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Utah Jazz Future

Ideas to improve

Sign and Trade Boozer along with C.J Miles and the 9th Pick to Pistons for Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Ben Wallace

or

Sign and Trade Boozer along with 9th pick and Wesley Matthews for Chris Bosh and Sonny Weems

or

Sign and Trade Boozer to Washington for Mike Miller, Javale McGee, 30th Pick and 34th Pick

I understand the cap might not work but find pieces to make it fit.

Any other ideas to make them into a contender?
It's so frustrating as a fan to have a great team but not great enough to be over the top.
Not to mention to be stuck with so many undersize PF with no shotblocker at C position
Inconsistent play for Kirilenko and overall weak Wing position


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I am also a Jazz fan and I

I am also a Jazz fan and I am not liking any of these trades. Here's why
Booz, We had an interesting conference with Booz in March, and we actually progressed and could see the potential of resign him in the offseason. And with that 9th pick we could actually compete come next year.

Matthews, How is he weak? Sloan loves him and he shoots well. 9pts per game as an undrafted rookie, not bad. Why give that up, looks like a solid contributor.

Miles is finally contributing and I am liking his play lately. He's been fairly consistent since March once AK went down. Did you see him against Denver last night? 17pts, and that was no fluke, he's been doing that since mid march. I have been watching the Jazz all year, and Miles finally started contributing around mid march.

Here are my ideas
Yes we need someone to replace AK. Johnson and Aminu are likely to be gone by the 9th pick, so we could pick Patrick Patterson at 9 and then trade him to say the Pistons for Tayshaun Prince. I have heard that the Jazz like Prince and have tried to bring him over before. I think we offered AK for Prince but the Pistons said no. The Pistons have Jerebko, but his natural position is SF. He won't play there as long as Prince is in Detroit. But if Prince goes to Utah then both will be playing where they belong! Both teams get what they need and the trade is pretty fair.

or we draft Aldrich with the 9th pick. Memo is not a true Center, and like you said we need a Shot Blocking presence if we want to compete. Aldrich can be this guy for us. We can then trade Memo for a SF in the offseason. maybe a draft pick, or maybe a polished player that doesn't fit or like the team that he is on.

What do you think of Prince or Aldrich going to the Jazz?

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if you compare the wings of

if you compare the wings of the playoff teams to the Jazz's wing players they would for sure be considered weak. i've watched them play all season too and honestly Matthews was basically made for Sloan's type of offense which is good but he isn't a player that will be a game changer. like you said he is great at D, tough can knock down 3's so yes he would be a keeper since it's his rookie year and all.

Miles and kirilenko if somehow we could combine the two it would great but would still be inconsistent as hell. It's so frustrating to watch them play because they will wow you and just suck the night after. Miles still young so yes he's a keeper and kirilenko for defensive purpose keeper but not at the price we are paying him.

So overall they are weak RIGHT NOW unless u are lookin at potentials of Miles and matthews. and we need a huge upgrade in that position.

So why not trade Boozer for Rip (who i think is the perfect SG for Jazz, can play defense under a system and knock down shooter, doesn't need the ball in his hand) and Prince (who will be our designated defender for all the premier wings around the league)

And if the pistons trade 9th pick for Prince, Joe Dumars will be fired he can get LOT more for Prince then just 9th pick and it wouldn't work under salary cap as Utah is alreay over the cap and can't take any more salary like prince's who is making around 10 mil a year and i believe this will be his last year)

If we are to keep the 9th pick I wouldn't pick either patterson or Aldrich. I would take the risk to draft someone like Whiteside who can turn out like Andrew Bynum and hope for the best. Picking Aldrich and patterson will be like this year just playin for playoffs mediocore team good enough to make the playoff and maybe even division title but not the championship

what do you think?

how can we get better as a team through trades

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i dont like that first trade

i dont like that first trade at all. Rip, Prince and walace are all old and overpaid. The jazz have a young nucleaus with DWill, millsap, miles, mathews and whoever they get with their draft pick. I say let booz walk, i think he is overrated. Use the mid level exception to add a new big man who has length and can block shots. Then wait till AK comes off the books next year i believe and use that money to sign a star to go with DWill. They might not win a title right away, but sacrificing your future for a bunch of old guys doesnt sound lke the recipe to winning a title unless you are talking about superstars which none of those piston guys are.

