Lakers. It'd be a shame if those players don't meet up in the Finals on the biggest basketball stage in the world before Kobe is completely removed from his prime.
The only thing I'm not liking is Kobe won't even be 100% healthy. Last season was the season we really should've gotten this matchup. The last thing I want to see is another prime MJ vs old Magic moment in the Finals.
Good point ButlerBulldogs. I have questions about his knees hlding up with his upper body size. He's also a top-heavy guy too, so that does't neccessarily help. But I do think that just like he developed his jumper and defense, he will get a mid-range game, and a post game. I think thepost game will come very soon. He shown flashes this season, and he really worked on it in the preseason games I watched too. It will make him unbelievable if his post game gets truly good.
LeBron will still be a very dominant player after 30 if he can continue to develop his jumper, and, most importantly, work on his post-up game. Like Tezo said, LeBron is a very big man (no homo), and adding a post-up game with a couple of simple moves will add a whole new dimension to his game.
I don't see LeBron ever having a great mid-range/in between game. He just doesn't look comfortable in that area.
He's improved his post game SOMEWHAT, but for his 7th season in the league... He should be better there. I think he's a prime example of how being a freak athlete can hurt you. He's so athletic and strong, that he doesn't need to be as great at a lot of simple things. The problem will be when that freak athleticism leaves him though.
Unlike other talented guys in the past, I find Lebron to be very smart. I see him changing his game as he gets older and his body starts to break down. I don't see Lebron at 32 near the end, I see him adding a new dimension to his game instead, he is too good and too smart to not adjust. As for the comparison to Jordan, I only saw Jordan for the tail end of his career, and I was only 8 after he won #6. Though, what Jordan had that you can tell from the way he played and spoke was he knew he would beat you no matter what. I don't think Lebron has that, I just don't.
Interesting to see what everyone thinks LeBron will be like at 30. Look at T-Mac, Jermaine O'Neal and more recently Kevin Garnett, who came out of HS and had serious problems in their early 30's. LeBron, in my opinion, has to develop that post-game over the years because he will need it, once the explosiveness drops down a gear or two. Look at Kobe, he is superb in the post now. I don't believe LeBron will be judged as better than Jordan, but he will be one of the greatest to have ever played the game.
Right now I see LeBron the same way I see Dwight Howard. Both are young and beyond athletic, and if they want to be the best then they're going to have to really put the time in. LeBron is good, but not good enough to were you can say he can't improve. Every year there's something new people rag on him about. This year it was shooting, few years ago it was he wasn't clutch. When you stop hearing those things each year LeBron will probably be the best, but right now he needs to work.
love lebrons game but he has to lead his team to a nice amount of titles before he even enters the topic of being better then jordan. dont care how good he plays, if he cant lead his team to the big one a couple of times then it isnt even a topic