not goin pro
I don't see his stock can get any higher than a mid 1st rounder.
Strange. He won a championship, and his draft stock is at it's highest. What more can he achieve? Maybe he just loves college
He can move up next year because this year there are so many fowards, he might go 10-15 next year as apposed to 20- 30 where the money is less
There is actually a good chance he gets into the Top 10 next year. Look at everybody who is leaving this year...hardly any really good players return.
As for his draft stock not being able to improve...that's a myth. If Singler is NPOY, 1st team AA, ACC POY, and/or leads Duke to b2b championships then his stock will soar...and none of that is unrealistic.
We tend to think senior stock can't go up but look at J.J. Redick, Shane Battier, Shelden Williams, and Tyler Hansbrough. All came back and seen their stock soar into the lottery. Kyle's will do the same. I imagine he could go as high as #7 next year like Shane did. Look at the Big Board and he's already ranked ahead of some of the guys projected in year's top 10.
Kyle Singler will never be a lottery pick, and those players you named who's stock allegedly "soared" is a figment of your imagination. NBA scouts have seen enough of Singler to know what he can offer, and that his ceiling is not very high. I don't see him going any higher than 20th this year or next. I think he's more of a late first early second round pick, he can't defend anyone, he is slow and his lateral quickness and overall athleticism is mediocre at best. His game does not translate very well to the NBA.
I find it funny that you think that those guys were a figment of my imagination especially considering that none of the 4 were considered lottery picks before their senior year and yet all ended up in the lottery at the end. Battier was barely considered a 1st round pick at the end of his junior year and ended up in the Top 10.
Kyle is not without his faults. He certainly is not the most athletic, but your thoughts on his defense are totally wrong. Kyle is a very good defender...check the National Title game where he helped shut down Gordon Hayward who is supposed to be so good and a possible lottery pick.
Look at who is left and coming into college basketball this year. You seriously think Kyle wouldn't go higher than 20th next year? Haha, you really don't know much about the draft then. Singler is much better than guys like Terrico White and William Buford. There is a reason that coming out of HS Kyle was ranked higher than guys like Derrick Rose, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, and a ton of others. He is extremely skilled and if he improves his handle then he won't have a problem making an impact in the NBA. He'll never be an all-star but with improvement he'll be a very solid role player and probable starter.
There is NO reason Singler should return if he wants to make sure he's in the NBA. He probably just wants a degree.
"Kyle Singler a probable starter."
In what league?
Check the new 2011 mock draft...who is that at #10...hmm Kyle Singler
The kid can definitely be a starter in the NBA for the right team.
As for the info he received this year it was that he could go anywhere from 15 to 30, and small chance he slips to 2nd round. They weren't going to take that chance as next year there is 0% chance he goes in 2nd and great chance he goes in lottery.
I find it funny everybody that is writing him off and saying he is making a stupid choice coming back. Guys that come back and have extremely successful senior years see their stock go up...it's proven. Right now, Kyle is the favorite for NPOY...you really think his stock won't improve.
Besides winning the NC, it made little sense to come out this year considering 56 other guys had already declared. This year is loaded. Next year is weak. He'll make much more money next year than had he left and been drafted late in the 1st this year.
Hey Butler Boy,
What's your beef With Kyle Singler? Are you still bothered by the fact that you "boy" Hayward got owned and abused by Singler? People in Indiana sure seem faithful to their hometown boys. After four years at Duke Singler will be drafted very high and ready to start for about half of the teams in the NBA. He won't be a star, I guess, but he will be a regular contributor on both sides of the floor right away. He won't be buried on the bench like your boy gordon.
Both Singler and his father stated that he wouldn't leave unless he was hearing that he was a lock to go in the first. His decision shows that the feedback he received wasn't that favorable.
There is not a chance a team would take Singler before Henson. I know that given how this past season went that it is not popular to write, but Henson is far and away the better pro prospect and is probably the most likely returnee to blowup as a sophomore.
If Henson produces as a sophomore then I agree with you, but if he continues his career on the same path then Kyle should definitely go in front of him. John hasn't proven anything in college yet and it's no real lock that he'll produce next year. He has major athleticism, but no strength and very little offensive skills. The only thing he has really shown is shot blocking which can be negated easily by getting into his body.
One thing that really does not help him is that Branden Wright was a similar player, had much more production, and has not accomplished anything in the league. If you do not produce in college then you won't produce in the NBA.
As for more likely to have a break out year...Henson is more likely to show significant improvement in his numbers but when your numbers are that bad and Kyle's are already that good then it is a given. Kyle is much more likely to have the better year though. Henson doesn't have a chance in this planet of winning the NPOY next year while Kyle probably has the best chance in the nation.
Sounds about right, kid must love college and he wants that 2nd ring, good for him i guess( but man do I hate Duke), barring any injuries I think he'll get drafted right around the same spot next year, so no harm done.
A lot of people have declared for the draft this year. The talent pool in next seasons draft is nowhere near as deep. For that reason alone Singler has a chance to improve his stock. He also can improve his FG and 3PT percentages, as well as improve his handles a little. If he does these things, which being in such a potent offense should do as there will be much less focus and pressure on him next year his stock could easily rise to the tail end of the lottery
I don't have anything against Singler. I just don't think he's that good. I thought that before they ever played Butler in the championship game. You keep making this between Singler and Hayward. Is it because I have Butler as my user picture and in my user name? I didn't go to Butler. I grew up going to Butler games though and changed my user picture/name during the tournament. It's not that serious to me... I could honestly care less about the competition of two role players, which is what they'll both most likely be in the NBA.
I think Kyle is much better than Hayward and that showed in the National Title game. Obviously that's not the debate here, but just thought I would throw my two cents out there.
Ultimately, I think Kyle's career will likely follow Matt Harpring's. Just like Harpring, Singler is an excellent college player who will be a very good role player in the NBA. Both provide quality defense, rebounding, and 3-pt shooting.
Matt started over half of his games in the NBA and 95% of them over his first 6 seasons. I think Kyle will probably follow a similar path, have a 10 year career, and be a very good role player. We get wrapped up in guys that are superstars, but it takes solid role players around those guys to succeed in the NBA.