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Tayshaun Prince 30 Richard

Tayshaun Prince 30
Richard Hamilton 32
Ben Wallace 35

The trade would be for Prince and Hamilton and Wallace is more of a throw in and a need for Jazz (blocker, rebounder likely to be like 4th big man in 4 big rotation)

And like you say if we let Boozer walk without nothing who could we sign for MLE that fits that bill? noone really comes to my mind

and what future do you really believe with the 9th pick matthews and miles and millsap they could be championship team in 5 years? by then Deron will also be in his 30s i believe

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On board with Aldrich

I've been studying the possibilites in the draft for the Jazz picking at No. 9 and I came to the conclusion to draft Cole Aldrich as well (especially now with the Okur injury). I'd love the Monroe kid from Georgetown if he was still on the board, but I expect he'll probably not fall down to the Jazz. I think the team will try to do everything within it's power to resign Boozer, and it appears they would be willing to go into the luxury tax once again to field a competitive team. I think the Jazz will try to unload AK's contract (it's in the final year which makes it attractive to teams looking to clear cap space the following summer). In fact, I don't really see how the Jazz can resign Boozer without trading Kirilenko. Not enough money to go around. It's not really important that the Jazz get anything of value back for AK since the main objective is getting his contract off the books.

Possible rotation next year:

Center: Okur, Aldrich, Fessenko
Forwards: Boozer, Millsap, and Miles
Guards: Williams, Matthews, Price, Korver

Basically, you lose AK...and get back Aldrich. Not exciting maybe, but that's what I would try for if I was GM. I still think if this team were healthy right now, they could have made a deep playoff run.

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JazzinSLC i think that team

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i think that team would have no inside presence defensively to match up with many teams and I'm still not sold on Miles as our future SF.

and health with Okur, Boozer and Kirilenko is a huge question mark all the time it seems

and with that team i can't see them hanging with OKC, Blazers, Nuggets, Lakers, which means it could equal to first round exit.

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I really hope Utah doesn't

I really hope Utah doesn't draft Aldrich with the 9th pick
I can't see him being anything more then Nick Collison and this is probably going to be the highest pick we'll have in a while so i say take a risk and go for the highest potential and hopes it turns out, OR use the pick to grab a proven player.

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mathews and millsap are very

mathews and millsap are very solid. Like I said, if you let Booz walk and you wait a year until Ak's ridiculous contract cmoes off the book, you could add a superstar or a few solid pieces. Patience over panic. ANd a top 10 pick in a deep draft is very valuable. Thanks Isiah.

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Yes very solid but Utah has

Yes very solid but Utah has been very solid for a LONG TIME just never enough to win championship
not saying trade them unless the offer is ridiculous we could package Boozer and the pick to get a star and when kirilenko comes off they sitll won't have enough to sign the all star as they are still well over the cap and with Okur on the board for 12 mil still

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And why not for Bosh and

And why not for Bosh and Weems i don't understand how that doesn't make them better if that deal were to go through

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The Jazz need to resign Boozer...

At all costs. Period. You need three really good players to win a title, and the Jazz have two. They just need to find one more. The whole idea behind drafting Aldrich is to acquire the defensive presence we need in the middle. Aldrich isn't ever going to be an all-star, but the guy is a complete stud. He will have a long productive NBA career. It's alright to gamble on drafting potential when your picking lower in the draft, but when you have a high pick you want to make sure you get a guy who is definitely going to be able to play in the league. Aldrich is a no-brainer.

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i was just looking at utahs

i was just looking at utahs financial situation. After next season, they only have 3 guys under contract(DWill, Millsap and MIles) for a total of 23 million. They will have a ton of money to spend on top of the possibility of adding a top 10 pick this summer and resigninig mathews.

