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Raptors' Pick

Who do you guys have the Raps picking? 

Here's my realistic (pick 13) prospect board for the Raps

1. Cole Aldrich

2. Aminu

3. Ed Davis

4. Hassan Whiteside


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Jan Vesely

As a Raptors fan, I hope they can draft Jan Vesely.

I know a lot of Raptors fans don't want to see yet another Euro player, but Jan Vesely is a defensive hustling player with offensive upside. This kid has the size of a PF and the speed of a SF (to play solid D against SF). He plays for Partizan (the most cost efficient team in Europe). A solid team with the lowest salary in Europe. It has a tradition to develop solid players given the limited financial resource. Partizan was also the first team to beat Ricky Rubio's Barcelona and is currently in Final Four.

Being in Canada, Toronto has disadvantage of retaining American super stars without overpaying, so if all things equal, I would rather the Raptors get a Euro than an American.

My 2nd option would be Hassan Whiteside. He got the highest upside relative to potential draft position. If developed properly, he can be one of the best NBA big men. If I draft this kid, I will immediately go after the Dream for the big man coach position. Let him mentor the kid and get him going both offensively and defensively.

For your selections:
1. Cole Aldrich - solid but don't have the upside of Vesely or Whiteside. I would rather aim for upside. I see him as a taller Nick Collison.
2. Aminu - not likely to be there at #13, but I would take him over Whiteside simply because of his character (apparently a good character kid)
3. Ed Davis - should be a solid player, but his injury concerns me a bit, so I would certainly take Vesely, Whiteside, or even Aldrich over him.

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Re; Vesely

I personally like Vesely a LOT. But honestly, the Raptors have been lacking a good physical Player  down low since Davis Left town. The Raps already have depth on the wing for a couple years. Unless a trade goes down, it's just going to be a huge clog at the wing spots with DeRozan, Turk, Bellinelli, Weems, etc. 

As well, I just plain think Bargnani will become MUCH better on both ends of the court at the 4 spot playing with a banger Down low. Bargnani is more suited for guarding today's 4's rather than 5's. Every time I see Bargnani make a string of decent plays on defense, he seems to have much more confidence on the offensive end. If he starts playing the 4 full time, I think that'll be the norm rather than the exception.

P.S. I've shunned away from Athletic Euro Wing Players ever since.... wait for it.... Yaroslav Korolev. That was a nightmare of a pick. I thought he was going to be good, but he's.... non-existent. I just can't seem to recall an athletic Euro small forward being successful in the NBA since... Detlef Shrempft (sp?). I'm just super wary at this point. That's all 

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Vesely is much better than Korolav when he was drafted...

Vesely is much better than Korolav when he was drafted. Vesely is starting for Partizan, a final four team, at the age of 19/20 in the highest level of euro basketball. Korolav was not playing at the same level when he was drafted. If the Clippers weren't stupid enough to bring him over rightaway and let him develop in Europe for 3 years or so, Korolav would probably be a much better player now.

I can certainly see Vesely becoming a better player if he stays in Europe for another year or two. He's already playing very well there, but he can still further develop.

The problem with the NBA is that they usually do not develop players with fundamental skills. In Europe, fundamental skills are key in developing young players. That's why so many players improved a lot after spending time in Euro league.

You are certainly right that Bargnani would be better off playing PF along side a C with meat. I think it would be great if the Raptors can keep Amir Johnson at a reasonable price and play him at C.

Vesely is more of a SF/PF. I actually think he can be a taller AK47 (AK47 actually played much better when he was a PF). Frankly, I see Vesely (at 6-11) as more of a PF that can play SF.

You mentioned that the Raptors got a lot of wing players in DeRozan, Turk, Bellinelli, Weems, etc. DeRozan would be the SG of the future, so his offseason priority is to improve his 3 point shot. Weems is a great backup SG/SF.

Belinelli is certainly a disappointment, I actually won't consider him the rotation.

Turk? I want him out of town as soon as possible. I would trade him to anyone willing to take his crappy contract (without giving up anything extra picks/young players though). Although I actually think he would play better next year, I wouldn't want to see him next year. The Raptors should start from fresh and get rid of all the old guys. Best case scenario would be packaging him with Bosh and hopefully land a combination of young talent, draft picks and expiring contract.

Build the team around Bargnani, Amir, DeRozan, Weems, and #13.

Lastly, BC has been a big disappointment. Frankly, he didn't make a single move that I would consider great. He made good-to-average moves and he just kept patching the team to please Chris Bosh. All his signings were bad (except for Anthony Parker).

I am not saying this after the fact. I actually saw his moves and thought to myself that BC did ok, but not good enough. At this point, I lost faith in BC to put together a winning team.

