Why does every recruit want to play for Calipari. No matter where he goes they follow. John Calipari got Rose the #3 player in 2007 (rivals), he got the #6 player in 2008 in Tyreke Evans (rivals), he got the top 2 last year Wall and Cousins(rivals), #1 this year in Brandon Knight (rivals) and 5 more top 25 players still considering (not counting Enes Kanter), and he already has the #1 player next year in Michael Gilchrist. I understand he is a good coach, but why don't they look at other great colleges. Boeheim, Izzo, Huggins, and many other great coaches are have success and never bring in those one and done players that are ranked top 5 in their class. They do well without those types of players so just imagine what they could do with those John Walls, Derrick Roses, and Tyreke Evans type players. What makes Calipari better than Boeheim Izzo and Huggins. (I also think Roy Williams and Coach K are like Calipari with their recruiting classes but thats a different topic)
Calipari is a great recruiter, but an average coach. The offense he runs if successful the player can then be successful in the nba, very free flowing and players like that. The other coaches you mentioned are much more about team ball, and recruits who have plans to play professionally want to do as much as they can to display the talents they have.
John Calipari is the only coach you named that actually coached in the NBA.
He has the cred. He tells these guys that he coached in the NBA...He is a good coach.
How is he a average coach?
I have to disagree. He took a Memphis team he built with mostly 2star and 3star recruits to the NCAA title.
The NBA thing does help, but that does not make him a good coach because if he had average players I can guarantee you he won't do to well probably be above average at best.
Of Course if he had average players, he would look average.
Yeah, but a good coach can take average players and make them a great team. Ask Tom Izzo, Bob Knight, your boy coach K.
Tom Izzo gets high level recruits
Bob Knight....different era but your right
Coach K? Disagee. He won most of his games when he had high level recruits. Even this title team had 6-7 HS All Americans
i think knicksfan hit the nba style of offense. Plus he probably has a lot of connections and there are probably people behind the scenes we know nothing about talkign to these palyers about playing for calipari. He wasnt very good as a nba coach. The nets did not do well and he was the man behind passing up kobe brynat in the draft in favor of kerry kittles because he said he needed a sg who could play right away. He also got in to a lot of trouble for some racist comments he made about mexicans that helped get him fired.
The whole thing with the Kobe thing was also Sonny Vaccaro (head of adidas or nike at the time) said to the nets that Kobe would not play there, so they got scared and didn't draft him. Calipari is a guy I would want as my lead scout/recruiter, but not coaching my sidelines would never happen, but my point is that he is better at finding talent than coaching it. I wish I could go back in time and let John Chaney beat up Calipari.
I think Calipari is only a decent coach. He brings in high level athletes that fit his system, but they are mostly just great prospects off the bat and not players that he has coached into becoming better. I think that there are a good deal of better COACHES than him, but not really anyone is a better recruiter right now
john cheny was an ass also. I dont like calipari, but i like cheney less.
"beat up", didn't Chaney say he'd kill him?
yes, but I don't think Chaney would have been able to kill him. I like Chaney very good coach who could coach players up well. Maybe not the greatest person, but not everyone is.
yeah, chaney was mad at cal for "manipulating the refs" whatever that means and was threatening to kill him and had to be restrained by security. He also was suspended his next to last season at temple for sending in a bench player to intentionally foul the other team hard. And one of the kids on the other team broke his arm and was out for the year, and afterwards chaney didnt even appologize and said he has no problems sending in his "goons" to take care of business if the oficials miss calls. Dude has zero respect from me and failed miserably to set an example to those "goons"/kids who played for him.
llperez, I am pretty sure that after that incident Chaney went to see the kid on St. Joes that got hurt and formally apologized to him.
yeah he did, but not immediately. It was after the game that he should had stepped up right away and instead he waited until later when the press was railing him over it. Point is it should have never happened in the ifrst place.
That's true it never should have happened.Though, he did address it, later than we the public would have liked, but never to late to address an issue.
well it started out with him being a former nba coach and saying he knew what it took. Then when his recruits went pro and did well (2 rookie of the years in a row) players took notice that he isn't just saying that.
Recruits see what Rose and Evans have done and that's why the go there cause they think they can do the same thing
Its definitly the system that Calipari runs...its really PG friendly. And as long as top PG's keep going there and getting drafted high, the top PG's are going to keep going there.
Another thing is that he doesnt have a problem recruiting 1 and dones where Boeheim, Izzo, K do not recruit 1 and dones alot.
They kids he recruits are going there for one year and then their done. They all know that Calipari is going to get them ready for the NBA. I'm pretty sure they don't go there with the intent to win the NCAA tournament, if they do, that's just icy on the cake. The other coaches they recruit talent and build a team on players they believe will commit and go after a one a done to help them win. I think that is what Calipari needs to do to win a National title. He needs to stop going after so many one and dones and also get the players who's are good enough to last 3 years before going to pro as a base to win. Same think goes for Texas coach Barnes. Gets top talent but no based to support the stars.
I think knicksfan7, llperez22, and tonyl33 all made excellent observations on Calipari. Everyone knows he has a great recruiting team in place, but the type of talent he recruits, "One and Done" players, doesn't allow a coach to build the kind of long term program where juniors and seniors are role models and provide leadership for the freshmen.
As I said in another thread on college coaches, about 50% of their job is recruiting. The balance is leadership, organization, and motivation.
I also agree with the comments on Chaney, who was a terrible role model on the court. I'm sure he had good qualities off the court just like Bobby Knight did, but Chaney also reminded me a lot of Bobby Knight on the sidelines. And that on the court comparison with all of the childish behavior wasn't a good thing.
Before we call Calipari a great recruiter, we should keep in mind that recruiting is a two-way street. It isn't all about bringing guys in; it also involves keeping players. Guys like Wall, Evans, Rose, and Cousins are obvious candidates to leave school early, but Orton and Bledsoe?
Good observation OJJ. But lets get something straight, some of these guys that he recruits, would be one and dones at many other schools besides the one he coaches. These are highly rated guys, who in most cases are projected as lottery picks or higher prior to even stepping on campus. Even if those guys have marginal years from what was expected, most likely they're still gonna be drafted pretty high.
Some might say "oh, what about Bledsoe and Orton, he developed them into one and dones." My response to that is that has to do more with just hype and team success than it is his abilities to coach'em up or whatever. Bledsoe is ill-equipped right now to be a point guard right now in the league. I really think there's nothing holding him back from being a second rounder right now, besides hype. But I think when it comes down to it, the actual draft, if guys like Blair, Arenas, Sam Young and many others could slip into the second round, don't think its impossible. Every year someone falls. As far as Orton, 3pts, 3rbs. That's all I'll say.