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Chris Bosh is injured an awful lot...

I'm not sure why everyone thinks Bosh is a better player then Boozer. He's just as injury prone, and is also criticized by those in Toronto for only playing offense and no defense. In my mind the two players are a wash. Almost mirror reflections of each other, in their respective conferences.

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I thought Okur just signed a

I thought Okur just signed a two year extension worth around 22 million?

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JazzinSLC So you think that

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So you think that Jazz can win championship with the lineup of

Williams, Matthews, Miles, Boozer, Okur

and Aldrich as top reserve and if they re-sign kirilenko him as well?

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according to the salary page

according to the salary page on hoopshype.com, okur makes about 22 million this year and next but comes off the books after next season. I have never found that site unreliable before with salaries.

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No...like I said before...

AK needs to be dealt in order to have the money needed to resign Boozer. I love the idea of a starting lineup of Willams, Matthews (who is young and will continue to improve), Miles (who is young and will continue to improve), Boozer, and Okur, with Millsap, Korver, and Aldrich coming off the bench. If healthy, that team is capable of another deep playoff run. I just don't think it's time to blow things up quite yet. It's a 50 plus win team, with a SHOT at winning a title because it's still so young.

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yea okur definily signed an

yea okur definily signed an extension for another 22 mil but like you said i'm not sure if it comes off ater 2011 or not. That would be really nice though as Okur keeps disappointing me (injured now out for the entire postseason)

haha and JazzinSLC and you are right but you know just as well as I do as Utah Jazz fan we are spoiled as always getting like 50 plus win team but never enough to be a championship team it seems like hahaha it's just SOOOO frustrating as a fan haha
but i still don't see that lineup as a championship winning team it seems likea team with no length and not much atheleticism up front and not very intiimidating defensive front line

and i guess we both have different opinion about Aldrich, I just rather if they drafted someone with more potential

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and AK does not need to be

and AK does not need to be dealt in order to Re-sign Boozer
they will be just over the luxury line which the Jazz said they are willing to do.
they own his rights they can re sign him to whatever contracts they wish

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Who would you draft Cpoint?

Just for the sake of arguement, let's say the current mock draft here at nba.net is correct and the eight players they have being drafted in front of Utah's pick are all off the board...who would you select, and why? No wrong answer, obviously, just curious as to who you would pick.

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I wouldn't draft Patterson

I wouldn't draft Patterson for sure

If I had the choice I would honestly dangle the pick with boozer to make the team better

But if I had to choose and with the current standing I would take a chance at Hassan Whiteside.
Unproven but great potential and i know there were lots of busts but there were also success like Andrew Bynum
Lakers got burnt when they drafted him even Kobe wasn't happy saying he wanted to leave
but look how that turned out now

Before we found a gem in matthews I also wanted Xavier Henry as I thought he was the perfect to play along with Deron but i think mroe pressing need now is at post position and why not take a gamble in whiteside and hope he ends up being a franchise changer (in a good way obviously) and with the right staff i believe they can turn him into a great pro
while back I also was hoping when DeAndre Jordan was falling that Utah would grab him and they didn't and now he's playing pretty well for the clippers

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and remember this is a free

and remember this is a free pick that we weren't even suppose to have
so it's easier to gamble as we are not a lottery team

and just hope that he'll have more impact then hasheem thabeet hahaha

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That's my fear about Whiteside...

That he might be his years Thabeet...and it scares me to death as a Jazz fan if they take a chance on him. I think Patterson is another undersized four man like Millsap, but since we already have Paul, his selection wouldn't make much sense. I'm not sure what to make of Xavier Henry. Would he really be that much better then Matthews? I tend not to think so. Ed Davis is a real wild card. The kid has ability. In fact, he might end up possibly being a better player then Favors down the road. More then one mock draft has compared him to Al Horford of the Hawks. I agree the Jazz will either look to move up in the draft, or trade the pick for an established player already in the league, which might actually make the most sense. You know there going to get a number of offers from teams wanting the No. 9 pick.