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Turk
Turkoglu is not  going anywhere. Everyone can see that he's a CHUCKER. No team is willing to take that on for another 4 years. Not even if they're trying to win a championship.... ESPECIALLY if they're trying to win the title. Turk's going to be a Raptor for another few years... unfortunately for their fans. 
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Amir
I really like the idea of Johnson at the 5. However I'm pretty sure he's unrestricted this year. he's going to see a LOT of interest in the league. Toronto might not be able to keep him.
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I think Toronto needs to

I think Toronto needs to assess their team.

Right now, I believe they will get pieces back for Chris Bosh. Let's say Chicago? I wouldn't allow Chicago to even have Bosh unless Noah is in the deal. Adding Noah would give them a legit 5 for the next 10 seasons.

With the 13th pick- I say pick Ekpe Udoh or if you don't get back a Center for Bosh- Take Hassan Whiteside.

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Turk is not as untradable as most people think...Part 1

1) Hope Orlando Magics failed in the playoff, and consider Wince Harder as a bad fit for their team, and that they would remember all the good things that Turk did to them. Then sent them a trade of Turk + Calderon or Evans+Banks for Wince Harder
Would be great if somehow can get a hand on Marcin Gortat also.

2) Try to trade Turk to Dallas for Erick Dampier or a combination of shorter/smaller contracts. Deep pocket Cuban wouldn't mind taking on contracts as long as he thinks it can improve his team. The way I see it is that if the Mavs failed to hit some clutch shots and lost some game, Cuban may recall Turk being clutch in playoff (although i don't really think so, but that's why BC and Blazers went at Turk last year)

3) Pack Turk / Calderon with Bosh in a S&T to New York. Depending on how the Knicks go with the big FA signing, they may be willing to take on Turk / Calderon for Eddy Chesseburger's contract. If the Knicks get one super star, this deal can allow them to have super star + bosh + turk + whatever supporting casts instead of just super star and Bosh + supporting casts (no more cap space for a 3rd good player). This is obviously assuming Galli is included in a Bosh deal.

4) Trade Turk and filler to San Antonio for Richard Jefferson. Since Richard Jefferson experiment failed so miserably, the Spurs may not mind dumping him for Turk as Turk played for the Spurs before. The window of winning is closing, but they still have Timmy D, Ginobili, and TP, so adding Turk may not be a bad idea.

5) Trade Turk and filler to Utah for AK47. Similar idea as the deal with the Spurs except AK47 showed signs of coming back in the mid of this season.

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Turk is not as untradable as most people think...Part 2

6) Trade Calderon and Turk to Washington for Arenas. This doesn't sound too good for Toronto though as Arenas' contract is even worst, but if Arenas can get back to the super star level, he can revive his career in Toronto (I hope he knows he can't bring guns to Toronto)

7) Pack Turk in a Bosh S&T to New Orleans for Stojakovic and David West + filler
As long as the Raptors is willing to take on more money in this deal, New Orlean might have incentive as they want to cut cost while keeping CP3 happy. Also, CP3 + CB4 can potentially be a big selling point in New Orleans. Although I personally think CB4 is not much much better than David West, I would certainly think CB4 is more appealing in terms of attracting tickets.

8) Trade Turk to Sacramento for Nocioni + fillers
Nocioni wants out and he's a much better fit to the Raptors than Turk. Nocioni is a tough player that plays some D and can shoot 3s. Contract is more manageable. Turk played for Sactown before and Sactown did have interest in Turk earlier.

9) Trade Turk + Calderon to LAC for Baron Davis + filler
LAC doesn't want Baron Davis LAST YEAR and still don't. They may be willing to take on Turk and Calderon as they are smaller contracts. Easier to move. BD may revive his career in Toronto playing in a free style under Jay Triano.

10) Trade Turk to Memphis for some young players (Thabeet, Mayo, Mike Conley). The Griz is looking to make a run starting next season, Turk can be attractive if they are serious in making a run.

I definitely don't want to see a Bosh to Chicago deal. Luol Deng is a bad contract in his own right and Noah would not be included in a deal.

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Philly to Tor

Iggy and Dalembert for Calderon, Turkoglu, Belinelli, and Weems

Philly dumps salary and iggys contract, get a small forward, point guard and shooting guard of the future. i think Turkoglu will be a perfect fit in this system, as perfect as a fat kid and cake.

Toronto gets a present inside and someone better to fit there system

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I would like to see that deal with the 76ers.

Dalembert is a center that plays in the post, a Canadian and an expiring contract and Iggy would be a good fit for the Raptors. I am just not sure why the cash-trapped 76ers would be willing to take on Turk's contract though.

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