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Yes i agree it's a chance

Yes i agree it's a chance right if he turns out to be a real nice pro then it's amazing addition to our team
but if he sucks then that was just a free draft pick wasted sad, but not crushin to the jazz

tahts why i think in the position they are in they should trade the draft pick or somehow try to move up in the draft i believe
and patterson is def. no to the jazz i don't know how nbadraft.net could mock him to come to the jazz

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Short of giving up D-Will..

Short of giving up D-Will, I would do anything to draft Evan Turner. I think he's going to be a star. A Brandon Roy type. The Jazz would arguably have the best backcourt in the NBA with Williams and Turner. We can be allowed to dream, right? LOL

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hahaha yea i was thinkin of

hahaha yea i was thinkin of that too when knicks are sucking and had the top 5 choices and then they somehow won some games and now we are stuck with 9th pick hahh
i like wesley johnson too he's really versatile and could be like mini shawn marion type who would be good for this team

what are u r thoughts on cousins for Jazz? he could be a force down low i think but i dunno how he'll fit with jazz

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Miles is backing up Matthews

Miles is backing up Matthews at the SG next year, and we draft a SF to replace AK, who is always with injuries. If a SF is not available when we are up then we select Patrick Patterson and trade him for a SF. Maybe Prince, Green, Nocioni, Johnson, Aminu (where ever those two end up going), Thornton(wizards).

Our lineup for next year
Okur
Booz(must resign him in the offseason and yes it is possible. JazzinSLC could not have said it better)
SF(see above)
Matthews
Dwill
With Price, Miles, AK(maybe a different SF via trades, see above), Millsap, Fez, Gaines, Jeffers.
Korver walks his services are no longer needed.

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I like a lot of the ideas on this board,

but I think the real answer is that it depends where the Jazz end up drafting. Since the Clippers won the tiebraker, we know that the Jazz will most likely be picking 9th, but still have a 7.85% chance of moving into the top 3. Obviously that's not as high as I'd like, but still it's a chance.

Let's say that the Jazz get the third overall pick.... I think that really changes everything. Then, you're either going to get Turner or Cousins; each of which could dramatically effect the future of the team.

What if they get #1? I know, it's not likely, but there's still a 2.2% chance. Then, if NJ falls to 4th, wouldn't they be willing to give you there #4 pick and Brook Lopez? Wouldn't Brook Lopez and either Derrick Favors or Cousins make Booz dispensible?

Now, if the Jazz pick at #9, then there are lots of possibilities. I'd like to think that the Jazz can figure out a way to use these teams with tons of cap space. For example, if the nets pick 4th, would they be willing to take Millsap and #9 for the #4 pick? Under the CBA they could absorb Sap's contract because they have salary cap space. Then with the #4 you pick either Cousins or Favors.

Lastly, and most likely, the Jazz will get and hold their #9 pick and get the best available player. Some people are making it sound like these Mocks will be perfect and there will be no change in draft prospect value before the draft... but there always is! 2 years ago I really thought Brook Lopez was going to be a stud. Jay Bilas though he was the #3 player in the draft, and it was predicted he'd go anywhere from #3 to #8... and he went 10th! After the likes of Joe Alexander and DJ Augustin. Why? Because some teams made players promises and some teams don't think a better player will be the right fit. I know this sounds crazy, but if Favors or Cousins has a couple of bad work outs, either of those guys really could fall as far as #9. So could Wesley Johnson or Greg Monroe.

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Wall and Turner...

Wall and Turner seem like the only sure bets in this draft. I think Cousins and Johnson will be solid pros as well (the former only if he doesn't ruin his career being a knuckle head). Everyone else comes with a great many question marks, and is far from a sure thing. The Jazz might be best served to trade the pick for an established player already in the league (either a center, small forward, or shooting guard). It would also show D-Will that we want to compete for a title now, increasing the odds of his wanting to resign with the team after his current deal is up.

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